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QuoteDo you have any idea just how many police officers in this country are members of the Masonic, Fraternal Order of Police?
Yes, about 300,000. In 2002, there were about 800,000 officers in the US, I'm guessing that number has grown to around 1 million today. That means that there is about a 70% chance that this officer is not a member. What makes you believe he is a member?
QuoteAnd you know this.., How?
Do you have any evidence that would lead me to believe otherwise? I didn't think so.
QuoteQuoteSo you do know then , Mr. Tonelson , of many subjects who died ass a reasult of taser or pepper spray? Is that what you are saying?
no; i've experienced both. the pepper spray lasted for hours even when i had treatment for the spray within seconds of being exposed. just trust me on this one mr. eagleonridoer.
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Oh so you really haven't researched the subject?
Because I could site several examples where either pepper spray or tayser weapons when deployed by police officers ,resulted in death.
Are you sure you don't even know of one of these cases , Mr. tcnelson?
Blues,
Cliff
Blood of Matlock II
tcnelson 1
oh well, i wish you the best o' luck. 
"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
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QuoteOh so you really haven't researched the subject?
Johnny Knoxville did a few years ago. He said the pepper spray was the worst. I've come in contact with pepper spray once, and It's something I won't soon forget, it's horrible stuff.
QuoteBecause I could site several examples where either pepper spray or tayser weapons when deployed by police officers ,resulted in death.
Go for it. I'm sure you can find many instances where suspects resisting arrest injured or killed a police officer. It's a better alternative to brute physical force and a great alternative to shooting people. I have no sympathy for criminals, it seems you do.
QuoteQuoteDo you have any idea just how many police officers in this country are members of the Masonic, Fraternal Order of Police?
Oy.
Man, some of the stuff I've read that's come from you can be easily confused with a paranoid/paranoid schizophrenic's thought process.
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So if it "can be easily confused with a paranoid/paranoid schizophrenic's thought process."
It must be other than "paranoid schizophrenic's thought process."
Thank you for enlightening the others.
Blues,
Cliff
Quoteoh well, i wish you the best o' luck.
I know tomorrow I'm going to think about that 2nd picture in the middle of an important meeting and randomly start laughing or something.
QuoteQuoteDo you have any idea just how many police officers in this country are members of the Masonic, Fraternal Order of Police?
Yes, about 300,000. In 2002, there were about 800,000 officers in the US, I'm guessing that number has grown to around 1 million today. That means that there is about a 70% chance that this officer is not a member. What makes you believe he is a member?
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His racist actions of utilizing deadly force against a Black woman who was making a phone call (the right upon arrest to make one phone call) .
Yeah . that and his exclusive tayzering of Blacks pretty much shows him to be a racist and a probable member of Albert Pikes association.
Blues,
Cliff
Wisdom of SolomanQuoteAnd you know this.., How?
Do you have any evidence that would lead me to believe otherwise? I didn't think so.
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Yes , Thank you officer,
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You're welcome.
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Did you hear the prosecutions' scientific witness when he was discussing radar ?
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I have heard the testimony of "expert" witnesses in my own felony cases where the violation of speed and the use of a speed measuring instrument (RADAR) was used as a the tool to verify and confirm my visual estimation of the speed of a vehicle and based on that not only do I stand by what I posted but so do the judges, juries, prosecutors, and most important...the State of North Carolina and when my case goes to the federal level... the United States of America.
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Did you hear Mr. Zenister when he said;"1. unless he was VERY close he would be unable to determine that the vibration of her vehicle could possibly be causing his instrument to read incorrectly."
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No, but I did read it...
The only way a speaker will register a speed on a speed measuring instrument is if you were to point the antenna directly down onto the face of the speaker. It will not detect and/or register the VIBRATION it will detect the speed, however, of the movement the speaker makes in and out while operating. However, all speed measuring instruments will not display any speed of any target if any interference is detected. For example; the instrument is detecting the target vehicle moving towards it, and it then detects another wavelength at a different speed the instrument will "blank out".
Also, what you don't know, even if you think you do, the RADAR or any speed measuring device is a tool to verify the officers visual estimation.
Example; I see you. I visually estimate your speed at 65 MPH and your in a 45 MPH zone. I then hear the DOPPLER TONE emitting a tone of your vehicle traveling at a speed of 65 MPH. I then look at the display of your speed on the instrument itself and it shows 65 MPH. You get stopped for 65 MPH in a 45 MPH zone. "IF" I choose to give you a ticket it is based on my visual estimation of your speed which was verified by a speed measuring instrument.
If I am sitting on the side of the road doing paperwork and the Doppler Tone goes off and I look at the instruments display and see a speed of 65 MPH, but when I look up you are passing me and I can't get a visual estimation of your speed...I can't stop you.
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This statement from the prosecutions' own *expert* witness implies that vibrations from the vehicle *can* cause the "instruments to read incorrectly".
