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House OKs flag desecration amendment... PASS IT!

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Actually, you can't strike down an Amendment. Odds are they'll rule that this Amendment was passed as an excpetion to the First Amendment.

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Then Congress should just modify the 1st Amendment, rather than pass another Amendment which contradicts the 1st.



Congress can't modify an Amendment. Modifying an Amendment would mean Amending the Constitution.

Either way you have to do the same thing - Amendment.

By the way, Amendments are designed to either contradict a portion of the Constitution or fill in a gap. THink of the 21st Amendment. The first sentence is, "The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed." Yep, they passed an Amendment repealing another one. That's contradiction.


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You should go and read the flag rules and regulations. It does appear that the majority of americans are in violation. Everyone who wears a flag t-shirt or puts a sticker on their vehicle is in violation. Hell, I suspect that anyone who has ever thrown something with the flag on it into their garbage can is also in violation. THIS ENTIRE COUNTRY IS IN VIOLATION. What the hell, lets build some more prisons and just lock everyone up. My health is in shambles due to AIDS (got some real bad news from my Dr. on monday) yet my healthcare provider can do little to treat it, thanks to the freaking feds. No money to help me, yet this government will waste a major amount on trying to keep someone from burning a piece of cloth. This country has gotton so far off track from what the founding fathers had envision I feel that the American Revolution was fought in vain. Truth is this country loves war and now, I suspect, we will hear about war on flag burners. Real issues that truely effect the people are ofton overlooked. The government cares nothing about the sick and dying. Ever since the "war president" has been in office my healthcare has gone to the very bottom. Hell, I feel like burning the damn flag but I believe I will keep it for a cold night when I cannot afford heat. I doubt that you know what my healthcare cost. I do not fear flag burners, I fear a government that can change the rules any fucking time they please.
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When you're out of the blue and into the black."
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There was a move with Kirk Douglass and Annete Benning called The American President where Douglass played this left wing wacko president who wanted to confiscate hand guns. A real chick flick, yet it remains one of my favorite movies nonetheless.

As much as I disagree with the aforementioned policy, the character Douglass played gave an excellent speech at the end of the movie detailing why flag-burning shouldn't be unconstitutional. His thought process was that the symbol of your country's freedom cannot be just a flag - it has to be one of that country's citizens burning that flag in protest.

I think nobody here would consider me a left winger, but I agree with that line of thinking. In college even when I was a democrat (yes, I used to be a leftie prior to coming to my senses) I had a nice t-shirt with the American flag on it that read 'Try and Burn This One, Asshole!' (no offense to my fellow Muff Brothers). I don't like the flag being burned. However, the ability of a citizen to burn it without fear of retribution from the government he/she is protesting is truly one of the greatest testaments to the freedoms we, as Americans, enjoy.

Fuck the flag burning assholes, but defend their right to burn. Ala Voltaire. Fuck the French too.

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In other words, you're all for semifree speec



Call it what you want. Word it how you wish. I sincerely hope this bill passes. Free speech as everyone calls it has fucked this country. As a country we have no integrity. Everyone thinks they have the right to know everything. They don't. Everyone thinks they should be able to run their sucks with out consequence. Call it what you will... Burning the flag to exercise your free speech should be against the law.

I hope it passes.

Rhino



Free speech as everyone calls it has fucked this country.

Free speech is highly overrated. The 1st is in reality more about the establishment of a state-sponsored religion, but free speech falls under that purview. I'm sure the German citizens in the 30's thought a lot like you - not an attack - they bought into the patriotic nationalism. After they voted in Bush, er I mean Hitler with their Democracy, I'm sure some citizens wish they hadn't bought into the whole package. It's not really thoughtful, intelligent use of logic to say, 'I know it's a bad thing, but I just want it.'

As a country we have no integrity.

Examples:

1. Invading a country on false premise
2. Denying medical care to our own citizens
3. Excusing corps for multi-billion $ debts, but disallowing private people to bankrupt on smaller amounts
4. Slashing the Ergonomics Bill
5. Passing the Overtime Law
6. NAFTA
7. Executing kids


I could go on, but I see your point.

