kelpdiver 2 #151 June 9, 2005 Quote>He died from a fall. Didn't he die like 12 times? The last time was in that somewhat icky Generations movie. We were lead to believe he died at the beginning, but instead he went to some nirvana. Don't think he ever actually 'died' before then. As for Kirk versus Lee, you have to pick the timeframe. Kirk in 1967 is rather different from Kirk in 69, or the movies, or the recent priceline ads where his face is bursting with fat cells. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #152 June 9, 2005 QuoteCloud, huh? He died from a fall. He died 1st during a test cruze if the Enterprise "B" an Excelsior class ship. I think it was an energy thingy...Later thought to be the Nexus. He died a second time falling from a cliff. BTW for real wierdos out there....Anyone like Richard Bach (Jonathan Livingston Seagull) Well he wrote a book about his relationship with Leslie Parrish called The Bridge Accross Forever and she was also in One. Anyhoo, She played a character in a Star Trek Episode in season 2 called Who Mourns for Adonais?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #153 June 9, 2005 QuoteAs for Kirk versus Lee, you have to pick the timeframe. Kirk in 1967 is rather different from Kirk in 69, or the movies, or the recent priceline ads where his face is bursting with fat cells. I think we should consider "Prime vs Prime". After all Bruce is dead and even Fat Ass Kirk could beat up an already dead guy."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #155 June 9, 2005 QuoteSelling out views, notions, beliefs that the masses feel are inherent to that particular group. Okay. Now, if you'll look at my post to which you are replying, you'll see that I stated that "the trap is being set." It's not too clearly visible. It's in white writing. It's something that you apparently overlooked twice. But it's there. And set a trap I did. You've indicated a big problem. The masses (or, more accurately, a particular group) feel that there are certain "views, notions, beliefs" inherent in that group. This is the root of the race card. This is the root of bigotry. This treats Clarence Thomas, Janice Rogers Brown, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, and any of a number of other black thinkers as "intellectual slaves." What it says is, "Clarence Thomas!!! You are allowed to think only what you are told to think." Is there a "black" way of thinking? Is there a "white" way of thinking? Is there a "Mexican" way of thinking? No. There is not. My guess is that you've got some viewpoints that many in the black community would disagree with. Many would accuse you of not thinking as a balck man should think. That would make you a "sell out." The only person that you can sell out is yourself. Clarence Thomas thinks the way HE wants to think, and nobody can tell him how he is supposed to think. Simply because he thinks for himself as opposed to thinking what he is told to think should not be held against anybody. David Duke would tell a black man that he shouldn't be allowed to think for himself. So would Tom Metzger. It appears that this is something large portions of the black community (and leadership) have in common with asshole white supremacists. It boggles my mind that anybody could tell a person how he should think. THIS is the pressure that is put on people NOT to succeed. Doing so on your own terms could result in your being labeled and hated. Clarence Thomas called his confirmation hearings "a high tech lynching." After what you said about "selling out views, notions, beliefs that the masses feel are inherent to that particulaur group," can you get an idea about why I believe that we are moving backwards every day with our pursuti for equality? Clearly, Clarence Thomas is less equal in the eyes of many blacks... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #156 June 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteThere's a difference between wanting someone to look at you as a person as opposed to wanting someone to not see you're Black. Now, I didn't read that paper, but whites call poor whites "trailer trash"...Do you think that makes them trying to hide they are white? And I remember the Anita hill bit...It was very close to a political Lynching. He thought he was being messed with since he was Black.....I tend to agree. I think the analogy is close. So, if you don't take pride in being black, you are a sell out? I understand the comparison you're trying to make but the term "porch monkey" isn't something Black people ever call or say to each other. Ever. It's a derogatory term used by racists which is why it was so shocking to hear it used by a Black person. The only detail I really remember about the case was the "pubic hair in my Coke" thing. The irony of the case contrasted with the tone of the paper was it seemed as much as he seemed to detest his blackness he so ready to say "Hey, stop fucking with me because I'm Black." It seemed to some that he was using his blackness as a thing of convienence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #157 June 9, 2005 Quote He died 1st during a test cruze if the Enterprise "B" an Excelsior class ship. I think it was an energy thingy...Later thought to be the Nexus. He died a second time falling from a cliff. He didn't die, he went to the nexus. Only thought to be dead by those on the ship. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #158 June 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote ***Jesse Jackson strikes me as far more about self promotion than something greater, but good for him on this cause. He wanted something and he made it happen. So you are basically saying that racism is acceptable as long as it is disguised or perceived as doing something positive for a specific race? His demands for interviews didn't take opportunity away from anyone else, so while requiring interviews for minority coaches qualifies under the broad definition of racism, no, it doesn't worry me. You avoided the greater portion of my posting, so I'll repeat it again. The NFL is selling a product and its consumers can make any demands they want. It's a market economy, baby. I think the problem will fix itself in time, but not everyone has to wait if they don't want to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #159 June 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteSelling out views, notions, beliefs that the masses feel are inherent to that particular group. Okay. Now, if you'll look at my post to which you are replying, you'll see that I stated that "the trap is being set." It's not too clearly visible. It's in white writing. It's something that you apparently overlooked twice. But it's there. And set a trap I did. You've indicated a big problem. The masses (or, more accurately, a particular group) feel that there are certain "views, notions, beliefs" inherent in that group. This is the root of the race card. This is the root of bigotry. This treats Clarence Thomas, Janice Rogers Brown, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, and any of a number of other black thinkers as "intellectual slaves." What it says is, "Clarence Thomas!!! You are allowed to think only what you are told to think." Is there a "black" way of thinking? Is there a "white" way of thinking? Is there a "Mexican" way of thinking? No. There is not. My guess is that you've got some viewpoints that many in the black community would disagree with. Many would accuse you of not thinking as a balck man should think. That would make you a "sell out." The only person that you can sell out is yourself. Clarence Thomas thinks the way HE wants to think, and nobody can tell him how he is supposed to think. Simply because he thinks for himself as opposed to thinking what he is told to think should not be held against anybody. David Duke would tell a black man that he shouldn't be allowed to think for himself. So would Tom Metzger. It appears that this is something large portions of the black community (and leadership) have in common with asshole white supremacists. It boggles my mind that anybody could tell a person how he should think. THIS is the pressure that is put on people NOT to succeed. Doing so on your own terms could result in your being labeled and hated. Clarence Thomas called his confirmation hearings "a high tech lynching." After what you said about "selling out views, notions, beliefs that the masses feel are inherent to that particulaur group," can you get an idea about why I believe that we are moving backwards every day with our pursuti for equality? Clearly, Clarence Thomas is less equal in the eyes of many blacks... I understand what you're saying and some of it I agree with. First, I think you'll find far more Black people who are at odds with Clarence Thomas' thinking than everyone else you've mentioned. I don't think it's so much "This is what you're to say and think Mr Thomas" as it is "Remember us? The people who comprised the community you grew up in? People just like you." I've never been referred to as a sellout by anyone but people who know me do recognize I'm not "your average Black man." I think there's plenty of room to think differently, and to have opposing viewpoints and still have a similar goal in mind or a similar concern. Where the sellout notion comes into play is having a viewpoint that's cancerous to those like you. Call it right, call it wrong but there's a difference. About leadership and thinking... You've made some interesting comments. One of the biggest problems I have with people in general (I talk about this with my friends all the time) is the apparent inability to think intelligently. When I watch the news I always find myself yelling "Figure it out! Think!" It's definitely apparent in the Black community. That coupled with the lack of actual leadership is a recipe for disaster. Jesse Jackson is only leading the people who are marching behind him. People are either indifferent or anti Jesse more than pro Jesse (Not that you mentioned him but he's one of our supposed "leaders"). