wmw999 2,445 #101 June 9, 2005 I can see objections to this, but when you consider that people tend to look in the same places all the time, mandating that they broaden the search a little when they've tended to look in places where whites are more likely is one approach. If a company has always had good luck hiring, say, computer programmers by on-campus recruiting at the University of Alabama, it's an "imposition" to ask them to interview candidates from Ole Miss. But they might discover that they get a lot of good new candidates who never even had the opportunity before. I'm not a black person. I'm not a male person. So it's a little arrogant for me to tell either men or black people that I understand that aspect of being a human being. And you can't take anyone's experience away from them. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #102 June 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote QuoteIf there was no need for the policy then the number of Black coaches would basically stay the same with or without it What are you talking about? This doesnt make any sense. Once again, THIS SHIT SHOULD NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SKIN COLOR! It has to do with somebody being able to prove they can do a good job, having the experience to do so and delivering on what they promise. Is it possible that perhaps there just isnt that many exceptional head coach candidates that happen to be black??? Is the oppossite also perhaps true with running backs and NBA centers?? Could it possibly be true that the best of breed just happen to have black skin??? Do all the white guys that get beat out for these position cry racism? No, and I am sure they dont base it on skin color, they base it on SKILL. If the NFL was racist (as the group is suggesting by claiming that black coaches are not being considered for the positions) then can someone please tell me why the fuck 70% (or whatever the number is) of the players are black??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites littlestranger 0 #103 June 9, 2005 Quote In Reply To ***Do not call people names. Your one warning QuoteCould you tell me where I did? I have no idea. You might want to go back and re-read this entire post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #104 June 9, 2005 >Could you tell me where I did? I have no idea. You said "Know what that makes you? A Racist." I deleted the post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #105 June 9, 2005 QuoteAs I've said previously, what happened previously has an effect on what goes on today and what will happen in the future OK, and I will agree to a certain extent. The fact your G-G grandad was slave did not effect your ability to got to school. It did not effect the ability of the guy that dropped out either....Why did you make it, and they did not? You both have g-g grandparents that were slaves? QuoteYes, I am in support of AA but I'm also in support of better education in place of or in conjunction with AA. I think it was a temporary fix that once was put into place, caused people to forget about the actual issue Im in support of better education, and slamming the shit out of anyone that uses race to make hiring choices....But not AA. QuoteAgain, we disagree. Kirk's never lost a battle and if he did it was fixed. 83 episodes of ass kicking. The karate chop, the double ax handle across the back, and the jump kick would fade Bruce Lee. And he always gets the chick. Your nuts...Kirk was a flabby guy that had cool toys. His double ax handle gimmick he GOT from Lee....Lee was a bad muther fucker, Kirk was a pretty boy. QuoteYou and I have spoken about the NFL thing previously on here. In a nutshell I feel like the best person is going to get the job. What's unfortunate is there seems to be a need for the policy. Do you honestly feel like the NFL discriminates agains white lineman? No, but I don't think they discriminate against coaches or office help either. You think Airspeed should have to have a black guy?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #106 June 9, 2005 Quote>Could you tell me where I did? I have no idea. You said "Know what that makes you? A Racist." I deleted the post. Ah, I see sorry."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #107 June 9, 2005 QuoteOK heres the solution for the next 300 years Black owned companies shall have Free White labor. Whites shall not have the right to vote for the next 400 years. Whites shall not be taught to read or write or any formal education for the next 300 years. After 400 years Black shouldn't have any thing to complain about and we can call it even. I owe you nothing. White people do not owe you anything. Until you get over that and quit asking for special treatment...there will never be equality. Most of the racial problem is this kind of attitude."