Everyone thinks they have the right to know everything.

Freedom of information is highly overrated too. Suppression and govern secrecy is the key.

After I leave this country, oh, in 3-4 years, I'm with ya man.

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I am the flag police. Fear me. :|



If that is a joke, not funny.
If not, honestly, the only thing I fear is dying of AIDS.



If not, honestly, the only thing I fear is dying of AIDS.


Well, you're in luck; no one die of AIDS, but AIDS related symptoms. ;)

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Well, you're in luck; no one die of AIDS, but AIDS related symptoms. ;)



AIDS kills. You seem to be uninformed of what this virus does to the immune system and the body in general. I fully expect to die from it as healthcare in the US is an utter shame. I was diagnosed in 1995 after a 7 month stay in Mexico. My healthcare was great during the Clinton years but since that asshole Bush got in my care is next to nothing. Why waste time on some ass who wants to burn a piece of cloth when there are so many other issues that need addressing. Unless you also have HIV or work in the field or you are a caregiver to someone who is infected or your an AIDS activist then your opinion means zero to me. Hey, walk into any AIDS clinic and shout your opinion. Your remark is the remark of a very uninformed person. I know that AIDS opens the door for OI's after it destroys the immune system. I am very well informed and do not need your small mind to tell me what it does. When one speaks of AIDS killing it is in the form of an overall generalization to cover the scope of its deadliness. Go read up on what it does and while you are at it, look at some pictures at what this virus is capable of bringing on.
"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
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It's their right of expersion, and such a ban would be just an opening to the floodgates of censorship.




Ok then, I'm gonna have a big party in a public square and have a Quran burning party. Who's up for that? Did I spell Quran right?



Not a bad idea, actually. When the Quran flushing thing was in the news constantly, I was thinking about getting a few copies, putting each in a Ziploc bag along with a fresh turd, and mailing each to a different Saudi embassy.

Still sounds like a good idea, but would probably be a waste of perfectly good turds.

I don't have a lower opinion of Islam than I do any other organized religion, but a bunch of people acting like little crybabies over some reported damage to a book makes me want to annoy them just for sport.

As for a Constitutional amendment banning flag-burning, that's just silly. If I buy or make an American flag, then it's mine to do with it anything I want--including burn it. Same with anything else. Too bad I can't buy some Al Quada shit-heads. I'd like to roast them slowly over a nice fire of Qurans.

Walt

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Any american citizen who burns an american flag should move out of the country. Rights, freedoms, feelings hurt or no, this is BS. If anyone residing in the USA doesn't have any more respect for this country than that, then it's their legal "RIGHT" to get the fuck out. I catch some one burning a flag, well let's just say there would be a slight altercation. I'd like to see someone burn a flag in front of my oldest son who just returned from iraq fighting for the flag and all it ever stands for, that'd go over like a turd in a punch bowl.
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There was a move with Kirk Douglass and Annete Benning called The American President where Douglass played this left wing wacko president who wanted to confiscate hand guns.



Y'know, I'm pretty sure you mean Michael Douglas.

The rest of the post was good though, totally agree about the freedom thing.
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The USPA today anounced that all high performance landings have been banned citing danger to particapants and the possibility of emotional trama to spectators after witnessing a failed attempt at personal gratification.

mr g. bangs announced that all landings will be straight in with no s turns below 1500' thus lessining the potential of tramatizing the general public that could wittness a possible deadly accident.

he added that any violations will be dealt with harshly with revocation of uspa membership and seizure of the offending rig

after all, we dont want to trammatize the general public by allowing them to wittness a possible fatality

we at the uspa did not acheve our positions by allowing such dangerous acts of self gratification that show such great disrespect to the sport

also other new laws are gaining speed in the executive branch

racer only law> only racers will be allowed to be jumped at uspa dropzones due to their superior reserve opening speed and comfortable fit.

tempo only law> since equipment and jump tickets are so expensive, reserves should be cheap to allow more jumping

uspa members disagreeing with the new rules are obviously not good members and will have their membership revolked and their names givin to the proper authoritys

maybe they should go to canada bangs was heard saying as he left the room

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maybe they should go to canada bangs was heard saying as he left the room


Or (heh heh heh) France, and jump Atoms :P

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There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Love it or get the fuck out.