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #160 June 9, 2005 I understand what you are saying. I spent the first 6 years of my life in section 8 housing. I remember it vividly. There are a couple of my friends that I grew up with after we moved to our ramshackle dump house that are "on disability" right now. I was in high school a pretty conservative guy (I rebelled against my parents that way). I wasn't a sell-out back then. I just viewed things differently. There was no set way I was supposed to think. I don't think African Americans should be held to any particular thought process. I don't think it's a "black thing" to refer to women as "bitches" and all friends and enemies as "niggaz." And yet, I still consider it one of my greatest compliments when I used to make deliveries and pickups in Compton (which is not that bad of a place - go north a couple of miles and it gets bad, though). I'd just mind my own business and there was always these same dudes on the corner. After a couple of weeks I got a nod from one of them. About a week later, I got a "'Sup." A couple of weeks later, I got a "'Sup, nigga." I knew I was okay there. Still, that was an individual thing, and not a reflection of what the community thought of me. It was just him. I also believe that Jesse Jackson represents African Americans as much as David Duke or Tom Metzger represent whites. The NAACP is also not the official messenger of the black ethos. The PROBLEM is that they think they are, and in the power game, they'll put down those who dare to think differently or use a different method. Still, great posts! My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #161 June 10, 2005 There's a difference between not being suited for the military and just not being able to handle "a job". Someone in the military who can't handle the stress of a battlefield puts lives at risk. If someone isn't cut out for that kind of mental and physical stress, they don't belong there, because then they put an added burden and risk on the rest of the soldiers. A soldier needs to be able to rely on the other soldiers in his team, that they'll be there to back him up and not turn tail and run. There are many people out there who can handle it and make good soldiers. There are, however, some who can't, and if they can't, they don't belong where they put those who can at additional risk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #162 June 10, 2005 Ok eflynn, what do you have to say about this.... The NFL mandates one black person be interviewed for any head coach opening. Did you know that the Lions contacted NUMEROUS black candidates and wanted to interview them? The black candidates opted not to accept the offer to interview because they knew the Lions already had somebody in mind for the job. The lions attempted to do what they have been mandated to but were not able to due to circumstances beyond their control. Yet they were still fined 200K. Is that fair to the lions organization? They got fucked out of 200K even though they tried to do what jackson deems best for the league. These guys (black candidates) felt they were basically a 3rd quote (sales speak for needing something to satisfy a requirement) and wanted nothing to do with it. Could that have perhaps created more tension? I would be ashamed and embarassed of a leader if he was representing me solely based on skin color. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #163 June 10, 2005 QuoteOk eflynn, what do you have to say about this.... The NFL mandates one black person be interviewed for any head coach opening. Did you know that the Lions contacted NUMEROUS black candidates and wanted to interview them? The black candidates opted not to accept the offer to interview because they knew the Lions already had somebody in mind for the job. The lions attempted to do what they have been mandated to but were not able to due to circumstances beyond their control. Yet they were still fined 200K. Is that fair to the lions organization? They got fucked out of 200K even though they tried to do what jackson deems best for the league. These guys (black candidates) felt they were basically a 3rd quote (sales speak for needing something to satisfy a requirement) and wanted nothing to do with it. Could that have perhaps created more tension? I would be ashamed and embarassed of a leader if he was representing me solely based on skin color. If that's what actually happened I don't think the fine is fair. But we're not debating the fine, we're debating the policy. I doubt it created more tension as the 200k didn't come out of any one person's pocket. As far as being "ashamed and embarassed of a leader if he was representing me solely based on skin color" I really don't understand what you're saying. I've already discussed how I felt about Jesse Jackson. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eaglenrider 0 #164 June 10, 2005 Quote[replyone of the first things that went through my head was "Being Black you don't get smart with cops unless you want to get fucked up or fucked with. That right there is your problem. Why did you bring your skin color into the cop situation??? What does being black have to do with mouthing off to a cop and facing the consequences??? __________________________________________________ Hey Funks, Ever hear of racial profiling? Did it ever "piss you off"? It ain't no made up thang. It happens all the time , today, in America. Don't try to tell me that all is "right" and "you people just need to buck up". The fact is that there is still discrimination in America and you "white folk" don't even realize it. Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #165 June 10, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf that's what actually happened I don't think the fine is fair. But we're not debating the fine, we're debating the policy. The fine is a direct result of the policy. If the policy didnt exist the fine never would have happened. QuoteI doubt it created more tension as the 200k didn't come out of any one person's pocket. Do you think the black coaches that were contacted for interviews really felt good about themselves under the circumstances? They didnt even bother to accept the invitations to interview. Sort of being a 3rd wheel, you cant help but to feel a little bit useless. Without the policy that never would have happened. Quote I really don't understand what you're saying. I've already discussed how I felt about Jesse Jackson. Yes, you did state your feelings. I was simply saying i would be embarassed and ashamed of such a leader. I did not mean to imply you support jackson. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eaglenrider 0 #166 June 10, 2005 And yet, I still consider it one of my greatest compliments when I used to make deliveries and pickups in Compton (which is not that bad of a place - go north a couple of miles and it gets bad, though). I'd just mind my own business and there was always these same dudes on the corner. After a couple of weeks I got a nod from one of them. About a week later, I got a "'Sup." A couple of weeks later, I got a "'Sup, nigga." WTF? "Sup, nigga" is the "greatest compliment" you ever recieved? James, your lily white ass is frontin'! Da besttest compliment you ever recieved in yo' life was when some corner street nigga said, "Sup, nigga"? I am in stitches here! Were you able to procure a photogragh to commemorate the occasion? LOL!! "Sup, nigga? LOL!!!!!! "Sup" "nigga" LOL!!!! Was it really so much a compliment or did that comment just lead you to believe that you weren't likely to get robbed and raped that evening? "Sup" LOL! Blues, cLIFF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #167 June 10, 2005 Quote Hey Funks, Ever hear of racial profiling? Did it ever "piss you off"? It ain't no made up thang. It happens all the time , today, in America. Racial profiling exists for a reason. Think about what i am saying. In todays day and age we are forced to rely on racial profiling to PREVENT crimes. In some circumstances it is wrong. If a racist white police officer pulls over a black man simply because he is black than that is wrong. If TSA pays a little more attention to a middle eastern person at a airport security check in I believe it is 100% warranted. If I drive through a predominantly black neighborhood where a white guy has recently commited a crime and i get pulled over because i am white then i can completely understand and only hope the situation is dealt with properly. What I have a problem with is people who cry racial profiling in every instance. Sure the shit happens, to all races. However, it is all too commonly used as an excuse with no merit to back it up whatsoever. Quote you "white folk" don't even realize it. You would be surprised how many "white folk" understand it. Ever hear of the boy who cried wolf? If the skin color excuse is used to many times in to many different situations you cant help but to start calling bullshit. That is what is happening nowadays. Skin color is being used as in excuse in all aspects of our lives. Maybe (big maybe) some of it is warranted, problem is the majority of it isnt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #168 June 10, 2005 The fine is the result of a misintrepertation of the policy. If there are no Black candidates then there's nobody for the team to interview. Simple as that. I'm sure the Black coaches who declined the interviews are doing just fine. I doubt they sat at home and cried about being offered an interview. Maybe you'd feel useless but I doubt they would. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #169 June 10, 2005 Quote If there are no Black candidates then there's nobody for the team to interview. Simple as that. Bingo, now you are starting to understand. What if there are no black candidates? According to the mandate they better go out and fucking find one or face a fine. This has been my point all along, what if there is nobody qualified that happens to be black? Is that such a major problem or ordeal? Or could it perhaps be a fact of the lay of the land within the coaching candidate environment? Hummm, once again, lets use the running back example. Is it the black mans fault that the majority (if not all) of the superstar athletes in this position happen to have black skin? If jackson ever sets his sights on nascar the shit could get really ugly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eaglenrider 0 #170 June 10, 2005 Quote Quote Hey Funks, Ever hear of racial profiling? Did it ever "piss you off"? It ain't no made up thang. It happens all the time , today, in America. Racial profiling exists for a reason. Think about what i am saying. In todays day and age we are forced to rely on racial profiling to PREVENT crimes. _________________________________________________ Funks, I'm talking about the racial profiling along our interstate highway system by state patrolmen. This has nothing to do with crime "PREVENT"ion. It has to do with the preconcieved notion that Blacks are criminals and that blacks driving on the interstate are more than likely involved in criminal actions. We call it "Driving while Black". You still think that all things are equal? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #171 June 10, 2005 QuoteFunks, I'm talking about the racial profiling along our interstate highway system by state patrolmen. This has nothing to do with crime "PREVENT"ion. Or could this perhaps be a prime example of black people assuming their skin color is the reason for their hardships? Or perhaps could the statistics below show why this MAYBE SOMETIMES happens? QuoteIt has to do with the preconcieved notion that Blacks are criminals and that blacks driving on the interstate are more than likely involved in criminal actions. We call it "Driving while Black". You still think that all things are equal? Yes. I guess based on your reasoning all whites cannot dance and walk around with pocket protectors? How about considering this. I live in DC. There is a very high crime rate and that crime rate is attributed primarily to black people. That is a fact. Check out the prison population statistics nationwide. Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 28% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 16% of Hispanic males and 4.4% of white males. http://www.radford.edu/~junnever/bw.htm Based on statistics I understand if and when racial profiling takes place why it does so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eaglenrider 0 #172 June 10, 2005 Yes. I guess based on your reasoning all whites cannot dance and walk around with pocket protectors? How about considering this. I live in DC. There is a very high crime rate and that crime rate is attributed primarily to black people. That is a fact. Check out the prison population statistics nationwide. __________________________________________________ Oh I see, Your argument is that since more blacks are incarcerated , the blacks are more predisposed to be criminal. I wonder ,Funks, if you ever considered any of the socioeconomic factors involved ? Do blacks have the same resources to legal representation as th "equivalent "white? As we have established that blacks are more likely to be pulled over due to nothing other than their skin color.we would have to expect incarceration numbers to reflect a higher percentage of blacks. __________________________________________________ Based on statistics I understand if and when racial profiling takes place why it does so. _________________________________________________ But you aren't *racist*, are you ,Funks? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #173 June 10, 2005 QuoteHe didn't die, he went to the nexus. Only thought to be dead by those on the ship. Ok you are making me actually do research on this....You are gonna regret that. http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/character/1112496.html If you look at his profile you will see TWO dates of death. QuoteDate of death: 2293/2371* Place of death: Enterprise-B in Nexus/Veridian III* Also, Quote While on the ceremonial christening of the U.S.S. Enterprise-B, Kirk disappeared into the Nexus, a temporal ribbon in which he has a timeless, perfect life, and pronounced dead. However, in 2371, Captain Jean-Luc Picard persuaded him, amid endless Nexus fantasies, to help him to save Veridian III from the possessed El-Aurian, Dr. Tolian Soran. They stopped the madman's plot, but Kirk was killed in the fight and buried in a plain grave on the rocky planet. Now if his "Official" records have him dying twice....He died twice. Debate all ya want....His records have him dying twice...And how do you know that being in the Nexus was not death?