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites waltappel 1 #108 June 9, 2005 Quote Outside of everyone's favorite targets in the Black community, those being Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, name two other "very vocal people" who preach about the differences. Quannell X and Tavis Smiley come to mind, but more to the point, so do you. Quote Based on what you've said thus far it really doesn't seem like you accept the differences. It sounds more like you think we're all the same, we're just different colors. It's just not that simple. We can agree to disagree on that. It IS that simple, IMO. Quote I don't feel like "those differences are huge obstacles to overcome" and neither do friends of mine. If you honestly feel Black people feel that way then I'd say you only know one type Black person. The "huge obstacles" comment comes from reading between the lines of your comments and others. Also comes from numerous Affirmative Action discussions, but that's another topic. Quote Let me tell you about the times I've mouthed off to cops or friends of mine mouthed off to cops. We haven't. Best case scenario they ask you whose car you're driving (I've been asked this question EVERY time I've been pulled over), berate and chastise you, and give you a ticket. Worst case scenario the beat your ass (yes it's happened to me and friends of mine), tow your car, and lock you up until they "drop the charges." I'm not saying the same things don't happen to non Black people. My point is that's more Black people's experience with cops than it isn't. My experience is my reality. No way for me to comment on this accept by looking at each incident on a case-by-case basis. QuoteI really don't see how it's an advantage to anyone outside the country. When the planes hit the twin towers everyone got upset. Black people didn't just shrug their shoulders and say "Oh well. That's what whitey gets." We live here too, so it affected us the same way. The divisiveness dims our focus. The government has found terror cells in this country. Quote It could also be said Whites and Mexicans don't get along, Asians and Mexicans don't get along, Dominicans and Puerto Ricans don't get along... I could go on. Sure, you could say that but look at the intensity levels. I haven't heard of any asians rioting in the streets in this country. Quote The perception you speak of comes from a lack of dialogue in part. If these same people with this perception sat down and spoke with someone they viewed in this light I think they'd come away with a different understanding. It's not always about agreeing. Seeing someone else's perspective is just as, if not more important. I agree that seeing others' perspective is important, but disagree with the rest. Take this thread as an example. As far as I can tell, nobody has changed their views. These dialogs are, except for their entertainment value, a waste of time, IMO. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #109 June 9, 2005 QuoteExplain the rise in the number of Black coaches after the mandate. What rise? All the black coaches in the NFL were hired before the mandate. Do you even know when the mandate was instituted and what has transpired since then? Obviously not. Lovey Smith, Romeo Crinell, and you could make a case for Tony Dungee although he had a head coach position before and after the mandate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #110 June 9, 2005 It makes sense you just don't like it. That's fine. It's not as if non qualified people get the jobs/positions in any case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #111 June 9, 2005 QuoteIt's not as if non qualified people get the jobs/positions in any case. Problem that *does* happen. My boss just took a job in Tx. His peers are: 1. Black Male 2. Black Male 3. White Male 4.White Male 5. ? Male. (I think White, but don't really know...All I have even done is email him). Now my boss's job is open....His boss (Black Male) has said he needs to hire a female to have "balance" according to HR. So the first round of interviews EVERY female that puts in a packet will get interviewed, but not all males....Is that fair?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #112 June 9, 2005 "OK, and I will agree to a certain extent. The fact your G-G grandad was slave did not effect your ability to got to school. It did not effect the ability of the guy that dropped out either....Why did you make it, and they did not? You both have g-g grandparents that were slaves?" Directly no. It's bigger than that though. Here's my point... Take the child of a just freed slave and the child of a former slave owner. Their mentalities, outlook on the world, opportunities ect are completely different. As time goes on and the kids have kids and their kids have kids in theory all of those things should become more similar than different. Fast forward to today... some of those differences still exist even if they exist differently. Some of the former differences are now the same. My point is because we started differently we'll probably end up differently. I'm not saying the guy dropped out because of these differences. If he quit he quit for whatever reason he had. "Your nuts...Kirk was a flabby guy that had cool toys. His double ax handle gimmick he GOT from Lee....Lee was a bad muther fucker, Kirk was a pretty boy" Kirk beat alien's asses. I watched him beat the shit out of a mini godzilla. When was the last time Bruce Lee beat an alien? Never. Bruce was tight, but Kirk was fresh. "No, but I don't think they discriminate against coaches or office help either. You think Airspeed should have to have a black guy?" If you don't think they discriminate against white lineman then there's no need to discuss a mandatory tryout for white lineman. No I don't think Airspeed needs a Black guy. Look man, at the end of the day I can see it from both sides. We just disagree which is fine. You're still my boy and I still look up to you as a skydiving mentor. As I said the last time we debated issues of race and politics, the good thing is we both, I hope, have a greater understanding of one another. