eflynn 0
Ron 10
It's not as if non qualified people get the jobs/positions in any case.
Problem that *does* happen.
My boss just took a job in Tx.
His peers are:
1. Black Male
2. Black Male
3. White Male
4.White Male
5. ? Male. (I think White, but don't really know...All I have even done is email him).
Now my boss's job is open....His boss (Black Male) has said he needs to hire a female to have "balance" according to HR. So the first round of interviews EVERY female that puts in a packet will get interviewed, but not all males....Is that fair?
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
eflynn 0
"OK, and I will agree to a certain extent. The fact your G-G grandad was slave did not effect your ability to got to school. It did not effect the ability of the guy that dropped out either....Why did you make it, and they did not? You both have g-g grandparents that were slaves?"
Directly no. It's bigger than that though. Here's my point... Take the child of a just freed slave and the child of a former slave owner. Their mentalities, outlook on the world, opportunities ect are completely different. As time goes on and the kids have kids and their kids have kids in theory all of those things should become more similar than different. Fast forward to today... some of those differences still exist even if they exist differently. Some of the former differences are now the same. My point is because we started differently we'll probably end up differently. I'm not saying the guy dropped out because of these differences. If he quit he quit for whatever reason he had.
"Your nuts...Kirk was a flabby guy that had cool toys. His double ax handle gimmick he GOT from Lee....Lee was a bad muther fucker, Kirk was a pretty boy"
Kirk beat alien's asses. I watched him beat the shit out of a mini godzilla. When was the last time Bruce Lee beat an alien? Never. Bruce was tight, but Kirk was fresh.
"No, but I don't think they discriminate against coaches or office help either.
You think Airspeed should have to have a black guy?"
If you don't think they discriminate against white lineman then there's no need to discuss a mandatory tryout for white lineman.
No I don't think Airspeed needs a Black guy.
Look man, at the end of the day I can see it from both sides. We just disagree which is fine. You're still my boy and I still look up to you as a skydiving mentor. As I said the last time we debated issues of race and politics, the good thing is we both, I hope, have a greater understanding of one another.
Directly no. It's bigger than that though. Here's my point... Take the child of a just freed slave and the child of a former slave owner. Their mentalities, outlook on the world, opportunities ect are completely different. As time goes on and the kids have kids and their kids have kids in theory all of those things should become more similar than different. Fast forward to today... some of those differences still exist even if they exist differently. Some of the former differences are now the same. My point is because we started differently we'll probably end up differently. I'm not saying the guy dropped out because of these differences. If he quit he quit for whatever reason he had.
"Your nuts...Kirk was a flabby guy that had cool toys. His double ax handle gimmick he GOT from Lee....Lee was a bad muther fucker, Kirk was a pretty boy"
Kirk beat alien's asses. I watched him beat the shit out of a mini godzilla. When was the last time Bruce Lee beat an alien? Never. Bruce was tight, but Kirk was fresh.
"No, but I don't think they discriminate against coaches or office help either.
You think Airspeed should have to have a black guy?"
If you don't think they discriminate against white lineman then there's no need to discuss a mandatory tryout for white lineman.
No I don't think Airspeed needs a Black guy.
Look man, at the end of the day I can see it from both sides. We just disagree which is fine. You're still my boy and I still look up to you as a skydiving mentor. As I said the last time we debated issues of race and politics, the good thing is we both, I hope, have a greater understanding of one another.
rehmwa 2
Kirk beat alien's asses. I watched him beat the shit out of a mini godzilla. When was the last time Bruce Lee beat an alien? Never. Bruce was tight, but Kirk was fresh.
Bruce did beat Wilt Chamberlain and then only after having to go up the tower through 4 other guys. Wilt was kind of an alien.
But Kirk got lucky with a green hottie. Hard to beat that.
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
eflynn 0
"Quannell X and Tavis Smiley come to mind, but more to the point, so do you."
I don't preach. We are different. Differences should be celebrated not ignored.
"The divisiveness dims our focus. The government has found terror cells in this country."
Ok.
"Sure, you could say that but look at the intensity levels. I haven't heard of any asians rioting in the streets in this country."
Which proves what?
"I agree that seeing others' perspective is important, but disagree with the rest. Take this thread as an example. As far as I can tell, nobody has changed their views. These dialogs are, except for their entertainment value, a waste of time, IMO."
The internet is the last place where I'd host a discussion like.
I don't preach. We are different. Differences should be celebrated not ignored.
"The divisiveness dims our focus. The government has found terror cells in this country."
Ok.
"Sure, you could say that but look at the intensity levels. I haven't heard of any asians rioting in the streets in this country."
Which proves what?
"I agree that seeing others' perspective is important, but disagree with the rest. Take this thread as an example. As far as I can tell, nobody has changed their views. These dialogs are, except for their entertainment value, a waste of time, IMO."
The internet is the last place where I'd host a discussion like.
eflynn 0
I can see why you'd say it isn't fair. I honestly don't think they'll ever be a "fair" way to handle situations like that. It's unfortunate no matter how you look at it.
eflynn 0
True enough. Kirk was still the hardest though.
Ron 10
My point is because we started differently we'll probably end up differently.
I can see that, but I think that as time goes forward, unless people hold a grudge, differences become less important, or even dissapear.