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I'll refer you to my prior post on my personal experience of "expert witnesses"
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Did the officer on the scene, the one making the arrest ,know of the limitations of the equipment?
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Yep he sure did. Every state in the US requires an officer to be certified in the use of speed measuring instruments before using them. Each state has different requirements in gaining the certification, but the minimum classroom hours I know of is 65 combined with a minimum of 40 hours of roadside practical exams and visual speed estimations.
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If not , shouldn't he have known? Why didn't he know of the equipments limitations?
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I just answered that.
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Shouldn't a prudent law enforcement officer consider *all of the facts* before tossing around ACCUSATIONS and making Arrests of the law abiding citizens?
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First, explain how you feel she was a "law abiding citizen"
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Considetring the Prosecutions testimony, can you still say ,without a shadow of a doubt , that this nice BLACK woman was speeding?
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Nice? Are you shitting me?. Black?...Yes she was. If you don't mind refer me to a link, reference, federal case law...ect. that states if your black you are allowed to brake the law. Then explain your position on what happens when black officers do this to white people or even black people.
Not meant as a personal attack....but grow up.
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"A radical man is a man with both feet firmly planted in the air."
-Franklin Delano Roosevelt
"A radical man is a man with both feet firmly planted in the air."
-Franklin Delano Roosevelt
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Unencumbered travel is a Right. It is covered in the IX Ammendment.
Not by a motor vehicle it isn't.
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"A radical man is a man with both feet firmly planted in the air."
-Franklin Delano Roosevelt
"A radical man is a man with both feet firmly planted in the air."
-Franklin Delano Roosevelt
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anyway, as far as *real world* fatalities...one could make many *real world* people die by subjecting them to a stiff dose of adrenaline like, oh say, giving them a parachute and an instructor and forcing them to jump out of an airplane.
Beautiful example.
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"A radical man is a man with both feet firmly planted in the air."
-Franklin Delano Roosevelt
"A radical man is a man with both feet firmly planted in the air."
-Franklin Delano Roosevelt
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Is he a member of the Fraternal Order of Police?
The white cop organization with ties to freemasonry and Albert Pike?
You just proved you don't have a clue what your talking (typing) about.
F.O.P. (Fraternal Order of Police) has more African American officers as members than any other police organization in the country and also is the only police organization supported by the F.O.B.C.P.(Fraternal Order of the Black Chiefs of Police).
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"A radical man is a man with both feet firmly planted in the air."
-Franklin Delano Roosevelt
"A radical man is a man with both feet firmly planted in the air."
-Franklin Delano Roosevelt
sinker 0
holy crap! if you guys don't stop it, I'm going to blow a gasket from hysteria. 
I wonder what this eagle-dude's response would be if stopped by the same officer....
"should we taze him or gas him? taze him? or gas him? how 'bout both?"
-the artist formerly known as sinker
I wonder what this eagle-dude's response would be if stopped by the same officer....
"should we taze him or gas him? taze him? or gas him? how 'bout both?"
-the artist formerly known as sinker
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His racist actions of utilizing deadly force against a Black woman who was making a phone call (the right upon arrest to make one phone call) .
Her not getting off the phone is yet another in the long list of violations of the law. It called "Delaying an officer within his/her duties. Falls under Resist, Delay, or Obstruct. (G.S. 14-223). This is a misdemeanor and arrestable offense.
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"A radical man is a man with both feet firmly planted in the air."
-Franklin Delano Roosevelt
"A radical man is a man with both feet firmly planted in the air."
-Franklin Delano Roosevelt
QuoteHis racist actions of utilizing deadly force against a Black woman who was making a phone call (the right upon arrest to make one phone call) .
He didn't use deadly force. He is not racist because he arrested a black woman, he did his job. I have no doubt that the officer is unbiased, it is pretty apparent that you are.
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Yeah . that and his exclusive tayzering of Blacks pretty much shows him to be a racist and a probable member of Albert Pikes association.
Exclusive? That doesn't even make sense.
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Blues,
Cliff
Wisdom of Salmon
Fixed it fer ya.
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Blues,
Cliff
Wisdom of Salmon
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-the artist formerly known as sinker
Cliff
Wisdom of Salmon
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Fixed it fer ya.
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Oy.
Man, some of the stuff I've read that's come from you can be easily confused with a paranoid/paranoid schizophrenic's thought process. You know who I mean, those folks who seem normal until you start talking with them, and they caution you against the black helicopters and ramble about hegemony and HAARP and stuff.
Just, man, oy. Oy gevalt.
Darius, I understand your point about the Iranian issue, but I don't think it's as prevelent as you might think. I don't care, one way or another, and not one person I know actually cares, either.
Sinker, I've not got milk and cookies, but I've had to put my bowl of curry down more than once as I choked back laughter. You're right...
Ciels-
Michele
~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~
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