House OKs flag desecration amendment... PASS IT!

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>If not, honestly, the only thing I fear is dying of AIDS.


Well, you're in luck; no one die of AIDS, but AIDS related symptoms

That is the tackiest fucking thing I have ever read.

You claim to be compasionate, then you say shit like that.

He never said he had AIDS. I thought he feared contracting AIDS. Hey Ron, tell us how you voted Bush in and then come on this thread and shit on me for writing that when you and your contengency helped to snatch the meds out of his hands..... who's the goat now?

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Word it how you wish. I sincerely hope this bill passes. Free speech as everyone calls it has fucked this country. As a country we have no integrity.

Some people agree with that. Some people express that thought by burning a flag.

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Burning the flag to exercise your free speech should be against the law.

What would be the reason for making it illegal? Flag burning does not infringe on your rights. You do not have to participate. You can look away. We shouldn't pass laws on people's feelings.

There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning

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Any american citizen who burns an american flag should move out of the country.

Bingo... I completely agree.. Love it or get the fuck out.

One each getting the fuck out, comming up. Would I like fries with that?

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Any american citizen who burns an american flag should move out of the country. Rights, freedoms, feelings hurt or no, this is BS. If anyone residing in the USA doesn't have any more respect for this country than that, then it's their legal "RIGHT" to get the fuck out. I catch some one burning a flag, well let's just say there would be a slight altercation. I'd like to see someone burn a flag in front of my oldest son who just returned from iraq fighting for the flag and all it ever stands for, that'd go over like a turd in a punch bowl.

If anyone residing in the USA doesn't have any more respect for this country than that,...

WHat if they respect their country and want to burn it for other reasons? This black/white languge is really tiring. It is possible people love the country which is why theu want to burn it. Me, I'm not that much into silly symbols, so I have no desire to burn a flag, but I will write what a piece of shit this country is or talk of it in open public? Will I be given repurcussion for it? Possibly. Was Rosa Parks welcomed when she wouldn't get up? Ya. Were the settlers welcomed when they refused to continue paying taxes to the Britts? No and it lef to the revolutionary war. We have our positions and these gives us the integrity that you say we don't have. If we had no integrity we would fold to the bulldogging and ultimate threats from that side of the logic.

I catch some one burning a flag, well let's just say there would be a slight altercation.

I have no desire to burn a flag, but if you ever come to AZ I would make an exception.... hell, we already have a lot of hot wind blowing this time of year.

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Isn't this:

...a bunch of people acting like little crybabies over some reported damage to a book ...

the same as some maggots crying about burning the US flag?

Wow--we actually agree on something!!! I would take a dim view of an American citizen burning an American flag as a "fuck you" statement to the government, but they should have every right to do it.

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Furthermore, the Quran issue was when people were being detained, they didn't ahve the right to leave or diregard it. I think it's semantic to worry about it, but then I'm not Muslim.... hell, I'm agnostic. That's not the issue, the issue is holding someones face and making them watch the most sacred thing get destroyed. I would compare it to people breaking into your house and fucking your wife/GF and making you watch..... get it?

I can kind of see the analogy, but I think it would be more accurate to compare it to people kidnapping and imprisoning me and then burning a picture of my wife/GF. In a situation like that, I might find the picture burning a bit demoralizing, but I'm fairly sure that I would find the kidnapping and imprisonment part to be far more disturbing.

Walt

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The USPA today anounced that all high performance landings have been banned citing danger to particapants and the possibility of emotional trama to spectators after witnessing a failed attempt at personal gratification.

mr g. bangs announced that all landings will be straight in with no s turns below 1500' thus lessining the potential of tramatizing the general public that could wittness a possible deadly accident.

he added that any violations will be dealt with harshly with revocation of uspa membership and seizure of the offending rig

after all, we dont want to trammatize the general public by allowing them to wittness a possible fatality

we at the uspa did not acheve our positions by allowing such dangerous acts of self gratification that show such great disrespect to the sport

also other new laws are gaining speed in the executive branch

racer only law> only racers will be allowed to be jumped at uspa dropzones due to their superior reserve opening speed and comfortable fit.

tempo only law> since equipment and jump tickets are so expensive, reserves should be cheap to allow more jumping

uspa members disagreeing with the new rules are obviously not good members and will have their membership revolked and their names givin to the proper authoritys

maybe they should go to canada bangs was heard saying as he left the room

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He never said he had AIDS. I thought he feared contracting AIDS

Your comment was insensitive and ignorant. You claim to be for the people, then you slam them just the same.

