Holy War?????

[Darius11 12]

Holy war is a war for your beliefs against someone else’s belief. Is a war for something you value.
What if you have no beliefs? What if you have no religion?
Lets say the only thing that you do value is money. Your only belief is money is your key to happiness and the most important thing in your life or at least one of the more important things. Your decisions are made always regarding how much money you can make.

So as a capitalistic government when/if we start a war simply for the reason of money is that a holy war of some sort?


What’s the difference in killing for god or killing because you will make a better profit or need to help the economy?

Witch is worst and why?

I don’t know the answer just trying to get input from everyone. The rights lefts in-betweens whomever.


I live in a dream world where we can do with out War.
I always see War as a last result holy or unholy doesn't matter.
You do not start a war unless someone has invaded you or attacked you.
My .02

I think a war for money is worst. Simply because i can not put dollar value on human life.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Ron 10]

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So as a capitalistic government when/if we start a war simply for the reason of money is that a holy war of some sort?

No.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Darius11 12]

Do you feel it is more justified or less justified if the reasoning behind a war is money and not a belief?

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Ron 10]

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Do you feel it is more justified or less justified if the reasoning behind a war is money and not a belief?

I don't think that either is a "better" reason than the other.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[dorbie 0]

Does it take two to declare a Holy War?

I think there was a holy war in progress several years before America ever fired a shot.

[Guest]

"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato

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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[crozby 0]

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***Do you feel it is more justified or less justified if the reasoning behind a war is money and not a belief?

I don't think that either is a "better" reason than the other.

I think fighting for belief is more noble than fighting for money.

There is something honorable about fighting to protect your nation and it's people, whereas there is nothing noble or honorable about being a mercinary IMO.

[Ron 10]

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Do you feel it is more justified or less justified if the reasoning behind a war is money and not a belief?

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I think fighting for belief is more noble than fighting for money.

There is something honorable about fighting to protect your nation and it's people, whereas there is nothing noble or honorable about being a mercinary IMO.

"Protect" is different than starting a war.

There were two options given; Money or Belief.

Between those, one is not better than the other.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[billvon 2,998]

>I think fighting for belief is more noble than fighting for money.

In most wars, both sides convince their troops that their fight is the most noble, most honorable and most self-sacrificing thing they can do. It's one way to get people to march to their deaths. Thus you will (almost) never hear anyone describe their fight as anything other than self-defense.

[dorbie 0]

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Thus you will (almost) never hear anyone describe their fight as anything other than self-defense.

That's just not true. The British army kicked ass for the Empire in campaigns that were flagrantly financial. They sailed gunboats loaded with marines up the Yangtze, pillaged their treasury and forced China to buy opium the Brits grew in India.

Napoleon made no pretense of defense, except when it really was, he was all about conquest for the glory of France.

The Spanish in south America was a gold rush (and spreading the word to a much lesser extent).

Hitler was all about racial destiny & territory even after Chamberlin tried to appease and let him keep his spoils thus far.

[billvon 2,998]

>The British army kicked ass for the Empire in campaigns that were flagrantly financial.

And I'm sure their commanders told their men they were fighting to protect England from economic terrorism, or to protect their manifest destiny from the heathen Indians. We tell our soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq such things. This isn't some campaign of disinformation; people fight better when they think they are fighting for freedom, justice, defense of their families etc.

[beowulf 1]

Maybe I am wrong, but I think that Al Qaeda and all the other affiliates are fighting the US mostly to keep them from influencing their respective countries with western thinking. So their "Holy War" is really a war on change. They really want all Muslims to fit their definition of what a true Muslim should be. So in the end Al Qaeda and their affiliates are really doomed, there is no way to stop change and they will never make every Muslim fit their definition. Even if they did force the US out of all Muslim countries then they would end up fighting amongst themselves over what a true Muslim is. Endless war.

Is endless war justified?

[dorbie 0]

Nope, it was for the Queen or King and Empire. Empire not being a dirty word back then. Now if Bush said we're in Iraq for "Empire" you'd be jumping up and down saying "see I told you so", not trying to explain how Empire is really a synonym for defense. So I'm sure you now agree that it had nothing to do with defense and everyone knew it.

And nobody could claim that the Conquistadors weren't after gold and a bit of proselytizing.

Hitler cited German destiny I mean he didn't stop at the Rhineland, Austria or the Sudetenland, when it was all handed to him, not much to do with defense when he invaded Poland, in fact it was the opposite.

And Napoleonic exploits were equally Imperial, he did declare himself an Emperor afterall.

