Ron 10 #301 June 14, 2005 QuoteDo you believe BET should be off the air? Nope, don't care really. But I'd like to have some admit that they have double standards when they support BET or Jet, but claim that others are racist. Quote While MTV(WET), VH1(WET), TNN, TBS, ABC, NBC, CBS, (WET, WET, WET, WET, WET,) remains? MTV plays more rap than rock. It has "Cribs" ect....Not white TV. VH1....I might grant you that one. But on its home page it has "Ciara" and "Lizz Wright"...Both are black. In news it has Michael Jackson listed twice, and Destany's Child....So much for ALL white. I didn't see ONE white listed on BET. TNN...Thats now Spike right? Well on their home page...guess what? NBA rookies..and guess what? All four listed are black....Try again. TBS...Cosby show and Steve Harvey. Does BET have any shows hosted by a white guy? ABC...Show the NBA finals...guess what color the players they have on the ad are? Also has My wife and kids...A show about a family...Guess what color? Does BET have a show about a white family? NBC...Could not find a show staring blacks...Ya got me there. Its white TV. It does have a back CO-Star on Scrubs....And some on Law and order. CBS...CSI has Warren Brown....He is a pretty good actor. So to prove that BET is like all these, you just need to show me a show that starts a black family, a white talkl show host, and some whites as co stars. So you still claim BET is not racist?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverborg 0 #302 June 14, 2005 QuoteI think it DOES make it ok. What if hiring only whites makes the difference between the business being viable or closing its doors? Would the community be better off without the business and jobs it creates? Excellent point, but you're arguing with people that would probably rather see a business fail, than life not being perfectly fair for everybody. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #303 June 15, 2005 QuoteQuoteI think it DOES make it ok. What if hiring only whites makes the difference between the business being viable or closing its doors? Would the community be better off without the business and jobs it creates? Excellent point, but you're arguing with people that would probably rather see a business fail, than life not being perfectly fair for everybody. Exactly. Thats the problem, some people have a hard time understanding that life isn't fair, and want to blame that fact on something as shallow as skin color. Everyone is faced with hardships independant of skin color. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #304 June 15, 2005 he majority of the shows on the WB have all black actors, however they dont advertise that it is geared towards the black community. Wrong again. "Smallville," "Blue Collar TV," "Charmed," "Everwood," "7th Heaven," "Gilmore Girls," "One Treel Hill," "Reba," "Summerland..." I could go on but that's over half their programming. The biggest issue with BET is that it is actually called BLACK entertainment television and publicly states that it is geared towards the black community If it was called something different you would still feel the same way. Is Telemundo racist because it's programming is targeted at latin people? Or is it okay because it's not LET? How about Oxygen which is aimed at women? Is that network sexist? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #305 June 15, 2005 MTV plays more rap than rock. It has "Cribs" ect....Not white TV. That's just not the case. TRL is MTVs prime time shit. Last week of the top ten songs, two were hip hop songs. "Cribs" is just an updated version of lifestyles of the rich and famous. The only bias they show as far as who's on the show is money. White people love money just as much as Black people which makes it White TV. But if you want to talk numbers, last season they profiled 21 Black homes, 31 White homes, and 3 homes of people who were neither. I didn't see ONE white listed on BET. Kurt Elling, Miroslav Vitous, Dave Brubeck listed in the Jazz section, Paul Wall, Eminem, Bubba Sparks listed elsewhere on the site. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
78RATS 0 #306 June 15, 2005 Quote Paul Wall Dopest white boy on da planet. Ballin Underground. Rat for Life - Fly till I die When them stupid ass bitches ask why Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #307 June 15, 2005 QuoteWhite people love money just as much as Black people which makes it White TV. Uh, doesn't that make it Everyones TV?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #308 June 15, 2005 QuoteIf it was called something different you would still feel the same way Probably not. But I would also have a problem with White TV... And I am sure a lot of people in the black communities would also have a problem. QuoteIs Telemundo racist because it's programming is targeted at latin people? No since they are in a totaly different language. Its not all about culture, some people can't speak English...Which is another seperate topic...If you want to be in the US learn to speak English. But some of my friends speak English, but not nearly as well as Spanish. QuoteHow about Oxygen which is aimed at women? Is that network sexist? Yes."