That kind of comment showed your true colors.

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Hey Ron, tell us how you voted Bush in and then come on this thread and shit on me for writing that when you and your contengency helped to snatch the meds out of his hands..... who's the goat now?

Funny, nice try at defending yourself/attacking me now.

Your comment and attitude shows who you are.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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I hope they don't pass it.

Its a piece of material folks.

You don't want to burn it, don't. If you don't want to watch it being burned...Don't look.

If you don't want to be friends with people who would...Then don't be friends with them.

Dont' support them...ect.

I do wish all these people who slam the US would move. They keep promissing to, but never seem to actually do it.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Isn't this:

...a bunch of people acting like little crybabies over some reported damage to a book ...

the same as some maggots crying about burning the US flag?

Wow--we actually agree on something!!! I would take a dim view of an American citizen burning an American flag as a "fuck you" statement to the government, but they should have every right to do it.

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Furthermore, the Quran issue was when people were being detained, they didn't ahve the right to leave or diregard it. I think it's semantic to worry about it, but then I'm not Muslim.... hell, I'm agnostic. That's not the issue, the issue is holding someones face and making them watch the most sacred thing get destroyed. I would compare it to people breaking into your house and fucking your wife/GF and making you watch..... get it?

I can kind of see the analogy, but I think it would be more accurate to compare it to people kidnapping and imprisoning me and then burning a picture of my wife/GF. In a situation like that, I might find the picture burning a bit demoralizing, but I'm fairly sure that I would find the kidnapping and imprisonment part to be far more disturbing.

Walt

I respectfully disagree with your analogy.

If you were kidnapped and made to watch your GF's/wife's picture being burned, you would fear for the safety of your GF/wife, not give a shit about the pics themselves. The Iraqis care more about that book than they do their families in many cases I'm sure, so I think my analogy is close to being exact.

It's hard to think like a Muslim and I don't like the application of their beliefs either, but I'm not ethnocentric so I am not in that position to say.

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He never said he had AIDS. I thought he feared contracting AIDS

Your comment was insensitive and ignorant. You claim to be for the people, then you slam them just the same.

That kind of comment showed your true colors.

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Hey Ron, tell us how you voted Bush in and then come on this thread and shit on me for writing that when you and your contengency helped to snatch the meds out of his hands..... who's the goat now?

Funny, nice try at defending yourself/attacking me now.

Your comment and attitude shows who you are.

UH, huh, like I wrote in the apolgy to the gentleman with AIDS, these Bush lovers helped to take the meds out of his hands and will not comment on it when a real person is ill. Thanks for proving me right. Comment on how you feel about the politics behind Bush's medical cuts.

I hear crickets.....

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Your comment was insensitive and ignorant. You claim to be for the people, then you slam them just the same. .

I did not find his comment insensitive OR ignorant. It was technically correct. AIDS destroys the human immune system, making the victim extremely susceptible to all sorts of infections. It's those infections (typically pneumonia) that kills them, not the AIDS virus itself. He was splitting hairs.

His comment was tangential, but I don't think it was meant to be mean-spirited.

Walt

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it makes me sick to my stomach to see the flag being burned. however, if someone wants to do it then the law currently allows it. personally, i always wonder what one of the people burning a flag really wants to say. if i approached them with a mic and camera at 6 o'clock and said 'excuse me sir, you now have the stage, what is it you would like to say?' i wonder what their response would be? all the video i see of flag burners is people jumping around like children screaming and yelling obseneties, but nothing constructive is being said. maybe someone can point me to one of these demonstrations that has a cogent discussion going on?? please do. i would like to understand what they are trying to accomplish.

i love this country and think there is no better place in the world to live, period. it's not perfect and no country every will be. sure i have issues with our government, but when i have a problem with anyone or anything i address it and then suggest a course of action to remedy the problem. anyone can poke holes all day, but few have any constructive advice. i dont' allow people to sit in meetings and bitch unless they have a solution...it get's you nowhere. i'm all for improvement, but ya gotta suggest a better course of action and i have yet to see or hear a flag burner say what he wants...just that he/she doesn't like something our government is doing. maybe try a different approach b/c i truly believe it turns most americans off....but that is just my opinion

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I hope they don't pass it.

