billvon 3,058
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Would both of you please stop calling each other names?
funks 1
QuoteQuoteGeneral question for you.
When whites are discriminated against what should we do?
I don't know thats why I asked the question.
Discrimination against whites is documented on a daily basis, yet nobody views it as such (AA, EEOP, etc..). At least the black man has the ability to declare discrimination and have it possibly taken somewhat serious. If a white man cries discrimination it is brushed under the carpet.
KATO33 0
QuoteThe easiest thing to do is to let everyone know what assholes the people who discriminate are. For example, if a business discriminates against blacks, then simply don't go there. Also, tell your buddies not to go there. Let them tell everyone else. Money talks.
Thus the need for NAACP, PUSH,...etc. Those organization have the resources to bring national attention to the "assholes". My buddies and Myself not supporting a Wal-Mart, Target, or General Motors wouldn't do much to change their policies.
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KATO33 0
QuoteTom could tell some stories about what racism was 30 years ago.
Are you implying the racism that exist today isn't worth fighting against?
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Michele 1
QuoteYou wonder why the progeny of the slaves steal your cars and rape your women?
Wow. What a comment. It speaks volumes about how you view the progeny of slaves, now doesn't it?
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Michele
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funks 1
QuoteQuoteTom could tell some stories about what racism was 30 years ago.
Are you implying the racism that exist today isn't worth fighting against?
All racism is worth fighting against. Problem is the black man feels he has it worst off then any other race and that he deserves hand outs because of it. There is too much self pity taking place.
QuoteAre you implying the racism that exist today isn't worth fighting against?
Nope. I am not. That statement is like saying if we're not willing to nuke the hell out of the middle east, we shouldn't even bother. Just because someone does not support turning the middle east into a "glass parking lot" does not mean that person doesn't think somethign should be done, i.e., diplomacy.
50 years ago, the fight against racism demanded the nuclear option and got it. Using the same tactics against today's discriminations as we did during previous forms of discrimination causes resentment.
Some people call others Nazis today. This tends not only to elevate people's conduct to that of a Nazi (which is pretty strong) but also tends to lessen the impact of what the Nazis did.
You cannot compare the racism of today with the racism of yesterday, and what I'm syaing is that it is imprudent to bring howitzers to a fist fight. Don't call a fistfight a holocaust and you'll get much further...
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billvon 3,058
>50 years ago, the fight against racism demanded the nuclear option
> and got it. Using the same tactics against today's discriminations as
> we did during previous forms of discrimination causes resentment.
I agree.
There seem to be two sides to this debate. One side claims the problems are as bad as ever, and we still need nuclear weapons to fight it. The other side claims it's time to completely disarm because the problem is nonexistent. I think we're somewhere in between. We no longer need the nukes, but there is still a place for handguns.
To get more concrete, there are people alive today who were denied education because they were black. It makes sense to me to give these people preferential treatment in employment. To put it at a very basic level, we screwed them and we owe it to them. To say that treating them differently is racism is like claiming that awarding damages to rape victims is sexism.
That being said, there will someday come a day when people of all races and sexes (and sexual preferences as well) will be treated equally, and will have been treated equally all their lives. At that point we can stop with the affirmative action stuff, because finally everyone will start out on a somewhat level field. That will be a good day, but we're not quite there yet.
> and got it. Using the same tactics against today's discriminations as
> we did during previous forms of discrimination causes resentment.
I agree.
There seem to be two sides to this debate. One side claims the problems are as bad as ever, and we still need nuclear weapons to fight it. The other side claims it's time to completely disarm because the problem is nonexistent. I think we're somewhere in between. We no longer need the nukes, but there is still a place for handguns.
To get more concrete, there are people alive today who were denied education because they were black. It makes sense to me to give these people preferential treatment in employment. To put it at a very basic level, we screwed them and we owe it to them. To say that treating them differently is racism is like claiming that awarding damages to rape victims is sexism.
That being said, there will someday come a day when people of all races and sexes (and sexual preferences as well) will be treated equally, and will have been treated equally all their lives. At that point we can stop with the affirmative action stuff, because finally everyone will start out on a somewhat level field. That will be a good day, but we're not quite there yet.
QuoteTo get more concrete, there are people alive today who were denied education because they were black. It makes sense to me to give these people preferential treatment in employment. To put it at a very basic level, we screwed them and we owe it to them.
What should the cut-off age be? Should we say that if you are over 35 you get preferential traetment and if you are under 35 you don't? Oh, wait, that would be age discrimination. So you are now suggesting we solve race discrimination with age discrimination?
rehmwa 2
QuoteWe no longer need the nukes, but there is still a place for handguns.
Great, now it's a gun thread...
Quotethere are people alive today who were denied education because they were black. It makes sense to me to give these people preferential treatment in employment.
That's a poor link - It makes better sense to me to get them the education they were screwed on before. Not preferential treatment in jobs. The education will achieve that without screwing over both the other applicants and the employers.
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KATO33 0
QuoteAll racism is worth fighting against. Problem is the black man feels he has it worst off then any other race and that he deserves hand outs because of it. There is too much self pity taking place.