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #309 June 15, 2005 Paul Wall is great. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #310 June 15, 2005 I was responding to Ron saying it wasn't "white tv." For the record my point is it's not targeted toward Black people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #311 June 15, 2005 Probably not. But I would also have a problem with White TV... And I am sure a lot of people in the black communities would also have a problem So you don't have a problem with TV One? Same basic format as BET, not as much money or distribution but in essence is a scaled down version of BET. As far as WET it really wouldn't differ from existing networks and I really wouldn't care. Some would, as someone always has something to say. No since they are in a totaly different language. Its not all about culture, some people can't speak English Well, it has the same format and it's definitely targeting latin (I'm not sure if "latin" or "hispanic" is correct) people. The language really doesn't have anything to do with it. If it was all in English everything else would be the same and it certaintly does address the culture differences between latin people and others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #312 June 15, 2005 QuoteSo you don't have a problem with TV One? Same basic format as BET, not as much money or distribution but in essence is a scaled down version of BET. Didn't even know about it. But no. Hell I don't have a "problem" with BET. But I just want to point out a double standard how its more accepted for blacks to be prejudiced towards whites, and how blacks can get away with things that whites could not dream of doing. QuoteThe language really doesn't have anything to do with it. If it was all in English everything else would be the same and it certaintly does address the culture differences between latin people and others. It makes a BIG difference that it is in Spanish."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Treejumps 0 #313 June 15, 2005 *** "As far as WET it really wouldn't differ from existing networks and I really wouldn't care" It wouldn't? I think that is giving a bit too much credit to them white folk. If there was a WET, it would be considerably different, just as BET is considerably different in its efforts to pander to black people. Would WET not want to create its own particular vernacular that only white people really understand? What about the advertisments? No more "I'm lovin it", and of course, only white people are permitted to be on the shows, news, etc. Any music programming would be white only. No more hip hop, except Eminem of course. I really don't care that there is BET. However, BET is a big part of the problem the black community has with not being upwardly mobile. BET sells the ideas that are central to the social problems of the black community. Bling bling, keep it real, $1,000 spinning rims, smack yo' bitch, pimps and hos, gangsta this and that, 40's. Where are the shows on BET that display an average middle class black family who speaks good English, their kids getting straight As and planning for college, and otherwise being completely ordinary people? There are none. It doesn't sell and BET is self admittedly not striving for social change. Bill Cosby is one of the few willing to tell it like it is. But just like there are special interests that maintain the staus quo in Congress, the same is true for the social enviroment of the overall black community. Until Jesse J, Sharpton, and their ilk quit inciting racial tensions for profit, nothing is going to change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #314 June 15, 2005 really, if you wanted to say "fuck the race card" straight across the board, you should ignore race, and also ignore other people when they choose not to ignore race. Just forgot about the whole thing & not make a big deal out of it. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #315 June 15, 2005 BET hasn't created a particular vernacular that only Black people understand and I don't see the "I'm lovin' it" commercials on BET only. The programming isn't "Black only" it's simply comprised of hip hop, r and b, jazz, and gospel. When an artist is moving 1 million plus records there are more than Black people buying the record. As far as your summarization of BET's programming I think it's a bit one sided but there is some truth to it. I'll be the first to say BET is by no means perfect or ideal but it does have some redeeming qualities. I think it lacks an consistent intellectual voice and focuses more on fluff. But again, it is an "entertainment" network and is ultimately now there to make money first. As you said, shows like that don't sell. On any network. PS It's speak English well, not speak good English. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KATO33 0 #316 June 15, 2005 QuoteI really don't care that there is BET. However, BET is a big part of the problem the black community has with not being upwardly mobile. BET sells the ideas that are central to the social problems of the black community. Bling bling, keep it real, $1,000 spinning rims, smack yo' bitch, pimps and hos, gangsta this and that, 40's. Where are the shows on BET that display an average middle class black family who speaks good English, their kids getting straight As and planning for college, and otherwise being completely ordinary people? With this I'll have to disagree. BET does air shows of "upwardly mobile blacks". "Girlfiends" - Joan the Lawyer, Toni owns a real estate co., Mya was the assistant to Joan who eventually wrote a self help book, Lynn has a gang of college degrees but doesn't put them to good use. So 3 out of 4 isn't bad. "The Parkers"- Mother/Daughter College students "Soul Food"- Runs the gammit From a Partner at a Law Firm to an Ex-con trying to support his family. The point is there is some non "bling bling, spinning rims, gangsta" shows on BET Blue Skies Black Death Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Treejumps 0 #317 June 15, 2005 *** "When an artist is moving 1 million plus records there are more than Black people buying the record." It seems like you must have great information sources to know who is buying what. Or perhaps you are not aware that there are 40 million blacks in the US, of which a mere 2.5 percent buying the same album would be 1 million units. I forget who made the comment, but perhaps the progeny of slaves only steal their music rather than participate in the white mans economy? I agree that lots of white rebelious teens are buying hip hop. But R&B and gospel? Did you skydive well, or did you make a good skydive? I'm no English major, but I'm pretty certain that it was grammatically acceptable the way that I worte it. People on these board typically only make grammar or spelling corrections when they have a weak argument. It is a way to divert attention from the real discussion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #318 June 15, 2005 Quote he majority of the shows on the WB have all black actors, however they dont advertise that it is geared towards the black community. Wrong again. "Smallville," "Blue Collar TV," "Charmed," "Everwood," "7th Heaven," "Gilmore Girls," "One Treel Hill," "Reba," "Summerland..." I could go on but that's over half their programming. Despite that fact, it's clear that for a stretch of years the WB was attempting to program for the black viewing audience, just as Spike tried for the young men until it found out good the ratings would be for CSI reruns. It's very hard to run a full schedule on a single focus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #319 June 15, 2005 I've photographed concerts since '93 and the only artists I've ever seen draw a 90 plus percent Black crowd was Maxwell (in part because nobody knew who he was and it was during Morehouse's homecoming). From Destiny's Child to Ashanti to R Kelly they're moving lots of units to people who aren't Black. Don't believe me? Go to a show. Gospel's a niche unto itself. It's not very difficult to track who's buying what. It's done by where the music stores are located and which one is selling what and how many. I have a few friends here and there in the music industry but it's mostly common sense. As far as the grammar correction I don't need to divert anyone from my point. I could do that by simply not posting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eaglenrider 0 #320 June 15, 2005 Quote[ Is the king of sheba you are refering to in your family history Menelik II? __________________________________________________ Why Yes! __________________________________________________ If yes, Do you think "your" family should be paying people for all the money his / your family made in the slave trade in the 18 and 1900s???? Well???? __________________________________________________ My great great grandmother was never a *slave holder* and never traded in or profited from the slave trade. As for Menekick II ,"Conquering Lion of Judah" ,I'm not so sure he was involved in the slave trade either . I'm sure you are aware ,by the time he took his rightful crown as a direct descendant of King Soloman and The Queen of Sheba, the slave trade (at least to the western world) was all but over. So to answer your question, I have no doubt that no party could rightfully claim reperations for slavery against my great great grandmothers' estate. If anyone has a claim against Melenik II,King of Kings of Eithiopia, I would expect them to be paid full and fair compensation. Any other queastions? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #321 June 16, 2005 The slave trade in Ethiopia was not banned until 1923. Menelik died in 1913. From: http://www.country-studies.com/ethiopia/the-interregnum.html "In 1919, after efforts to gain membership in the League of Nations were blocked because of the existence of slavery in Ethiopia, he (and Empress Zawditu) complied with the norms of the international community by banning the slave trade in 1923." This was of course, after Menelik was already dead, but the slave trade was alive and well in Ethiopia under his rule. another quote: "Meanwhile, Menelik continued to strengthen Ethiopia using the proceeds from the slave trade between the Upper Nile Valley and the Red Sea. That slave route boomed to meet the demand in the Ottoman Empire after the Russian conquest of the Caucasus eliminated one source and the 1847 Anglo-Zanzibari treaty reduced the trade from farther south. Under Menelik, Ethiopians charged tolls on slave caravans buying or selling slaves themselves. Menelik used the income to buy military equipment and hire technical advisors to turn Ethiopia into a modern military power." The above from: http://courses.wcupa.edu/jones/his312/lectures/eastafr.htm Again, this shows your ancestors profiting from the slave trade and allowing it within its borders. As I see it he was using the slave trade to finance his wars. another from: http://www.africanidea.org/designing.html "In particular, the southern peoples were subjected to extensive and odious oppression. Subjected to the administrative fiat of the north, their language and culture were denigrated. Many lost their lands and quite a few were sold into slavery." one more from http://www.rastafarispeaks.com/repatriation/index.cgi?noframes;read=33010 "Under such conditions, Menelik II, Amhara King of Shewa was able to occupy and colonize Oromiyaa and southern region. Menelik created a settler colonial rule over Oromos and other southern people. Many of the newly occupied or colonized people were captured and sold into slavery, and the ramining were placed in a situation that is no better than slavery." So what are your reactions to this? What do you think your family owes by profiting from the slave trade? Its a direct link to your modern family. QuoteMy great great grandmother was never a *slave holder* and never traded in or profited from the slave trade. Didn't you say you were rich? Is it possible some of your family's money came from the slave trade or perhaps financed her university studies abroad?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnyshrek 0 #322 June 16, 2005 You know something. I have been following this thread and have asked fellow black friends to take a look.. The bottom line is in my opinion. This has nothing to do with black,white , yellow whatever. It has everything to do with people out for themselves. My friend Sam from england that is black hates this shit. These people Jesse jackson etc etc are causing racism. They thrive on it. He came over and couldn't believe the shit that goes on.. So, don't blame the ethnics for any of this shit blame the people promoting it. At the end of the day they don't care about the African Americans..They care about votes. And fuck those english bastards hey too....http://www.skydivethefarm.com do you realize that when you critisize people you dont know over the internet, you become part of a growing society of twats? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eaglenrider 0 #323 June 16, 2005 Again, this shows your ancestors profiting from the slave trade and allowing it within its borders. As I see it he was using the slave trade to finance his wars. So what are your reactions to this? __________________________________________________ Yes , around the dinner table I also heard of the smear campaign the Italians directed toward the great and mighty Melenek II "Conquering Lion of Judah" and "Elect of God". Look , the Wops got their ass kicked and went back to the European press(which Gods' Emperor had no access to) and made up some stuff to cut him down . As I've stated , If any legitimate claims against the estate of Menelek II are made, I believe that estate should compensate fully. Can you name even one person who is making any claim against "The Supreme , The blood of Solomon and the Queen of Sheba , Menelek II"? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #324 June 16, 2005 QuoteAgain, this shows your ancestors profiting from the slave trade and allowing it within its borders. As I see it he was using the slave trade to finance his wars. So what are your reactions to this? __________________________________________________ Yes , around the dinner table I also heard of the smear campaign the Italians directed toward the great and mighty Melenek II "Conquering Lion of Judah" and "Elect of God". Look , the Wops got their ass kicked and went back to the European press(which Gods' Emperor had no access to) and made up some stuff to cut him down . As I've stated , If any legitimate claims against the estate of Menelek II are made, I believe that estate should compensate fully. Can you name even one person who is making any claim against "The Supreme , The blood of Solomon and the Queen of Sheba , Menelek II"? Here we go again....You make a claim, it is proven to be BS. Then you just choose not to listen to it and claim it is just lies."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #325 June 16, 2005 Face it,guys...races do not want to be homogenized socially, economically nor culturally....races want to remain separate and distinct and trying to force the issue only gives the racist fuel for the fire. Talk otherwise but reallity shows "separate-but-better-than-equal" to be the goal of all of the different races.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