Its a piece of material folks.

You don't want to burn it, don't. If you don't want to watch it being burned...Don't look.

If you don't want to be friends with people who would...Then don't be friends with them.

Dont' support them...ect.

I do wish all these people who slam the US would move. They keep promissing to, but never seem to actually do it.

I do wish all these people who slam the US would move. They keep promissing to, but never seem to actually do it.


It's not that easy. It costs a lot and you want to be sure to be established in a profession that is dynamic enough to keep working. Also, if you move to a country that speaks another language you have to learn it before you go.

Furthermore, be careful what you wish for. You think these so-called freedom fighters in Iraq are saving our asses, which may or may not be true, but the little dissent that is here from the left keeps things a bit in check. If we were all lock-stepped Bushians, all the dissenters vacated, we would be much closer to the Naziism where we are heading now.

Remember, Bush said he would sign the assault weapons bill if it crossed his desk. The gov really wants to pull the firearms, so quit blaming the lefties.

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Your comment was insensitive and ignorant. You claim to be for the people, then you slam them just the same. .

I did not find his comment insensitive OR ignorant. It was technically correct. AIDS destroys the human immune system, making the victim extremely susceptible to all sorts of infections. It's those infections (typically pneumonia) that kills them, not the AIDS virus itself. He was splitting hairs.

His comment was tangential, but I don't think it was meant to be mean-spirited.

Walt

Thx, and no it wasn't meant that way. Had he said he had HIV/AIDS I would never have writen it that way.

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Burning the flag - a 'symbolic' gesture of a 'symbol'. A complete waste of energy, stupid, but shouldn't be illegal. This really is putting me in question more than anything that we don't have a single party of reason out there. I want to see the vote by congress member on this one.

But I don't think it's a free speech issue at all. It's a property rights issue. If I own a flag and burn it without violating burn laws or enviro laws, or nuisance laws, or someone's civil rights, or endangering other property, or ..... crap, what's the point?

Anyway, my property - bite me, it's mine to do what I will with it (but I personally wouldn't burn a flag except to retire it honorably, because that's the right thing to do, I don't need a law or amendment for that, as for the crybabies burning it symbolically? let them get into an impotent lather over that instead of throwing paint or spitting on people.).

However, if I take someone elses flag and burn it, then that's already covered under theft and vandalism.

Let's enforce what's already on the books.

And the government has so much more important stuff to do than to just set up impotent points of debates for the '06 elections.

Just another example of one party getting too much upper hand. Our Republicans can get a bit out of control just easily as the Dems would have if they were in control.

All this means is that each party will be getting more and more unreasonable and emotional. Which is too bad. What we really need is for the Dems to get out from under their myriad splinter extreme groups, go back a bit more central and win an election or 3. It would scare the Repubs to also move back to center. That would do more to get both parties out from under the thumbs of the nutty fringe groups.

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The USPA today anounced that all high performance landings have been banned citing danger to particapants and the possibility of emotional trama to spectators after witnessing a failed attempt at personal gratification.

mr g. bangs announced that all landings will be straight in with no s turns below 1500' thus lessining the potential of tramatizing the general public that could wittness a possible deadly accident.

he added that any violations will be dealt with harshly with revocation of uspa membership and seizure of the offending rig

after all, we dont want to trammatize the general public by allowing them to wittness a possible fatality

we at the uspa did not acheve our positions by allowing such dangerous acts of self gratification that show such great disrespect to the sport

also other new laws are gaining speed in the executive branch

racer only law> only racers will be allowed to be jumped at uspa dropzones due to their superior reserve opening speed and comfortable fit.

tempo only law> since equipment and jump tickets are so expensive, reserves should be cheap to allow more jumping

uspa members disagreeing with the new rules are obviously not good members and will have their membership revolked and their names givin to the proper authoritys

maybe they should go to canada bangs was heard saying as he left the room

g

Funny you should post that. I don't consider myself a swooper, and I have a Tempo reserve. The Racer I would have and issue with!