I don't think anyone is requesting a handout what we are demanding is equal opportunity.
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Ron 10
QuoteI don't think anyone is requesting a handout what we are demanding is equal opportunity.
AA by its very definition is not EQUAL.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
funks 1
QuoteQuoteAll racism is worth fighting against. Problem is the black man feels he has it worst off then any other race and that he deserves hand outs because of it. There is too much self pity taking place.
I don't think anyone is requesting a handout what we are demanding is equal opportunity.
You dont consider a mandate to interview at least one black candidate for certain NFL positions a hand out? What about the comments in this thread about retribution being owed from the slavery days? Would that not be a hand out if it were to take place?
You dont consider a black man getting a job in place of a white man simply because of his skin color in order to appease certain govt regulations regarding hiring "minorities" a hand out?
The black man has the same chances at equal opportunity as the white man. Problem is the black man is forcing society to provide special treatment, not equal treatment.
KATO33 0
QuoteThe black man has the same chances at equal opportunity as the white man.........................
Really ......if this were true this thread would never exist.
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funks 1
QuoteQuoteThe black man has the same chances at equal opportunity as the white man.........................
Really ......if this were true this thread would never exist.
Please give me one REAL example of how the black man does not have the same opportunity as a white man. Please use real world scenarios and factual information as to where a persons opportunity is limited solely based on skin color.
Ron 10
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The black man has the same chances at equal opportunity as the white man.........................
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Really ......if this were true this thread would never exist.
Wrong, this thread exists because some *Think* they are being held back and BS rules are being put into place to please them.
Do I think there is still racism? Yep. Do I think that it comes from BOTH sides? Again yep.
The difference is that it seems to be encouraged when it puts blacks in favor of anyone else.
AA is racism.
The NFL mandating that a black be interviewed for coach positions is racism.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
funks 1
There is blatant promotion of the black community going on in todays day and age. Is it fine to be proud of ones race and to promote that race? Sure, as long as the same holds true for all races.
JET Magazine: Do you think JET magazine would allow a white female model in the magazine? Hell no. If Cosmopolitan turned down a black model solely based on skin color would they be labeled a racist organization and slapped with a lawsuit? Hell yes. Care to explain this one?
BET: Would our community ever accept something named White Entertainment Television station? Hell no.
Can a person apply for a loan and ask for special consideration because they have "white" skin? Nope, dont think so.
The first two are prime examples as to how the black community is segregating themselves from the rest of the world. The black man needs to realize that the promotion of "black only" oriented type organizations does not help the cause.
Please provide one example of a socially acceptable "white only" organization.
JET Magazine: Do you think JET magazine would allow a white female model in the magazine? Hell no. If Cosmopolitan turned down a black model solely based on skin color would they be labeled a racist organization and slapped with a lawsuit? Hell yes. Care to explain this one?
BET: Would our community ever accept something named White Entertainment Television station? Hell no.
Can a person apply for a loan and ask for special consideration because they have "white" skin? Nope, dont think so.
The first two are prime examples as to how the black community is segregating themselves from the rest of the world. The black man needs to realize that the promotion of "black only" oriented type organizations does not help the cause.
Please provide one example of a socially acceptable "white only" organization.
eflynn 0
You dont consider a mandate to interview at least one black candidate for certain NFL positions a hand out?
Think for just a second, or scroll back to where I addressed this. It's an interview. An interview guarantees what? Nothing. So what's being handed out? There aren't a finite number of interviews so it's not taking an opportunity away from someone else.
If it's such a horrible policy why did the NFL agree to it? All the end of the day, the NFL is a business and isn't going to do ANYTHING that's would jeopardize it's financial security. Including hiring a coach who isn't qualified.
The easiest thing to do is to let everyone know what assholes the people who discriminate are. For example, if a business discriminates against blacks, then simply don't go there. Also, tell your buddies not to go there. Let them tell everyone else. Money talks.
When police departments discriminate against blacks, there are plenty of civil rights lawyers familiar with 1983 actions that just love them. A friend of mine whose office was three dorrs down integrated the LAPD. Tom could tell some stories about what racism was 30 years ago.
I criticize the aforementioned because they've perverted their goals. I support what NOW used to stand for - equal pay, equal rights, etc. Without ever accomplishing those original goals they've gone on to champion other issues that are important to a small segment of women, as opposed to women at large. Why? Because they get more money and funding that way.
The NAACP WAS a noble institution in the days of Thurgood Marshall. The problem is that they face a dilemma - if they solve the problems they claim are out there, they are out of business and lose relevance. Therefore, the NAACP, Operation Push, etc., do their best to stay in business by inflating - if not outright causing - problems to be fixed.
Nobody likes the idea that if a car is taken in to a body shop for repairs the body shop will take a sledgehammer to it to increase the good they can do. In a sense, Jesse Jackson, etc., do this.
Why did the NAACP leadership speak out so loudly against Bill Cosby? Because he offered solutions that neither would keep them in business nor would allow them to make a buck. It's as if they said to Cosby, "NO! NO! BILL! Don't tell them THAT!!!! If people did what you said we'll be irrelevant in ten years!"
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