Kirk beat alien's asses. I watched him beat the shit out of a mini godzilla. When was the last time Bruce Lee beat an alien? Never. Bruce was tight, but Kirk was fresh.
When was the last time Kirk beat a whole damn Island like my boy Lee did?...I'll give it up to Kirk for nailing the green chick, but we are talking about fighting, not laying the pipe.
If you don't think they discriminate against white lineman then there's no need to discuss a mandatory tryout for white lineman.
I don't think they are discriminating against black coaches either...But its OK to make people interview blacks for jobs they are in the minority...But why not make people interview whites in the same situation?
Look man, at the end of the day I can see it from both sides. We just disagree which is fine. You're still my boy
Who you calling "boy"?
I still look up to you as a skydiving mentor
OK, I forgive you.
As I said the last time we debated issues of race and politics, the good thing is we both, I hope, have a greater understanding of one another.
Oh I do hear you, understand your position, learn from this, and agree we willnever truely understand each other, but I hope we get closer by dialog like this..........................But Lee would stomp Kirk like a grape.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
funks 1
I can see why you'd say it isn't fair. I honestly don't think they'll ever be a "fair" way to handle situations like that. It's unfortunate no matter how you look at it.
It was fair before the mandate was instituted. Now it isnt fair.
KATO33 0
OK heres the solution for the next 300 years Black owned companies shall have Free White labor.
Whites shall not have the right to vote for the next 400 years.
Whites shall not be taught to read or write or any formal education for the next 300 years.
After 400 years Black shouldn't have any thing to complain about and we can call it even.
I owe you nothing. White people do not owe you anything. Until you get over that and quit asking for special treatment...there will never be equality.
Most of the racial problem is this kind of attitude.
You missed my point completely.
Blue Skies Black Death
Bruce did beat Wilt Chamberlain and then only after having to go up the tower through 4 other guys. Wilt was kind of an alien.
That was Kareem.
Ron 10
I can see why you'd say it isn't fair. I honestly don't think they'll ever be a "fair" way to handle situations like that. It's unfortunate no matter how you look at it.
The fair thing would be to remove the age/sex/race block off of the form, and hire the person who is most qualified.
I think we are headed in that direction, we are not there yet, but I think we are in that direction.....For example notice how many Black Males I work with? that would not have been that way 30 years ago.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
"Quannell X and Tavis Smiley come to mind, but more to the point, so do you."
I don't preach. We are different. Differences should be celebrated not ignored.
Agreed--you don't preach. You seem to have the impression that I am one of those people who think cultural differences should be ignored. I'm not at all like that. Nor do I think that all differences should be celebrated. I think that everyone has every right to celebrate, ignore, or despise cultural differences. As far as I'm concerned, everyone can be as racist or non-racist as they want to be. If I don't like Japanese food--fine. If I don't like the Japanese culture--that's fine too. Same goes for any other culture, including the American black culture.
"Sure, you could say that but look at the intensity levels. I haven't heard of any asians rioting in the streets in this country."
Which proves what?
The comment was regarding animosity between different ethnic groups and the thought that tensions between American blacks and other groups seems to have a high level of intensity. Does it seem to you that American blacks are paranoid and seem to find (and complain about) racism even when none exists? Seems that way to me. I am not saying that racism doesn't exist--just that many accusations of racism seem very overblown.
The internet is the last place where I'd host a discussion like.
Personally, I think it's the only sane place to have this kind of discussion. For many people, the topic is simply too emotional and discussions could get way out of hand unless the discussions are limited to just very small groups.
Walt
Of course they can do (almost) whatever the want. Does that make it right? Was it right for Jesse Jackson to form an alliance and threaten lawsuits and put pressure on the NFL to institute this sort of mandate?
Of course it was right. It's every American's right to assemble and protest. If enough people support it to make the NFL (or whoever) fear consequences, their demands may be met. Didn't work yet for that woman at Augusta.
I don't think forcing a token interview really helps the cause much. The problem lies with this large pool of fat old white losers who keep getting rehired, despite years of evidence that they can't win. Lot of owners seem prone to pick the safe medicre guy with years of experience, rather than a young up and comer who may flame out badly. When they die off or retire, I think the playing field will be much more level. If it's actually at 28%, that's a heck of a lot better than it was. It's in the college scene that football is in pretty bad shape.
It's not as if non qualified people get the jobs/positions in any case.
You're right, but the problem is the perception.
Janice Rogers Brown just got confirmed yesterday to the federal court. She has indicated that a key problem with AA is that there is a perception that it gets unqualified people ahead. She is personally against it.
Then she is told by her detractors, "But affirmative action helped you get where you are." Her detractors never seem to realize by that saying it, they both make her point and delegitimize her accomplishments.
By the way, there is now a great deal of talk around California legal water coolers about who the African American is that will replace her on the Cal Supreme Court. It's being argued as pretty much a given and political necessity to do so.
Isn't tht a shame how many steps backwards our society takes every day in race relations because color is actually considered a dispositive factor?
My wife is hotter than your wife.
rehmwa 2
Crap, I think you're right there. I'll go hide away for a while now.
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
It's not as if non qualified people get the jobs/positions in any case.
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