mr2mk1g 10 #51 June 6, 2005 Isn't that what I said in the post above that one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #52 June 6, 2005 QuoteIsn't that what I said in the post above that one? Just wanted to make sure that even though you have no proof, you claim something totally opposite of what the proof we do have...Even your own sources."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #53 June 6, 2005 That's not what I said. I said it was an unspoken goal. The fact that no one said it outloud is hardly inconsistent with that statement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #54 June 6, 2005 QuoteI said it was an unspoken goal. You have an unspoken goal, but it's so horrible I daren't mention it, shame on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #55 June 6, 2005 hahaha - shhh, I don't let on... I just love the taste so much... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #56 June 6, 2005 QuoteYou have an unspoken goal, but it's so horrible I daren't mention it, shame on you. lol Once again I knew this would be a great thread Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #57 June 6, 2005 QuoteIs it time for Rhino to pay up? Yes.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias 0 #58 June 6, 2005 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/3909150/ 'WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Colin Powell reversed a year of administration policy, acknowledging Thursday that he had seen no “smoking gun [or] concrete evidence” of ties between former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp According to the memo--which lays out the intelligence in 50 numbered points--Iraq-al Qaeda contacts began in 1990 and continued through mid-March 2003, days before the Iraq War began. Most of the numbered passages contain straight, fact-based intelligence reporting, which some cases includes an evaluation of the credibility of the source. This reporting is often followed by commentary and analysis. ...I guess, like a lot of other issues with this war, it's all about who you want to believe.....certainly not cut and dry..."intelligence" just isn't what is used to be Carpe Diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #59 June 6, 2005 >Or you can pay? Your decision. WMD's were found. WMD's are still >there. Do I need to elaborate? Did we have another bet that had something to do with WMD's? >And I know Bill that you aren't questioning my integrity. I think one's integrity is determined by their actions, not by other people's opinions of it. Again, pay or not; your choice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #60 June 6, 2005 Quote...I guess, like a lot of other issues with this war, it's all about who you want to believe.....certainly not cut and dry..."intelligence" just isn't what is used to be Agreed."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #61 June 6, 2005 Quoteyour confusion is confusing to say the least..... it's not his confusion that's throwing you off (at least it's not confusing to me). it must be his vocabulary that you're having a hard time with."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #62 June 7, 2005 Quote..."intelligence" just isn't what is used to be "intelligence" is what it has always has been... "analysis" as applied in the geo-political spectrum has changed... many many politically embarrassing decisions are simply swept under the rug by the use of the word "secret"____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #63 June 7, 2005 QuoteQuote..."intelligence" just isn't what is used to be "intelligence" is what it has always has been... "analysis" as applied in the geo-political spectrum has changed... Although I'm thinking we agree in spirit, it's important to note that "analysis" is an essential component of intelligence, whereby raw intelligence data (preferably from multiple sources) is transformed into a usable intelligence product for consumption by decision makers: policy makers at the strategic level, or commanders at the tactical level. In fact, looking at it in detail, the process closely resembles a supply chain model. As with a physical chain, there are a number of points at which breakdown can occur, from the tasking and collection of the raw data clear through the comsumption and interpretation of product by those who make decisions. Many mistakes have been made over the years, and the community's procedures have adapted and evolved to reflect the respective lessons learned. Quite well, I might add. Still, however, there is not and never will be a perfect system. Today, some assets are still tasked with low-value targets whilst more critical targets make their way without notice; some collected data is just simply wrong due to human error; much data is not even reviewed in a timely fashion due to an overwhelming backlog; some analysis is contaminated by external pressure to generate product that conforms to a specification, rather than what the analysis would yield otherwise; and some policy makers simply misinterpret, whether erroneously or otherwise, the product they're provided. This all has been going on for years, under the Bushes, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, and on back (don't get me started on Kennedy ). There's just recently been a spotlight shown on the community, largely prompted by the latest and freshly cliché buzzword-and-scapegoat-of-the-presidential-term: "bad intelligence". Much like highway patrol or state police, being a member of the intelligence community is mostly a thankless, and as of late, a largely and unjustifiably discredited job: these folks, under great pressure and some under even greater risk, find more proverbial needles in continent-sized haystacks than most will ever know. Sure, they have their sportos, motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, wasteoids, dweebies, dickheads, et al, but I think they deserve just a wee bit more credit than they're eking out right now. Apologies for the thread hijack. Back to your regularly scheduled programming. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #64 June 8, 2005 Ours don't countWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #65 June 8, 2005 QuoteOurs don't count You are killing me man.. lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #66 June 26, 2005 QuoteJust wanted to make sure that even though you have no proof, you claim something totally opposite of what the proof we do have...Even your own sources. ouch.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #67 June 26, 2005 Nice one Jenfly..... oops up side yo head Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