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #113 June 9, 2005 QuoteKirk beat alien's asses. I watched him beat the shit out of a mini godzilla. When was the last time Bruce Lee beat an alien? Never. Bruce was tight, but Kirk was fresh. Bruce did beat Wilt Chamberlain and then only after having to go up the tower through 4 other guys. Wilt was kind of an alien. But Kirk got lucky with a green hottie. Hard to beat that. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #114 June 9, 2005 "Quannell X and Tavis Smiley come to mind, but more to the point, so do you." I don't preach. We are different. Differences should be celebrated not ignored. "The divisiveness dims our focus. The government has found terror cells in this country." Ok. "Sure, you could say that but look at the intensity levels. I haven't heard of any asians rioting in the streets in this country." Which proves what? "I agree that seeing others' perspective is important, but disagree with the rest. Take this thread as an example. As far as I can tell, nobody has changed their views. These dialogs are, except for their entertainment value, a waste of time, IMO." The internet is the last place where I'd host a discussion like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #115 June 9, 2005 I can see why you'd say it isn't fair. I honestly don't think they'll ever be a "fair" way to handle situations like that. It's unfortunate no matter how you look at it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #116 June 9, 2005 True enough. Kirk was still the hardest though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #117 June 9, 2005 QuoteMy point is because we started differently we'll probably end up differently. I can see that, but I think that as time goes forward, unless people hold a grudge, differences become less important, or even dissapear. QuoteKirk beat alien's asses. I watched him beat the shit out of a mini godzilla. When was the last time Bruce Lee beat an alien? Never. Bruce was tight, but Kirk was fresh. When was the last time Kirk beat a whole damn Island like my boy Lee did?...I'll give it up to Kirk for nailing the green chick, but we are talking about fighting, not laying the pipe. QuoteIf you don't think they discriminate against white lineman then there's no need to discuss a mandatory tryout for white lineman. I don't think they are discriminating against black coaches either...But its OK to make people interview blacks for jobs they are in the minority...But why not make people interview whites in the same situation? QuoteLook man, at the end of the day I can see it from both sides. We just disagree which is fine. You're still my boy Who you calling "boy"? QuoteI still look up to you as a skydiving mentor OK, I forgive you. QuoteAs I said the last time we debated issues of race and politics, the good thing is we both, I hope, have a greater understanding of one another. Oh I do hear you, understand your position, learn from this, and agree we willnever truely understand each other, but I hope we get closer by dialog like this..........................But Lee would stomp Kirk like a grape."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #118 June 9, 2005 QuoteI can see why you'd say it isn't fair. I honestly don't think they'll ever be a "fair" way to handle situations like that. It's unfortunate no matter how you look at it. It was fair before the mandate was instituted. Now it isnt fair. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KATO33 0 #119 June 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteOK heres the solution for the next 300 years Black owned companies shall have Free White labor. Whites shall not have the right to vote for the next 400 years. Whites shall not be taught to read or write or any formal education for the next 300 years. After 400 years Black shouldn't have any thing to complain about and we can call it even. I owe you nothing. White people do not owe you anything. Until you get over that and quit asking for special treatment...there will never be equality. Most of the racial problem is this kind of attitude. You missed my point completely. Blue Skies Black Death Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #120 June 9, 2005 QuoteBruce did beat Wilt Chamberlain and then only after having to go up the tower through 4 other guys. Wilt was kind of an alien. That was Kareem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #121 June 9, 2005 QuoteI can see why you'd say it isn't fair. I honestly don't think they'll ever be a "fair" way to handle situations like that. It's unfortunate no matter how you look at it. The fair thing would be to remove the age/sex/race block off of the form, and hire the person who is most qualified. I think we are headed in that direction, we are not there yet, but I think we are in that direction.....For example notice how many Black Males I work with? that would not have been that way 30 years ago."