Love the country, or love the flag? Are you saying that one can't love one without loving the other?

Wendy W.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Don't be shy Walt, tell us how you really feel..:)



Ok, since you asked. Here's a great idea for a MasterCard ad:

One cheap-ass copy of the Qur'an (translated to English): $5.95 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1879402297/qid=1119530134/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-8400078-4357430?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

One totally nasty turd: $15.00 (for 2 six packs of beer, 3 tamales, one can of cabbage, 2 hard-boiled eggs, 6 pickled jalapenos, one can of sweet corn, 2 cans of sardines, and 3 scoops of refried beans).

One ziploc bag, shipping box, and postage: $5.00

The look on the Saudi Arabian Ambassador's face when he opens the Qu'ran ala turd on the first day of Ramadan: priceless.

Notice the turd has significantly more value than the Qu'ran. Not sure whether it has more value than the Saudi Arabian Ambassador, but I'd bet the turd smells better and for sure I'd rather spend time with the turd.

Walt

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Well, you're in luck; no one die of AIDS, but AIDS related symptoms. ;)



AIDS kills. You seem to be uninformed of what this virus does to the immune system and the body in general. I fully expect to die from it as healthcare in the US is an utter shame. I was diagnosed in 1995 after a 7 month stay in Mexico. My healthcare was great during the Clinton years but since that asshole Bush got in my care is next to nothing. Why waste time on some ass who wants to burn a piece of cloth when there are so many other issues that need addressing. Unless you also have HIV or work in the field or you are a caregiver to someone who is infected or your an AIDS activist then your opinion means zero to me. Hey, walk into any AIDS clinic and shout your opinion. Your remark is the remark of a very uninformed person. I know that AIDS opens the door for OI's after it destroys the immune system. I am very well informed and do not need your small mind to tell me what it does. When one speaks of AIDS killing it is in the form of an overall generalization to cover the scope of its deadliness. Go read up on what it does and while you are at it, look at some pictures at what this virus is capable of bringing on.



Actually I was just being technical, but I am correct. AIDS obviously suppresses your immune system and then you get an infection or pneumonia and your body is unable to resist it so you sucumb to it. I have never read an obit that reads that a person died of AIDS, now maybe a media sourse somewhere has, but that's irresponsible.

As for me, I just fininshed Anatomy and Physiology 1 & 2, an entire year of it, I also just finished Microbiology, so I think I know what a virus is and how it infiltrates your body and then uses your cells to make copies of itself. These little creatures actually hijack your cells, inject its DNA into them and uses your cell's functions to make copies of itself. Really creepy. Viruses are not living and can be billions of years old, unless you believe in the Christian short-earth then they are up to 10k yrs old:S. SO all this encroachment onto other lands and stirring up of soil brings out some viruses that otherwise would not be. SO I think mother nature is in control here and is punishing us for screwing up her land.

As for what is the most common whay to contract AIDS? Hetero sex. Again, that is on a world basis.

I just read, I am really sorry for you. I didin't know that you have AIDS. So you were diagnosed with AIDS in 95 or HIV? If HIV, then when were you diagnised with AIDS?

My healthcare was great during the Clinton years but since that asshole Bush got in my care is next to nothing. Why waste time on some ass who wants to burn a piece of cloth when there are so many other issues that need addressing.

WHen will these stupid fucking Bush-voting Americans realize that corp profits mean nothing as compared to people and lives? I would like to hear some of these people comment on this, but I'm sure we won't. It's so easy to say that maggotted term, "personal responsibility." But when there is actually a person being refused services and might die these maggots tend to slither away. Virtually all of the rest of the world has socialized medicine, but this piece of shit called the US.