How do ya like it Johnny?

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it makes me sick to my stomach to see the flag being burned. however, if someone wants to do it then the law currently allows it. personally, i always wonder what one of the people burning a flag really wants to say. if i approached them with a mic and camera at 6 o'clock and said 'excuse me sir, you now have the stage, what is it you would like to say?' i wonder what their response would be? all the video i see of flag burners is people jumping around like children screaming and yelling obseneties, but nothing constructive is being said. maybe someone can point me to one of these demonstrations that has a cogent discussion going on?? please do. i would like to understand what they are trying to accomplish.

i love this country and think there is no better place in the world to live, period. it's not perfect and no country every will be. sure i have issues with our government, but when i have a problem with anyone or anything i address it and then suggest a course of action to remedy the problem. anyone can poke holes all day, but few have any constructive advice. i dont' allow people to sit in meetings and bitch unless they have a solution...it get's you nowhere. i'm all for improvement, but ya gotta suggest a better course of action and i have yet to see or hear a flag burner say what he wants...just that he/she doesn't like something our government is doing. maybe try a different approach b/c i truly believe it turns most americans off....but that is just my opinion

personally, i always wonder what one of the people burning a flag really wants to say.

The same as a person who protests an abortion clinic or a person who yanks those abortion clinic protestors out of the way of the door.

The same as a person who protests the WTO

The same a s person who marches in a gay rights rally or the opposition.

It's all the same from a diferent perspective.

if i approached them with a mic and camera at 6 o'clock and said 'excuse me sir, you now have the stage, what is it you would like to say?' i wonder what their response would be?

It would vary depending upon the person and the issue they have with the US. If I were there I would have so much to say. I could talk about how we executed kids until 2 months ago, I could talk about selective issuance of healthcare, I could talk about corporate immunity...... I could go on, but some people might have only 1 issue.

all the video i see of flag burners is people jumping around like children screaming and yelling obseneties, but nothing constructive is being said.

I have never seen a flag burned in the US, whether on TV or otherwise. To generalize all flag burners as the ones you claim to have seen isn't cogent. I think maybe you have seen flags burned in other countries where they jump around.

Tell ya what, why don't we have a cogent conversation w/o the flag burning and you can explain some of what I wrote in this post with the homelessnes, executions, etc.... oh, you don't wanna talk, mmmk.

i love this country and think there is no better place in the world to live, period.

Come on, someone that uses the word, "cogent" should be intelligent enough to know about Scandinavia. That is arguably the best regios in the world in which to live.

but when i have a problem with anyone or anything i address it and then suggest a course of action to remedy the problem.

OK, that's the frontend of the matter, then they tell you to shove your problem up your ass....then what? In socialized countries you have a problem, medical, hunger, etc.... they answer with something that will actually help you. Ah, poor Capitalists cry about a few more percent taxes to help the poor - fuck the poor, right? Spoken like a true American.

i dont' allow people to sit in meetings and bitch unless they have a solution...it get's you nowhere.

OK, solution for sick = socialized medicine. Solution for mass numbers of homeless = job centers that house and employ people until they are competent to do so on their own. WHere do we get the mnoney = from corps that export our manufacturing in the way of a stiff tarrif, like Japan does.

But we won't, in fact we passed NAFTA to cut the tax burden to corps that export work to North America and now Bush has facillitated corps sending manuf overseas.

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And the government has so much more important stuff to do than to just set up impotent points of debates for the '06 elections.

Yep, more important stuff like 'roids in baseball, Teri Shiavo's husband being investigated and gay marriage...

I wish the assbags in the gov't would spend more time working on stuff that matters then working on stuff that gets them attention and media coverage....

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I've got to agree. This has the potential to be way too subjective. You get into the whole "what is considered desecration" thing. What is desecration to one isn't going to be for another. Congress will get to come up with their version (which may be ridiculous) and people will start being fined for jumping flags into stadiums and accidentally letting it touch the ground. I think it's just a very bad path to go down and unnecessary. It infuriates me to see "what I consider" flag desecration. However, I've put my life on the line for others to have that freedom. I have to emphasize that it really pisses me off. However, the freedom that we enjoy here (that not many others in the world do) is more important than that. I also think that all this law will do is insight more flag burning.