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #174 June 10, 2005 QuoteThere's a difference between not being suited for the military and just not being able to handle "a job". Not really. You could say that people are not suited to any particular job...And you would be right. But that means nothing. If you want the carrot at the end of the ride, you keep moving even if you don't enjoy it. QuoteSomeone in the military who can't handle the stress of a battlefield puts lives at risk Well, yeah, but the problem is you never know WHO can handle it till it happens....And then some of those that can't handle it....Do anyway. Hell, I never met a man that LIKED combat. QuoteIf someone isn't cut out for that kind of mental and physical stress, they don't belong there, because then they put an added burden and risk on the rest of the soldiers. A soldier needs to be able to rely on the other soldiers in his team, that they'll be there to back him up and not turn tail and run. Same could be said of ANY job. QuoteThere are many people out there who can handle it and make good soldiers. There are, however, some who can't, and if they can't, they don't belong where they put those who can at additional risk. Who said put them there? I said it is an option if you want it bad enough, and no matter what you think or say it IS an option."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #175 June 10, 2005 QuoteOh I see, Your argument is that since more blacks are incarcerated , the blacks are more predisposed to be criminal. If I were a cop and I was told a violent assult was just commited and I have the choice of going after three people: 1. A 20-30 yo black man wearing "colors" 2. A 78 year old white woman with a walker. 3. A 30 yo white male in a business suit and with a briefcase.... Lets see, who should I stop? The thing is even if the black guy was guilty he would claim that I pulled him over since he was black and I am a racist. If I am trying to prevent another 9/11....Do I stop: 1. A black man in his 80's. 2. A middle eastern man in his 20-30's with a beard. 3. A white guy with a pocket protector and a slide rule. Profiling works, cops agree. QuoteBut you aren't *racist*, are you ,Funks? 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eaglenrider 0 #166 June 10, 2005 And yet, I still consider it one of my greatest compliments when I used to make deliveries and pickups in Compton (which is not that bad of a place - go north a couple of miles and it gets bad, though). I'd just mind my own business and there was always these same dudes on the corner. After a couple of weeks I got a nod from one of them. About a week later, I got a "'Sup." A couple of weeks later, I got a "'Sup, nigga." WTF? "Sup, nigga" is the "greatest compliment" you ever recieved? James, your lily white ass is frontin'! Da besttest compliment you ever recieved in yo' life was when some corner street nigga said, "Sup, nigga"? I am in stitches here! Were you able to procure a photogragh to commemorate the occasion? LOL!! "Sup, nigga? LOL!!!!!! "Sup" "nigga" LOL!!!! Was it really so much a compliment or did that comment just lead you to believe that you weren't likely to get robbed and raped that evening? "Sup" LOL! Blues, cLIFF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #167 June 10, 2005 Quote Hey Funks, Ever hear of racial profiling? Did it ever "piss you off"? It ain't no made up thang. It happens all the time , today, in America. Racial profiling exists for a reason. Think about what i am saying. In todays day and age we are forced to rely on racial profiling to PREVENT crimes. In some circumstances it is wrong. If a racist white police officer pulls over a black man simply because he is black than that is wrong. If TSA pays a little more attention to a middle eastern person at a airport security check in I believe it is 100% warranted. If I drive through a predominantly black neighborhood where a white guy has recently commited a crime and i get pulled over because i am white then i can completely understand and only hope the situation is dealt with properly. What I have a problem with is people who cry racial profiling in every instance. Sure the shit happens, to all races. However, it is all too commonly used as an excuse with no merit to back it up whatsoever. Quote you "white folk" don't even realize it. You would be surprised how many "white folk" understand it. Ever hear of the boy who cried wolf? If the skin color excuse is used to many times in to many different situations you cant help but to start calling bullshit. That is what is happening nowadays. Skin color is being used as in excuse in all aspects of our lives. Maybe (big maybe) some of it is warranted, problem is the majority of it isnt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #168 June 10, 2005 The fine is the result of a misintrepertation of the policy. If there are no Black candidates then there's nobody for the team to interview. Simple as that. I'm sure the Black coaches who declined the interviews are doing just fine. I doubt they sat at home and cried about being offered an interview. Maybe you'd feel useless but I doubt they would. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #169 June 10, 2005 Quote If there are no Black candidates then there's nobody for the team to interview. Simple as that. Bingo, now you are starting to understand. What if there are no black candidates? According to the mandate they better go out and fucking find one or face a fine. This has been my point all along, what if there is nobody qualified that happens to be black? Is that such a major problem or ordeal? Or could it perhaps be a fact of the lay of the land within the coaching candidate environment? Hummm, once again, lets use the running back example. Is it the black mans fault that the majority (if not all) of the superstar athletes in this position happen to have black skin? If jackson ever sets his sights on nascar the shit could get really ugly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eaglenrider 0 #170 June 10, 2005 Quote Quote Hey Funks, Ever hear of racial profiling? Did it ever "piss you off"? It ain't no made up thang. It happens all the time , today, in America. Racial profiling exists for a reason. Think about what i am saying. In todays day and age we are forced to rely on racial profiling to PREVENT crimes. _________________________________________________ Funks, I'm talking about the racial profiling along our interstate highway system by state patrolmen. This has nothing to do with crime "PREVENT"ion. It has to do with the preconcieved notion that Blacks are criminals and that blacks driving on the interstate are more than likely involved in criminal actions. We call it "Driving while Black". You still think that all things are equal? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #171 June 10, 2005 QuoteFunks, I'm talking about the racial profiling along our interstate highway system by state patrolmen. This has nothing to do with crime "PREVENT"ion. Or could this perhaps be a prime example of black people assuming their skin color is the reason for their hardships? Or perhaps could the statistics below show why this MAYBE SOMETIMES happens? QuoteIt has to do with the preconcieved notion that Blacks are criminals and that blacks driving on the interstate are more than likely involved in criminal actions. We call it "Driving while Black". You still think that all things are equal? Yes. I guess based on your reasoning all whites cannot dance and walk around with pocket protectors? How about considering this. I live in DC. There is a very high crime rate and that crime rate is attributed primarily to black people. That is a fact. Check out the prison population statistics nationwide. Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 28% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 16% of Hispanic males and 4.4% of white males. http://www.radford.edu/~junnever/bw.htm Based on statistics I understand if and when racial profiling takes place why it does so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eaglenrider 0 #172 June 10, 2005 Yes. I guess based on your reasoning all whites cannot dance and walk around with pocket protectors? How about considering this. I live in DC. There is a very high crime rate and that crime rate is attributed primarily to black people. That is a fact. Check out the prison population statistics nationwide. __________________________________________________ Oh I see, Your argument is that since more blacks are incarcerated , the blacks are more predisposed to be criminal. I wonder ,Funks, if you ever considered any of the socioeconomic factors involved ? Do blacks have the same resources to legal representation as th "equivalent "white? As we have established that blacks are more likely to be pulled over due to nothing other than their skin color.we would have to expect incarceration numbers to reflect a higher percentage of blacks. __________________________________________________ Based on statistics I understand if and when racial profiling takes place why it does so. _________________________________________________ But you aren't *racist*, are you ,Funks? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #171 June 10, 2005 QuoteFunks, I'm talking about the racial profiling along our interstate highway system by state patrolmen. This has nothing to do with crime "PREVENT"ion. Or could this perhaps be a prime example of black people assuming their skin color is the reason for their hardships? Or perhaps could the statistics below show why this MAYBE SOMETIMES happens? QuoteIt has to do with the preconcieved notion that Blacks are criminals and that blacks driving on the interstate are more than likely involved in criminal actions. We call it "Driving while Black". You still think that all things are equal? Yes. I guess based on your reasoning all whites cannot dance and walk around with pocket protectors? How about considering this. I live in DC. There is a very high crime rate and that crime rate is attributed primarily to black people. That is a fact. Check out the prison population statistics nationwide. Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 28% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 16% of Hispanic males and 4.4% of white males. http://www.radford.edu/~junnever/bw.htm Based on statistics I understand if and when racial profiling takes place why it does so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eaglenrider 0 #172 June 10, 2005 Yes. I guess based on your reasoning all whites cannot dance and walk around with pocket protectors? How about considering this. I live in DC. There is a very high crime rate and that crime rate is attributed primarily to black people. That is a fact. Check out the prison population statistics nationwide. __________________________________________________ Oh I see, Your argument is that since more blacks are incarcerated , the blacks are more predisposed to be criminal. I wonder ,Funks, if you ever considered any of the socioeconomic factors involved ? Do blacks have the same resources to legal representation as th "equivalent "white? As we have established that blacks are more likely to be pulled over due to nothing other than their skin color.we would have to expect incarceration numbers to reflect a higher percentage of blacks. __________________________________________________ Based on statistics I understand if and when racial profiling takes place why it does so. _________________________________________________ But you aren't *racist*, are you ,Funks? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #173 June 10, 2005 QuoteHe didn't die, he went to the nexus. Only thought to be dead by those on the ship. Ok you are making me actually do research on this....You are gonna regret that. http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/character/1112496.html If you look at his profile you will see TWO dates of death. QuoteDate of death: 2293/2371* Place of death: Enterprise-B in Nexus/Veridian III* Also, Quote While on the ceremonial christening of the U.S.S. Enterprise-B, Kirk disappeared into the Nexus, a temporal ribbon in which he has a timeless, perfect life, and pronounced dead. However, in 2371, Captain Jean-Luc Picard persuaded him, amid endless Nexus fantasies, to help him to save Veridian III from the possessed El-Aurian, Dr. Tolian Soran. They stopped the madman's plot, but Kirk was killed in the fight and buried in a plain grave on the rocky planet. Now if his "Official" records have him dying twice....He died twice. Debate all ya want....His records have him dying twice...And how do you know that being in the Nexus was not death?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #174 June 10, 2005 QuoteThere's a difference between not being suited for the military and just not being able to handle "a job". Not really. You could say that people are not suited to any particular job...And you would be right. But that means nothing. If you want the carrot at the end of the ride, you keep moving even if you don't enjoy it. QuoteSomeone in the military who can't handle the stress of a battlefield puts lives at risk Well, yeah, but the problem is you never know WHO can handle it till it happens....And then some of those that can't handle it....Do anyway. Hell, I never met a man that LIKED combat. QuoteIf someone isn't cut out for that kind of mental and physical stress, they don't belong there, because then they put an added burden and risk on the rest of the soldiers. A soldier needs to be able to rely on the other soldiers in his team, that they'll be there to back him up and not turn tail and run. Same could be said of ANY job. QuoteThere are many people out there who can handle it and make good soldiers. There are, however, some who can't, and if they can't, they don't belong where they put those who can at additional risk. Who said put them there? I said it is an option if you want it bad enough, and no matter what you think or say it IS an option."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #175 June 10, 2005 QuoteOh I see, Your argument is that since more blacks are incarcerated , the blacks are more predisposed to be criminal. If I were a cop and I was told a violent assult was just commited and I have the choice of going after three people: 1. A 20-30 yo black man wearing "colors" 2. A 78 year old white woman with a walker. 3. A 30 yo white male in a business suit and with a briefcase.... Lets see, who should I stop? The thing is even if the black guy was guilty he would claim that I pulled him over since he was black and I am a racist. If I am trying to prevent another 9/11....Do I stop: 1. A black man in his 80's. 2. A middle eastern man in his 20-30's with a beard. 3. A white guy with a pocket protector and a slide rule. Profiling works, cops agree. QuoteBut you aren't *racist*, are you ,Funks? That is very close to an attack...I got warned for the same thing."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
