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lisamariewillbe

Being pushed into experience...

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As you all can see , I have 5 jumps, very unexperienced. Although Ive heard from four instructors that I am a natural and will do very well blah blah blah in this sport, I have recentley been having feelings of people giving me more credit then I deserve. I am still in AFF, yet I have several people that I meet at DZs already making plans for as soon as I get off Student status, ie, rodeos, pass kisses, RW and even a few who think I should get into free flying as soon as possible. I have no problem with the pass kiss and maybe two ways, for the other offers I always say "right now I am satisfied with the belly to earth and dont think my skills will be there with 10 jumps but thanks anyways" I always get the same reaction, ie "no your gonna want to do this or that or you need to pony up" Am I wrong in thinking that I am not going to be experienced enough for some of these actions? I still get nervous for my instructor having to be in the air with such a newbie. Any advice or opinions are appreciated.
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I suffered from the same affliction when I was still on student status... (I remember many conversations where people would tell me they thought I had more jumps then I did...)

Just remember that you know what you're comfortable with and you need to stick to that...

I've sat out on several jumps because I just wasn't comfortable doing them... and there's nothing wrong with that... I remember sitting out on a 3 way when I had about 40-50 jumps and the other two had about the same +- 10... cause it was just asking for trouble...

btw: I still haven't done any FF jumps... ;) and don't plan to until I have at least 200 RW jumps... B|... My friends either accept that I'm going to do that or they move on... that's all there is to it.
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Ill admit ,I do have a muscle memory without actually realizing it, but it scares me that people would risk themselves by wanting to jump with me. I also dont want to get in a pissing contest, one person actually is hurt because he thinks I just dont want to jump with him.
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Please don't take offense to this but... without having seen you... and from only the text you've written above... I can tell one key thing about you:

You're a hot chick, aren't you?

Take the compliment and take the help where and when you want it. If you feel you're too inexperienced for any jump, don't do it. If you're not comfortable with the safety of whatever is on the table say so.

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Although at a new DZ a male newbie was shown a pic of the landing area and I got a golf cart ride to all the obsticles and shown all the outs, my tour was 30 mins, his was 10 seconds... but I think it was more that Im a student and he had about 50 jumps...
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that sucks... I just did my 100th a week ago... and someone decided not to jump with me because he wasn't comfortable doing the jump. I didn't even notice it and wouldn't have thought anything of it... if he hadn't of appologized later for backing out of the jump. I told him that I didn't have a problem with it and "That he must be comfortable that he will be safe."

IMHO: this sounds like the other persons problem not yours...
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This sounds like the classic problem that young women run into with some skydiving instructors. The instructor is more interested in getting into your pants than doing their job. If someone is asking you to go on a skydiving that you don’t feel comfortable with don’t do it. Your safety may not be as high a priority for them as hooking up with you.

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I wouldnt go that far, more simple, plain...

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Ummmm..... You ARE a hot chick ;)

It depends on the DZ you go to, but at my DZ other jumpers, coaches, LOs, etc will LINE UP to jump with low-timers. I have never had a problem getting on a load with other jumpers (and I am not even a chick, hot or otherwise). Enjoy it, have fun, don't let anyone else force you to go beyond what you are comfortable with.

And there is NOTHING wrong with RW!

~Droid

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As an attractive woman, you will get invited on a lot of jumps that will be beyond your experience level. Tell them "No" as politely as you can. I've seen too many people drug into something way over their head, and it's ususally a very pretty girl that it's happening to. With that said, if you get asked on a lot of 2 ways and small jumps by very experienced jumpers, that is great. You will learn a lot of good skydiving fast. Just make sure they keep it at your comfort level. Learn to beg off a load if the orignal "2-3 way" grows into a 10 way trash load. :)

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it scares me that people would risk themselves by wanting to jump with me.



Besides the hot chick angle already mentioned, there are other good reasons why people would want to jump with you.

Jumping with new A license holders is fun; the flying can be challenging, watching a novice progress and being a part of that progression is gratifying.

Wanting to jump with you could also be a way of showing you that you've become a part of the dz family - they hope that by asking you to jump with them you will feel welcomed.

And finally, if no one jumps with you, how are you going to learn?

Right now you can't jump with anyone but instructors. So when someone says "let's jump together when you get your A", say "I'd love to!" You will likely be ready to try new stuff when you have the jumps required for other jumpers to play in the sky with you - and if you don't, deal with it then.

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Thanks all, also is there kind of a standard on what is deemed safe...ie should skill levels be equal or what should the min skill level be for 2 ways and such...

yes simple lol,

the only thing worse then feeling pushed into experience is when someone on purpose farts as they exit before me UGH ... HE knows who he is ...
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I have definitly been accepted into the DZ families, which is probley the best aspect of the sport.

No one has mentioned waiting for me to get my A, more helping me get my A, and not all are instructors. @ want to be on my 1st jump off student status and Im glad that that is regulated and my instructor has told them NO... That made my job easier

I cant wait to be skilled enough to jump with others, I just feel that people are putting themselves at risk by meaning they would really jump with me at such a low jump number. I cant picture me going beyond my skill, hell as long as Im in the sky Ill stay in AFF if it werent so expensive...

pull...Ive done that, it was fun hehehhee
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Just a couple things.

1 - Don't go freeflying until you feel absolutely comfortable on your belly. First, you need to be safe. Second, you might like it. I like jumpers that take the time to learn all the disciplines they can. One-discipline wonders by definition just don't know what they are missing and have a terribly uninformed bias.