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites waltappel 1 #122 June 9, 2005 Quote"Quannell X and Tavis Smiley come to mind, but more to the point, so do you." I don't preach. We are different. Differences should be celebrated not ignored. Agreed--you don't preach. You seem to have the impression that I am one of those people who think cultural differences should be ignored. I'm not at all like that. Nor do I think that all differences should be celebrated. I think that everyone has every right to celebrate, ignore, or despise cultural differences. As far as I'm concerned, everyone can be as racist or non-racist as they want to be. If I don't like Japanese food--fine. If I don't like the Japanese culture--that's fine too. Same goes for any other culture, including the American black culture. Quote "Sure, you could say that but look at the intensity levels. I haven't heard of any asians rioting in the streets in this country." Which proves what? The comment was regarding animosity between different ethnic groups and the thought that tensions between American blacks and other groups seems to have a high level of intensity. Does it seem to you that American blacks are paranoid and seem to find (and complain about) racism even when none exists? Seems that way to me. I am not saying that racism doesn't exist--just that many accusations of racism seem very overblown. QuoteThe internet is the last place where I'd host a discussion like. Personally, I think it's the only sane place to have this kind of discussion. For many people, the topic is simply too emotional and discussions could get way out of hand unless the discussions are limited to just very small groups. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #123 June 9, 2005 Quote Of course they can do (almost) whatever the want. Does that make it right? Was it right for Jesse Jackson to form an alliance and threaten lawsuits and put pressure on the NFL to institute this sort of mandate? Of course it was right. It's every American's right to assemble and protest. If enough people support it to make the NFL (or whoever) fear consequences, their demands may be met. Didn't work yet for that woman at Augusta. I don't think forcing a token interview really helps the cause much. The problem lies with this large pool of fat old white losers who keep getting rehired, despite years of evidence that they can't win. Lot of owners seem prone to pick the safe medicre guy with years of experience, rather than a young up and comer who may flame out badly. When they die off or retire, I think the playing field will be much more level. If it's actually at 28%, that's a heck of a lot better than it was. It's in the college scene that football is in pretty bad shape. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #124 June 9, 2005 QuoteIt's not as if non qualified people get the jobs/positions in any case. You're right, but the problem is the perception. Janice Rogers Brown just got confirmed yesterday to the federal court. She has indicated that a key problem with AA is that there is a perception that it gets unqualified people ahead. She is personally against it. Then she is told by her detractors, "But affirmative action helped you get where you are." Her detractors never seem to realize by that saying it, they both make her point and delegitimize her accomplishments. By the way, there is now a great deal of talk around California legal water coolers about who the African American is that will replace her on the Cal Supreme Court. It's being argued as pretty much a given and political necessity to do so. Isn't tht a shame how many steps backwards our society takes every day in race relations because color is actually considered a dispositive factor? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #125 June 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteBruce did beat Wilt Chamberlain and then only after having to go up the tower through 4 other guys. Wilt was kind of an alien. That was Kareem. Crap, I think you're right there. I'll go hide away for a while now. ... 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littlestranger 0 #103 June 9, 2005 Quote In Reply To ***Do not call people names. Your one warning QuoteCould you tell me where I did? I have no idea. You might want to go back and re-read this entire post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #104 June 9, 2005 >Could you tell me where I did? I have no idea. You said "Know what that makes you? A Racist." I deleted the post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #105 June 9, 2005 QuoteAs I've said previously, what happened previously has an effect on what goes on today and what will happen in the future OK, and I will agree to a certain extent. The fact your G-G grandad was slave did not effect your ability to got to school. It did not effect the ability of the guy that dropped out either....Why did you make it, and they did not? You both have g-g grandparents that were slaves? QuoteYes, I am in support of AA but I'm also in support of better education in place of or in conjunction with AA. I think it was a temporary fix that once was put into place, caused people to forget about the actual issue Im in support of better education, and slamming the shit out of anyone that uses race to make hiring choices....But not AA. QuoteAgain, we disagree. Kirk's never lost a battle and if he did it was fixed. 83 episodes of ass kicking. The karate chop, the double ax handle across the back, and the jump kick would fade Bruce Lee. And he always gets the chick. Your nuts...Kirk was a flabby guy that had cool toys. His double ax handle gimmick he GOT from Lee....Lee was a bad muther fucker, Kirk was a pretty boy. QuoteYou and I have spoken about the NFL thing previously on here. In a nutshell I feel like the best person is going to get the job. What's unfortunate is there seems to be a need for the policy. Do you honestly feel like the NFL discriminates agains white lineman? No, but I don't think they discriminate against coaches or office help either. You think Airspeed should have to have a black guy?