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Burning the flag - a 'symbolic' gesture of a 'symbol'. A complete waste of energy, stupid, but shouldn't be illegal. This really is putting me in question more than anything that we don't have a single party of reason out there. I want to see the vote by congress member on this one.

But I don't think it's a free speech issue at all. It's a property rights issue. If I own a flag and burn it without violating burn laws or enviro laws, or nuisance laws, or someone's civil rights, or endangering other property, or ..... crap, what's the point?

Anyway, my property - bite me, it's mine to do what I will with it (but I personally wouldn't burn a flag except to retire it honorably, because that's the right thing to do, I don't need a law or amendment for that, as for the crybabies burning it symbolically? let them get into an impotent lather over that instead of throwing paint or spitting on people.).

However, if I take someone elses flag and burn it, then that's already covered under theft and vandalism.

Let's enforce what's already on the books.

And the government has so much more important stuff to do than to just set up impotent points of debates for the '06 elections.

Just another example of one party getting too much upper hand. Our Republicans can get a bit out of control just easily as the Dems would have if they were in control.

All this means is that each party will be getting more and more unreasonable and emotional. Which is too bad. What we really need is for the Dems to get out from under their myriad splinter extreme groups, go back a bit more central and win an election or 3. It would scare the Repubs to also move back to center. That would do more to get both parties out from under the thumbs of the nutty fringe groups.

Just another example of one party getting too much upper hand. Our Republicans can get a bit out of control just easily as the Dems would have if they were in control.


Yep, although a Dem, I don't want a Dem-run society either. A little ballance please.

What we really need is for the Dems to get out from under their myriad splinter extreme groups, go back a bit more central and win an election or 3.

And they're trying, but to do that they need to cater to the thumpers, which won't happen. See, the Dems lost their political foothold when LBJ passed a lot of civil rights laws that pissed off the Southern Democrat, who then often hated the black man, ever since then the Southern vote has gone red. Many southerners are poor and are fiscal lefties, but are driven by their moral right values.

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but to do that they need to cater to the thumpers, .

You see, there is the problem. You don't cater to the "thumpers" or any group in particular. You lay out a platform that makes sense both fiscally and socially. I don't think either team is doing a real good job at that. We have the equivalent of people voting for the party they think has the best looking hats. Where's the substance?

And of course, if someone is poor, then they are to the left fiscally if they are short term thinkers - which is likely true for people living day to day.

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My healthcare was great during the Clinton years but since that asshole Bush got in my care is next to nothing.

There have been myriad changes in the healthcare system in the last couple of decades. Much of this comes from figuring out that the system simply can't afford free rides to everyone for everything.

I'll put it this way - a couple of years ago I was having a great time! Skydiving, gigging, trips to Vegas and elsewhere. Everything I wanted to do I did. Then the money ran out, and I haven't been able to do it in a couple of years.

Under that asshole Bush I was having a great time. Then I wasn't.

And think about it - has your government health-care gotten worse, or has the health care you're paying for solely out of your own pocket gotten worse? If it's the latter, then I'd suggest you switch doctors. If the former, any free healthcare is good healt care, isn't it?

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UH, huh, like I wrote in the apolgy to the gentleman with AIDS, these Bush lovers helped to take the meds out of his hands and will not comment on it when a real person is ill.

How wrong you are.

I didn't vote for Bush to remove meds from people. I voted for Bush becasue he was clearly better than Kerry.

Nice try at trying to tie two unrelated subjects together. I don't like the idea of socialised medicine...It does not work well. Proof of that is the US healthcare system is one of the finest in the world.

But this is not a topic about that. It was also not a topic for you to show your true colors, but you did that just fine.

Nice of you to act nice now, but you clearly showed your true colors.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Any american citizen who burns an american flag should move out of the country.

Bingo... I completely agree.. Love it or get the fuck out.

That's a false dichotomoy, otherwise known as a false dilemma:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dichotomy

http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/distract/fd.htm

Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..."

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Notice the turd has significantly more value than the Qu'ran.

Would you like to reconsider that statement, or do you stand by it.

Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..."