eaglenrider 0 #1 June 24, 2005 So Why exactly should we "support the troops"? Doesn't the Constitution mention something about the troops purpose as defending our borders? Something about defending this country from attack? Is that what they are doing in Iraq as thousands per day walk across our south border? I'm just wondering. If all those troops in Iraq think that they are defending our borders.., We have a really dumb all volunteer army. Of course it may be that they don't have enough honor to honor their oath. Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #2 June 24, 2005 >So Why exactly should we "support the troops"? Cause they are there to protect us. They don't always get used that way, but that's what they are there for. Without them, we wouldn't have lasted 50 years, much less 230. >Is that what they are doing in Iraq as thousands per day walk >across our south border? If that bugs you, go down and patrol. If you just want to complain, complain away - but don't get in the way of the people actually _doing_ that which you can't be bothered with. >If all those troops in Iraq think that they are defending our >borders, We have a really dumb all volunteer army. I know a lot of people in the military, both through work and jumping. None of them think Iraq borders on Maine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eaglenrider 0 #3 June 24, 2005 Quote>So Why exactly should we "support the troops"? Cause they are there to protect us. _____________________________________________ Really? I thought they were engaged in protecting Iraqi's As the southern border is wide open , how are they protecting us or fulfilling their oath? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #4 June 24, 2005 >I thought they were engaged in protecting Iraqi's Currently, yes. They go where they are told to go, not where you would prefer them to go. If you were in the military you would go there too when you were ordered to. If you have a beef with where they are, take it up with the person who sent them there, rather than them. >As the southern border is wide open , how are they protecting us >or fulfilling their oath? I live by the border, and Otay is about two miles from it, so I can see it from the air. And I can tell you with pretty good confidence that there are no armies invading San Diego from Tijuana. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eaglenrider 0 #5 June 24, 2005 [I live by the border, and Otay is about two miles from it, so I can see it from the air. And I can tell you with pretty good confidence that there are no armies invading San Diego from Tijuana. According to Sen John McCain there are ten thousand per day . And as far as the soldiers, don't give me that following orders *crap*, It didn't work at Nuremberg and it doesn't work now. Each soldier is responsible for his own conduct at all times. Following orders is no excuse. Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #4 June 24, 2005 >I thought they were engaged in protecting Iraqi's Currently, yes. They go where they are told to go, not where you would prefer them to go. If you were in the military you would go there too when you were ordered to. If you have a beef with where they are, take it up with the person who sent them there, rather than them. >As the southern border is wide open , how are they protecting us >or fulfilling their oath? I live by the border, and Otay is about two miles from it, so I can see it from the air. And I can tell you with pretty good confidence that there are no armies invading San Diego from Tijuana. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eaglenrider 0 #5 June 24, 2005 [I live by the border, and Otay is about two miles from it, so I can see it from the air. And I can tell you with pretty good confidence that there are no armies invading San Diego from Tijuana. According to Sen John McCain there are ten thousand per day . And as far as the soldiers, don't give me that following orders *crap*, It didn't work at Nuremberg and it doesn't work now. Each soldier is responsible for his own conduct at all times. Following orders is no excuse. Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYBERT71 0 #6 June 24, 2005 It's a cover up by billvon and the U.S. government. They are helping the Mexicans invade the U.S. through San Diego. "If you have time to panic, you have time to do something more productive." Josh Whipple 7/15/70-2/10/05 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #7 June 24, 2005 the troll speaks again!!! it's like getting a civics lesson from tupac. kid, go live and learn, and then post sparingly or preferably...not at all. "Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RunJct 0 #8 June 24, 2005 I don't think there's anything in the Constitution where it says the purpose of the military is to defend our borders. I looked again and couldn't find anything in the Constitution other than the president being CIC, that you can't join if you've rebelled or given aid to the enemies, and of course the whole quartering of soldiers ammendment. I also looked up the oath of enlistment and oath of office for the Army. http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/faq/oaths.htm Even these don't mention protecting our borders. QuoteI will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not their job to necessarily protect the borders as it is to protect the Nation/Constitution from enemies, which terrorists in Iraq certainly qualify right now.If "if" were a fifth, then we'd all be drunk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eaglenrider 0 #9 June 24, 2005 Quotethe troll speaks again!!! Yeah , I noticed that I was deemed a troll on another thread. I'm not sure what that means. Saw some "salsa guys" post ,Salsa guy.., is that like an aids thing waiting to happen? So I thought I filled out the form comletely. I don't really care if you think I am a troll. It doesn't matter . Either way you will readf what I write. You justcan't help yourself!! Blues, Cliff it's like getting a civics lesson from tupac. kid, go live and learn, and then post sparingly or preferably...not at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #10 June 24, 2005 QuoteEither way you will readf what I write. You justcan't help yourself!!^--(good proofreading by the way...) likewise, heh? people like you entertain me when i'm not freeflying or learning how to swoop so, keep the comments coming!!"