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #106 June 9, 2005 Quote>Could you tell me where I did? I have no idea. You said "Know what that makes you? A Racist." I deleted the post. Ah, I see sorry."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #107 June 9, 2005 QuoteOK heres the solution for the next 300 years Black owned companies shall have Free White labor. Whites shall not have the right to vote for the next 400 years. Whites shall not be taught to read or write or any formal education for the next 300 years. After 400 years Black shouldn't have any thing to complain about and we can call it even. I owe you nothing. White people do not owe you anything. Until you get over that and quit asking for special treatment...there will never be equality. Most of the racial problem is this kind of attitude."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #108 June 9, 2005 Quote Outside of everyone's favorite targets in the Black community, those being Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, name two other "very vocal people" who preach about the differences. Quannell X and Tavis Smiley come to mind, but more to the point, so do you. Quote Based on what you've said thus far it really doesn't seem like you accept the differences. It sounds more like you think we're all the same, we're just different colors. It's just not that simple. We can agree to disagree on that. It IS that simple, IMO. Quote I don't feel like "those differences are huge obstacles to overcome" and neither do friends of mine. If you honestly feel Black people feel that way then I'd say you only know one type Black person. The "huge obstacles" comment comes from reading between the lines of your comments and others. Also comes from numerous Affirmative Action discussions, but that's another topic. Quote Let me tell you about the times I've mouthed off to cops or friends of mine mouthed off to cops. We haven't. Best case scenario they ask you whose car you're driving (I've been asked this question EVERY time I've been pulled over), berate and chastise you, and give you a ticket. Worst case scenario the beat your ass (yes it's happened to me and friends of mine), tow your car, and lock you up until they "drop the charges." I'm not saying the same things don't happen to non Black people. My point is that's more Black people's experience with cops than it isn't. My experience is my reality. No way for me to comment on this accept by looking at each incident on a case-by-case basis. QuoteI really don't see how it's an advantage to anyone outside the country. When the planes hit the twin towers everyone got upset. Black people didn't just shrug their shoulders and say "Oh well. That's what whitey gets." We live here too, so it affected us the same way. The divisiveness dims our focus. The government has found terror cells in this country. Quote It could also be said Whites and Mexicans don't get along, Asians and Mexicans don't get along, Dominicans and Puerto Ricans don't get along... I could go on. Sure, you could say that but look at the intensity levels. I haven't heard of any asians rioting in the streets in this country. Quote The perception you speak of comes from a lack of dialogue in part. If these same people with this perception sat down and spoke with someone they viewed in this light I think they'd come away with a different understanding. It's not always about agreeing. Seeing someone else's perspective is just as, if not more important. I agree that seeing others' perspective is important, but disagree with the rest. Take this thread as an example. As far as I can tell, nobody has changed their views. These dialogs are, except for their entertainment value, a waste of time, IMO. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #109 June 9, 2005 QuoteExplain the rise in the number of Black coaches after the mandate. What rise? All the black coaches in the NFL were hired before the mandate. Do you even know when the mandate was instituted and what has transpired since then? Obviously not. Lovey Smith, Romeo Crinell, and you could make a case for Tony Dungee although he had a head coach position before and after the mandate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #110 June 9, 2005 It makes sense you just don't like it. That's fine. It's not as if non qualified people get the jobs/positions in any case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #111 June 9, 2005 QuoteIt's not as if non qualified people get the jobs/positions in any case. Problem that *does* happen. My boss just took a job in Tx. His peers are: 1. Black Male 2. Black Male 3. White Male 4.White Male 5. ? Male. (I think White, but don't really know...All I have even done is email him). Now my boss's job is open....His boss (Black Male) has said he needs to hire a female to have "balance" according to HR. So the first round of interviews EVERY female that puts in a packet will get interviewed, but not all males....Is that fair?