[JohnRich 4]

News headline:

"BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Car bombs struck two Shiite Muslim areas Monday in Iraq, killing at least 12 people and wounding more than 130 at a Baghdad restaurant and a mosque south of the capital."

Boy, it sure is a good thing they're killing their own people for the sake of religion, rather than money. If they were doing it for money, then it would really be horrible!

P.S. If you hate America so much, what the heck are you doing here in this evil country? Doesn't that make you complicit in America's "crimes" against the Muslim world?

[beowulf 1]

This "Holy War" is really just a symptom of the division with in the Muslim religion. The US is the only thing that unites them in any way. Common enemy. It is easy to hate the big boy on the block.

[rehmwa 2]

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News headline:

"BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Car bombs struck two Shiite Muslim areas Monday in Iraq, killing at least 12 people and wounding more than 130 at a Baghdad restaurant and a mosque south of the capital."

Boy, it sure is a good thing they're killing their own people for the sake of religion, rather than money. If they were doing it for money, then it would really be horrible!

P.S. If you hate America so much, what the heck are you doing here in this evil country? Doesn't that make you complicit in America's "crimes" against the Muslim world?

That post would have been just as sarcastic without the post script.

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[Darius11 12]

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News headline:

"BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Car bombs struck two Shiite Muslim areas Monday in Iraq, killing at least 12 people and wounding more than 130 at a Baghdad restaurant and a mosque south of the capital."

Boy, it sure is a good thing they're killing their own people for the sake of religion, rather than money. If they were doing it for money, then it would really be horrible!

P.S. If you hate America so much, what the heck are you doing here in this evil country? Doesn't that make you complicit in America's "crimes" against the Muslim world?

I have a challenge for you.


How about you making a post that has some relevant information.

You can go head and think what you want about my love or hate for this country.
In my world you and people like you don’t matter.


There is no reasoning with hate.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[christelsabine 1]

P.S. If you hate America so much, what the heck are you doing here in this evil country? Doesn't that make you complicit in America's "crimes" against the Muslim world?

[JohnRich 4]

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In my world you and people like you don’t matter.

Yeah, I know, we're all infidels, and the only good infidel is a dead infidel.

You assumed the only reason for the war is 1) religion, and; 2) profit.

You left out a couple of others in your love for your fellow man:

The desire to see 50 million Muslims live free from tyranny, and to make the world a safer place.

Gee, I don't know how you could have missed that motive, with all that love you have for America.

News:
BAGHDAD, May 23 -- A Kurdish official escaped a carbomb attack on his convoy in northern Iraq on Monday, but five people were killed in the attack. Muhammed Jigareti, a senior official of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), survived the blast, but about 18 others were wounded. Insurgents have mounted attacks on senior government officials since a new government was announced in late April, killing more than 550 people.

How come we haven't heard you condemn any of these daily massacres by Muslims against other Muslims? Are Sadam's underwear more heinous to you then these mass murders, by your own people, of your own people?

[JohnRich 4]

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You are wrong, JohnRich. From Darius' post I read until today, I was able to learn that he loves his country and is happy to live there.

It's not your place to say what Darius believes.

Even if he does love America, I wonder why he never has anything good to say about it here. I would think that freeing 50 million of his fellow Muslims from tyranny would be worth a little; "Thanks, America".

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Your post seems to be extremely unkind, inpolite and sounds agressive.

So?

When someone accuses America of starting wars for mere profit, he deserves an unkind, impolite and aggressive response. You reap what you sow.

[billvon 2,998]

>How come we haven't heard you condemn any of these daily
>massacres by Muslims against other Muslims?

Nor have we heard you condemn the latest tortures/homicides by US interrogators. Does that mean you support torture?

[philh 0]

A religious war is a war fought between two armies as to who has the best imaginary friend.

[beowulf 1]

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A religious war is a war fought between two armies as to who has the best imaginary friend.

That about sums it up

[Frenchy68 0]

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The desire to see 50 million Muslims live free from tyranny

Rats!
Can we at least make sure the Iraqi Jews and Iraqi Christians still get persecuted?

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

[skydyvr 0]

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>How come we haven't heard you condemn any of these daily
>massacres by Muslims against other Muslims?

Nor have we heard you condemn the latest tortures/homicides by US interrogators. Does that mean you support torture?

Comparing "the latest tortures/homicides by US interrogators" and the "daily massacres by Muslims against other Muslims" is ridiculously invalid on several levels, most especially in sheer volume of death/torture rendered. Completely ridiculous.

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