dorbie 0
QuoteYes I am shocked by the results so far. I thought there would be a numbers would be higher for the "hard core liberal".
even the liberals don't want to be called liberal, you can't blame them........
rehmwa 2
Thanks, I'd not read that poem before. it seems to say
1 - a thief steals regardless of his "professed" beliefs and in the end it's an idiotic and pointless act
2 - redistribution of wealth will have no real long term effect other than creating new classes which then are subject to scorn and resentment, or at least negative attention
yada yada yada but at least he gets to camp and play with arrows
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
1 - a thief steals regardless of his "professed" beliefs and in the end it's an idiotic and pointless act
2 - redistribution of wealth will have no real long term effect other than creating new classes which then are subject to scorn and resentment, or at least negative attention
yada yada yada but at least he gets to camp and play with arrows
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
tmontana 0
QuoteDogs and cats on the other hand are carnivores, which means that other carnivores should NEVER eat them.
Just curious where you got that from? Although its true that carnivores usually eat herbivores or omnivores, they still do eat other carnivores. Hence the terms 1st order and 2nd order carnivore.
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin
billvon 2,991
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>even the liberals don't want to be called liberal, you can't blame them........
I'm a liberal (by the dictionary definition, not yours) and proud of it. We'd have a lot fewer problems, IMO, if more people could take a liberal view of things.
I'm a liberal (by the dictionary definition, not yours) and proud of it. We'd have a lot fewer problems, IMO, if more people could take a liberal view of things.
wmw999 2,445
Well, when you look at the number of people who said they were hard core conservatives, maybe, just maybe, a moderate liberal looks pretty doggone hard-core liberal to them?
After all, from where I stand, 6'1" is pretty doggone tall.
I'm sure there are people who don't consider it so.
I'm sure I could be considered one of the "hard core liberals who's embarrassed" but I don't come out as hard-core liberal on most polls. Maybe, just maybe, someone who's very very conservative is looking from a vantage point that doesn't give them a good idea of what "moderate" is.
In the poll that's mentioned on the next page, I come out 3 squares over and 3 squares into the liberal/libertarian quadrant. Not even halfway into either axis. (close to Mahatma Gandhi
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Wendy W.
After all, from where I stand, 6'1" is pretty doggone tall.
I'm sure there are people who don't consider it so.
I'm sure I could be considered one of the "hard core liberals who's embarrassed" but I don't come out as hard-core liberal on most polls. Maybe, just maybe, someone who's very very conservative is looking from a vantage point that doesn't give them a good idea of what "moderate" is.
In the poll that's mentioned on the next page, I come out 3 squares over and 3 squares into the liberal/libertarian quadrant. Not even halfway into either axis. (close to Mahatma Gandhi
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Wendy W.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
rehmwa 2
QuoteI'm a liberal (by the dictionary definition, not yours) and proud of it.
Most everybody here would consider themselves "liberal by the dictionary definition".
So by this statement, are you saying you are not 'liberal by the contemporary political definition'
I understand that this other definition is really skewed by your residency of course.
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
Steel 0
QuoteQuoteDogs and cats on the other hand are carnivores, which means that other carnivores should NEVER eat them.
Just curious where you got that from? Although its true that carnivores usually eat herbivores or omnivores, they still do eat other carnivores. Hence the terms 1st order and 2nd order carnivore.
Its about biology. Chlorophyl is the main nutrient needed for life. Plants make their own by Photosynthesis. Herbivores can take it from the plants they eat. Carnivores can't take it from the plants directly and therefore take it from the Herbivores who took it from the plants in the first place.
If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.
billvon 2,991
>Most everybody here would consider themselves "liberal by the dictionary definition"
Oh, I think a significant number of people here would hit you if you called them liberal of _any_ definition.
>So by this statement, are you saying you are not 'liberal by the
>contemporary political definition'
I'm not a democrat; I'm registered independent if that's what you mean. Democrats have wandered as far from liberal ideals as the GOP has from conservative ideals. IMO of course.
Oh, I think a significant number of people here would hit you if you called them liberal of _any_ definition.
>So by this statement, are you saying you are not 'liberal by the
>contemporary political definition'
I'm not a democrat; I'm registered independent if that's what you mean. Democrats have wandered as far from liberal ideals as the GOP has from conservative ideals. IMO of course.
rehmwa 2
Quote>Most everybody here would consider themselves "liberal by the dictionary definition"
Oh, I think a significant number of people here would hit you if you called them liberal of _any_ definition.
>So by this statement, are you saying you are not 'liberal by the
>contemporary political definition'
I'm not a democrat; I'm registered independent if that's what you mean. Democrats have wandered as far from liberal ideals as the GOP has from conservative ideals. IMO of course.
1st - Are you saying people with violent tendencies have lousy vocabularies
? If you ask someone if they are "open to considering new ideas and ways of doing things", how many would say 'no'? The other definition is a 'liberal' heaping of ice cream - also, who would say 'no'. But I digress.
2nd - I completely agree that the application of both major parties have diverged significantly from the well-intentioned original mission statements of either. Both have slipped off the pectrum in the whole of things while the splinter extremes have both moved "out". There's a big gap in there for many people looking for change.
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
Yes I am shocked by the results so far. I thought there would be a numbers would be higher for the "hard core liberal".
I think there's a genuine tendency for hard core lefties to see themselves as moderates or centrists. You can see it in the self assessment of journalists who invariably vote Democrat. Just ask Dan Rather where he stands on the political spectrum, everyone seems to know except him.