Unless you also have HIV or work in the field or you are a caregiver to someone who is infected or your an AIDS activist then your opinion means zero to me.

I understand. I am working toward being a nurse, my girlfriend's brother was gay and died of suicide because he didn't want to have another cycyle of the illness.

Hey, walk into any AIDS clinic and shout your opinion. Your remark is the remark of a very uninformed person. I know that AIDS opens the door for OI's after it destroys the immune system. I am very well informed and do not need your small mind to tell me what it does.

Like I said, I'm sorry for your condition and didn't mean to anger you. It is splitting hairs to say that AIDS doesn't kill, because it may as well and for all intents and purposes it does due to the OI (oppertunistic infections). I would never be that incompassionate to be mean to a person with any illness, especially a potentially terminal one.

I am very well informed and do not need your small mind to tell me what it does. When one speaks of AIDS killing it is in the form of an overall generalization to cover the scope of its deadliness. Go read up on what it does and while you are at it, look at some pictures at what this virus is capable of bringing on.

I do understand about it and have studied it to a degree. Like I said, I was being technical and wouldn't have posted the original statement had I known you have HIV/AIDS. Peace.

Now, back to Bush bashing. You mentioned this pathetic flag burning issue. Even many conservatives on this board and elsewhere think this is a joke. Hopefully after Bush shifts as much of the assets as he can to the rich, the poor/middle class Bushers will wake up. Unfortunately it won't be until after much damage has been done. Is it naivity or just plain meanness for people looking at the Hoover years and the Bush 2 years to not see the inhumanity going on? Is it that theses people are bling or cruel? At least in 33 I think it was, the Americans has the sense to vote out their mistake.... by a landslide. Are the votes fixed or are people that stupid? As I've said many times in the past, I am out of here as soon as I get my nursing school finished and by then this countyr will be so fucked up that I will be fighting other people to get out first. So what do I hope? I hope this flag burning issue/amend goes through and I hope Jeb (could there be a gheyer name?) gets elected/appointed. Let's run this mother fucker into the ground ala the Hoover years.

Take care and peace.....

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>If not, honestly, the only thing I fear is dying of AIDS.


Well, you're in luck; no one die of AIDS, but AIDS related symptoms



That is the tackiest fucking thing I have ever read.

You claim to be compasionate, then you say shit like that.
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It's their right of expersion, and such a ban would be just an opening to the floodgates of censorship.




Ok then, I'm gonna have a big party in a public square and have a Quran burning party. Who's up for that? Did I spell Quran right?



Not a bad idea, actually. When the Quran flushing thing was in the news constantly, I was thinking about getting a few copies, putting each in a Ziploc bag along with a fresh turd, and mailing each to a different Saudi embassy.

Still sounds like a good idea, but would probably be a waste of perfectly good turds.

I don't have a lower opinion of Islam than I do any other organized religion, but a bunch of people acting like little crybabies over some reported damage to a book makes me want to annoy them just for sport.

As for a Constitutional amendment banning flag-burning, that's just silly. If I buy or make an American flag, then it's mine to do with it anything I want--including burn it. Same with anything else. Too bad I can't buy some Al Quada shit-heads. I'd like to roast them slowly over a nice fire of Qurans.

Walt



Isn't this:

...a bunch of people acting like little crybabies over some reported damage to a book ...

the same as some maggots crying about burning the US flag?

Furthermore, the Quran issue was when people were being detained, they didn't ahve the right to leave or diregard it. I think it's semantic to worry about it, but then I'm not Muslim.... hell, I'm agnostic. That's not the issue, the issue is holding someones face and making them watch the most sacred thing get destroyed. I would compare it to people breaking into your house and fucking your wife/GF and making you watch..... get it?

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I love our flag, and all it symbolizes.

I cringe when I see people desecrate it the way they do.

I am so opposed to this ammendment, that I would rather burn our flag myself, in protest, then see this ammendment passed.

The flag is a symbol of freedom. So we are going to remove freedom from the people, to protect the symbol of freedom? Have we all lost our minds?

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