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #112 June 9, 2005 "OK, and I will agree to a certain extent. The fact your G-G grandad was slave did not effect your ability to got to school. It did not effect the ability of the guy that dropped out either....Why did you make it, and they did not? You both have g-g grandparents that were slaves?" Directly no. It's bigger than that though. Here's my point... Take the child of a just freed slave and the child of a former slave owner. Their mentalities, outlook on the world, opportunities ect are completely different. As time goes on and the kids have kids and their kids have kids in theory all of those things should become more similar than different. Fast forward to today... some of those differences still exist even if they exist differently. Some of the former differences are now the same. My point is because we started differently we'll probably end up differently. I'm not saying the guy dropped out because of these differences. If he quit he quit for whatever reason he had. "Your nuts...Kirk was a flabby guy that had cool toys. His double ax handle gimmick he GOT from Lee....Lee was a bad muther fucker, Kirk was a pretty boy" Kirk beat alien's asses. I watched him beat the shit out of a mini godzilla. When was the last time Bruce Lee beat an alien? Never. Bruce was tight, but Kirk was fresh. "No, but I don't think they discriminate against coaches or office help either. You think Airspeed should have to have a black guy?" If you don't think they discriminate against white lineman then there's no need to discuss a mandatory tryout for white lineman. No I don't think Airspeed needs a Black guy. Look man, at the end of the day I can see it from both sides. We just disagree which is fine. You're still my boy and I still look up to you as a skydiving mentor. As I said the last time we debated issues of race and politics, the good thing is we both, I hope, have a greater understanding of one another. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #113 June 9, 2005 QuoteKirk beat alien's asses. I watched him beat the shit out of a mini godzilla. When was the last time Bruce Lee beat an alien? Never. Bruce was tight, but Kirk was fresh. Bruce did beat Wilt Chamberlain and then only after having to go up the tower through 4 other guys. Wilt was kind of an alien. But Kirk got lucky with a green hottie. Hard to beat that. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #114 June 9, 2005 "Quannell X and Tavis Smiley come to mind, but more to the point, so do you." I don't preach. We are different. Differences should be celebrated not ignored. "The divisiveness dims our focus. The government has found terror cells in this country." Ok. "Sure, you could say that but look at the intensity levels. I haven't heard of any asians rioting in the streets in this country." Which proves what? "I agree that seeing others' perspective is important, but disagree with the rest. Take this thread as an example. As far as I can tell, nobody has changed their views. These dialogs are, except for their entertainment value, a waste of time, IMO." The internet is the last place where I'd host a discussion like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #115 June 9, 2005 I can see why you'd say it isn't fair. I honestly don't think they'll ever be a "fair" way to handle situations like that. It's unfortunate no matter how you look at it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #116 June 9, 2005 True enough. Kirk was still the hardest though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #117 June 9, 2005 QuoteMy point is because we started differently we'll probably end up differently. I can see that, but I think that as time goes forward, unless people hold a grudge, differences become less important, or even dissapear. QuoteKirk beat alien's asses. I watched him beat the shit out of a mini godzilla. When was the last time Bruce Lee beat an alien? Never. Bruce was tight, but Kirk was fresh. When was the last time Kirk beat a whole damn Island like my boy Lee did?...I'll give it up to Kirk for nailing the green chick, but we are talking about fighting, not laying the pipe. QuoteIf you don't think they discriminate against white lineman then there's no need to discuss a mandatory tryout for white lineman. I don't think they are discriminating against black coaches either...But its OK to make people interview blacks for jobs they are in the minority...But why not make people interview whites in the same situation? QuoteLook man, at the end of the day I can see it from both sides. We just disagree which is fine. You're still my boy Who you calling "boy"? QuoteI still look up to you as a skydiving mentor OK, I forgive you. QuoteAs I said the last time we debated issues of race and politics, the good thing is we both, I hope, have a greater understanding of one another. Oh I do hear you, understand your position, learn from this, and agree we willnever truely understand each other, but I hope we get closer by dialog like this..........................But Lee would stomp Kirk like a grape."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #118 June 9, 2005 QuoteI can see why you'd say it isn't fair. I honestly don't think they'll ever be a "fair" way to handle situations like that. It's unfortunate no matter how you look at it. It was fair before the mandate was instituted. Now it isnt fair. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KATO33 0 #119 June 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteOK heres the solution for the next 300 years Black owned companies shall have Free White labor. Whites shall not have the right to vote for the next 400 years. Whites shall not be taught to read or write or any formal education for the next 300 years. After 400 years Black shouldn't have any thing to complain about and we can call it even. I owe you nothing. White people do not owe you anything. Until you get over that and quit asking for special treatment...there will never be equality. Most of the racial problem is this kind of attitude. You missed my point completely. Blue Skies Black Death Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #120 June 9, 2005 QuoteBruce did beat Wilt Chamberlain and then only after having to go up the tower through 4 other guys. Wilt was kind of an alien. That was Kareem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #121 June 9, 2005 QuoteI can see why you'd say it isn't fair. I honestly don't think they'll ever be a "fair" way to handle situations like that. It's unfortunate no matter how you look at it. The fair thing would be to remove the age/sex/race block off of the form, and hire the person who is most qualified. I think we are headed in that direction, we are not there yet, but I think we are in that direction.....For example notice how many Black Males I work with? that would not have been that way 30 years ago."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #122 June 9, 2005 Quote"Quannell X and Tavis Smiley come to mind, but more to the point, so do you." I don't preach. We are different. Differences should be celebrated not ignored. Agreed--you don't preach. You seem to have the impression that I am one of those people who think cultural differences should be ignored. I'm not at all like that. Nor do I think that all differences should be celebrated. I think that everyone has every right to celebrate, ignore, or despise cultural differences. As far as I'm concerned, everyone can be as racist or non-racist as they want to be. If I don't like Japanese food--fine. If I don't like the Japanese culture--that's fine too. Same goes for any other culture, including the American black culture. Quote "Sure, you could say that but look at the intensity levels. I haven't heard of any asians rioting in the streets in this country." Which proves what? The comment was regarding animosity between different ethnic groups and the thought that tensions between American blacks and other groups seems to have a high level of intensity. Does it seem to you that American blacks are paranoid and seem to find (and complain about) racism even when none exists? Seems that way to me. I am not saying that racism doesn't exist--just that many accusations of racism seem very overblown. QuoteThe internet is the last place where I'd host a discussion like. Personally, I think it's the only sane place to have this kind of discussion. For many people, the topic is simply too emotional and discussions could get way out of hand unless the discussions are limited to just very small groups. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #123 June 9, 2005 Quote Of course they can do (almost) whatever the want. Does that make it right? Was it right for Jesse Jackson to form an alliance and threaten lawsuits and put pressure on the NFL to institute this sort of mandate? Of course it was right. It's every American's right to assemble and protest. If enough people support it to make the NFL (or whoever) fear consequences, their demands may be met. Didn't work yet for that woman at Augusta. I don't think forcing a token interview really helps the cause much. The problem lies with this large pool of fat old white losers who keep getting rehired, despite years of evidence that they can't win. Lot of owners seem prone to pick the safe medicre guy with years of experience, rather than a young up and comer who may flame out badly. When they die off or retire, I think the playing field will be much more level. If it's actually at 28%, that's a heck of a lot better than it was. It's in the college scene that football is in pretty bad shape. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #124 June 9, 2005 QuoteIt's not as if non qualified people get the jobs/positions in any case. You're right, but the problem is the perception. Janice Rogers Brown just got confirmed yesterday to the federal court. She has indicated that a key problem with AA is that there is a perception that it gets unqualified people ahead. She is personally against it. Then she is told by her detractors, "But affirmative action helped you get where you are." Her detractors never seem to realize by that saying it, they both make her point and delegitimize her accomplishments. By the way, there is now a great deal of talk around California legal water coolers about who the African American is that will replace her on the Cal Supreme Court. It's being argued as pretty much a given and political necessity to do so. Isn't tht a shame how many steps backwards our society takes every day in race relations because color is actually considered a dispositive factor? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #125 June 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteBruce did beat Wilt Chamberlain and then only after having to go up the tower through 4 other guys. Wilt was kind of an alien. That was Kareem. Crap, I think you're right there. I'll go hide away for a while now. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