2 - Don't just reject anything bigger than a 2 way right off. Consider the people you could jump with. If a group of 3 very talented people ask you come along, you are probably more safe and will learn more than jumping a 2-way with another newbie. They are offering you a great experience - take it and use your caution to make sure that the flying they are asking you to do is simple and in your range (small turns, inward facing, etc). If 3 other newbies ask you to do a 4-way, then you are making the right decision and should stick with 2-ways at this point.

In the end, it's your choice to jump they way you need to. Stick to your guns and just be open to offers. Listen, and then decide. You'll find your place.

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Where is the line of experience? Hundreds , thousands? Ive had anywhere from 25 jumps all the way to 15000 now of course if you have over 10000 you can bet your ass Ill jump with you, but what is the mark of experience? Should I ask the amount of cutaways they have had? What do I need to know?
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I'm not sure that is an easy question to answer... someone with appropiate experience isn't as likely to take you on a dive that you won't be cofortable on...

Assuming that they're motivations are in the right place.

I think the key is to never be afraid to sit out on a jump if you aren't comfortable... (this is the advice from a newbie... cause I only have a hundred jumps...)
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I have recentley been having feelings of people giving me more credit then I deserve. I am still in AFF, yet I have several people that I meet at DZs already making plans for as soon as I get off Student status, ie, rodeos, pass kisses, RW and even a few who think I should get into free flying as soon as possible.



I have bad news for you....According to your pictures you are cute. Sorry, I tried to break that to you the easiest way I could.:P

Now that brings both good and bad. The good is...Well at least you are not ugly, and all the money you would have to spend on cosmetic surgery can be blown on skydiving. It also means that you are going to get more attention at the DZ than an ugly girl, or any guy. The bad? Well you will be hounded by horny adrenaline hopped up jumpers. (May be good if you like that kinda thing)

Being a hot chick on a DZ means you will never have to jump alone. It also means that well meaning horny adrenaline hopped up young studs are gonna try their best to make you happy and maybe get to be your "special friend". This means they will try to help you and try to "be there" for you.

It means that while they try to score points in the hopes of getting to do the horizontal bop with you they will put you into dives that you might not be safe on, or you might not feel safe on.

The simple answer is either:

1. Get fat and ugly really quick. Maybe start eating deep fried twinkies for every meal...That will do wonders for your waist size and complexion.

2. Never go on a dive you don't feel good about no matter how much the "young stud" tells you that you will be fine.

#1 is bad for your health, #2 is good for your health.

If they insist you could try:

1. Telling them that you will not jump with them, but sleeping with them is not out of the question.

2. Thanks, but you repulse me. I would not sleep with you if you were the last skydiver on earth.....Wanna still jump with me?

Instead, I would just use your brain, and not let anyone get you over your head.

Hope this helped....Or at least made someone laugh.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Very much helped, and very much made me laugh, okay guys stop with the cute hot girl stuff, I will have a ego the size of a tandem canopy by end of today. The only thing worse then being fat and ugly is being pretty and cocky about it.

Fried Twinkies...they make those here... for real... and deep fried pickles... YUM
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Very much helped, and very much made me laugh, okay guys stop with the cute hot girl stuff, I will have a ego the size of a tandem canopy by end of today. The only thing worse then being fat and ugly is being pretty and cocky about it.



There went your one last hope. You could have been a stuck up bitch....But no....You have to have a sense of humor and be modest.

Well you are screwed. Good luck.

Oh, another idea...Mention a few times next weekend how you LAST trip to the VD clinic didn't go so well. A few guys are still not gonna stop, but at least you will know they are the ones to REALLY avoid;)
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Hmmm so I should let them know about me having the clap? Is that what it is called? Or better yet, I can tell people that in the attempt to save me from unpure thoughts I was completley sewn shut when I turned 18? Hows that ?
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Where is the line of experience? Hundreds , thousands? Ive had anywhere from 25 jumps all the way to 15000 now of course if you have over 10000 you can bet your ass Ill jump with you, but what is the mark of experience? Should I ask the amount of cutaways they have had? What do I need to know?



Eventually you'll know who are safe and who are "those guys doing 6 ways who barely know where each other are at breakoff." You know, the "at least we had fun" crowd".

In the meantime, is there anyone there that you trust to take advice from? - "Hey, Bill, Ron and 2 of his teammates want to take me on my first 4-way." "Well, you might want to accept but offer to split it into two 2-ways. Also, watch out for Ron - he's still waiting on test results from his Jamaican vacation."

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Well Glenn Bangs, but with him being in Cross Keys we havent been able to talk to much,

So thats where I got it from jeesh Ron wait until the test results come back before attacking me next time...
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Where is the line of experience? Hundreds , thousands? Ive had anywhere from 25 jumps all the way to 15000 now of course if you have over 10000 you can bet your ass Ill jump with you, but what is the mark of experience? Should I ask the amount of cutaways they have had? What do I need to know?



Depends entirely on what you're doing. A 2 way belly requires much much less skill than a 10 way freefly with half the party going head down.

What do you want to do in the next 50 jumps? Get some RW skills so you can fly well in that position? Then study up on it, learn what's dangerous about it, how people get hurt, and make your decisions based on that small area. When you start to freefly, again read up, ask questions learn how people get hurt doing it and make your call based on that. Understand the situation you're going to put yourself in, objectively evaluate your skills, judge the other person(do you know them and their skills?) then make a call based on that. The 25 jump guy might be fine for a 2 way RW if you understand how he could try to kill you and you know you can get out of those situations.

It's not just cute chicks that get asked into situations over their head. I was in a 3 way freefly that became a 5 way, then a 6 way when I had only ever done 2 ways and maybe one 3 way. So I backed out. Pick a jump discipline, learn all you can about it, start small and slowly build up.

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