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vmsfreaky1 0 #11 June 24, 2005 There is no honour is war, I doubt i would be thinking about some oath I took when people are trying to kill me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverborg 0 #12 June 24, 2005 You must have the most bizarre arguments that I've seen from anyone on this website. It's pretty hard to think you're serious. I'm wondering if I'm not the only one who has thought you just post wierd shit to get a reaction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salsa_John 0 #13 June 24, 2005 How bout giving us a filled in user profile? Real Name: No name entered. Email: No email entered. Jump Profile Home DZ: No home dropzone entered. Gear Container: No container entered. Main Canopy: No main entered. Reserve Canopy: No reserve entered. AAD: No AAD entered. Registered: May 17, 2005, 2:35 PM Posts: 185 (4.9 per day) We will respect you more if you stand behind your words and not hide behind an anonymous pseudonym We don't bite....Much "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ViperPilot 0 #14 June 24, 2005 We defend this country so everyone, including YOU, can live how they want. It is only because of the military (past, present, and future) that this country has even survived, just like Bill said. The only reason you're sitting at your computer right now reading my post is because the US government and military made it possible. Thousands of men and women have died so that you can take that late night drive to Taco Bell, so that you can go skydiving on the weekends, so that you can breath the free air that you do. The oath I took means a lot to me. I take it very seriously. We are here to defend this country, and it seems that you haven't realized from multitudes of examples in history that this defense can only be accomplished by going abroad. We DO NOT want to fight the enemy at home, we want to fight them far away from home. It would be a huge mistake to just sit in the US and wait for the attack; we must bring the attack to the enemy. This will only help defend the US by not allowing war to take place on our soil. War has happened here; it destroyed a lot. We do not want that destruction to happen again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #15 June 24, 2005 >According to Sen John McCain there are ten thousand per day . He doesn't live here. >Each soldier is responsible for his own conduct at all times. >Following orders is no excuse. When you sign up, you agree to obey any lawful order. If you don't want to obey orders, don't sign up. Since we still have an all-volunteer military, it's simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperboy357 0 #16 June 24, 2005 Now do you even know what is said in the oath? You imply we have a really dumb volunteer army. Who is the dumb one here? I would be willing to bet the average ACT or SAT score of our "dumb" army is higher than yours. Instead of bitching about something perhaps you should try doing something about it. Perhaps pick up a weapon and take an oath. I did and I'm damn proud of it! I will continue to support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies even though loud mouths like you still bitch about something they don't comprehend. You also mention we don't have enough honor to honor our oath. You don't know the first thing about honor. SSG James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #17 June 24, 2005 QuoteAs the southern border is wide open , how are they protecting us or fulfilling their oath? Google "posse comitatus" and read some of the results. For the purposes that I believe that you are insinuating, the military is prohibited from doing anything. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #19 June 24, 2005 ARMCHAIR QUARTERBACK ALERT!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eaglenrider 0 #20 June 27, 2005 QuoteWe defend this country so everyone, including YOU, can live how they want. __________________________________________________ You do pat yourself on the back,don't you, ViperPilot. Can you explain to me how by the (unconstitutional) military action in Iraq our military is defending "this country"? Thanks. Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #21 June 27, 2005 230! I've furniture older than that!!!When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eaglenrider 0 #22 June 27, 2005 Quote I will continue to support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies __________________________________________________ Have you heard , James , of the recent Supreme Court decision which attempts to negate the private property Rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights? The Bill of Rights is a part of the Constitution and it does mention that privatwe property shall not be taken for public use without just compensation. As you are going to defend the Constitution, can we expect your speedy return form Iraq and your self-deployment on the court house steps? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eaglenrider 0 #23 June 27, 2005 QuoteQuoteAs the southern border is wide open , how are they protecting us or fulfilling their oath? Google "posse comitatus" and read some of the results. For the purposes that I believe that you are insinuating, the military is prohibited from doing anything. __________________________________________________ Interesting. Tell me ,Lawrocket, as the National Guard is now performing in the role of US military overseas, was it a violation of "posse comitatus" when they were deployed against those kids at Ohio State? How about when they were down in Mississippi against the State to open those state colledges to blacks? If that wasn't in violation of the posse comitatus clause, Why can't they be deployed to enforce our border laws? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #24 June 27, 2005 >Why can't they be deployed to enforce our border laws? They can be. But that's like sending the Air Force to clean up an oil spill. If you want to stop illegal border crossers, fund the border patrol. If you want to fight wars, fund the military. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #25 June 27, 2005 I worked with border patrol with their training, they actually have a good training program, the problem with them from my experience is that because of the high demand they tend to take anyone , same with immigration and they do not take the training nor the job as serious as some of the other federal officers we trained.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 1 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Skyrad 0 #21 June 27, 2005 230! I've furniture older than that!!!When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eaglenrider 0 #22 June 27, 2005 Quote I will continue to support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies __________________________________________________ Have you heard , James , of the recent Supreme Court decision which attempts to negate the private property Rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights? The Bill of Rights is a part of the Constitution and it does mention that privatwe property shall not be taken for public use without just compensation. As you are going to defend the Constitution, can we expect your speedy return form Iraq and your self-deployment on the court house steps? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eaglenrider 0 #23 June 27, 2005 QuoteQuoteAs the southern border is wide open , how are they protecting us or fulfilling their oath? Google "posse comitatus" and read some of the results. For the purposes that I believe that you are insinuating, the military is prohibited from doing anything. __________________________________________________ Interesting. Tell me ,Lawrocket, as the National Guard is now performing in the role of US military overseas, was it a violation of "posse comitatus" when they were deployed against those kids at Ohio State? How about when they were down in Mississippi against the State to open those state colledges to blacks? If that wasn't in violation of the posse comitatus clause, Why can't they be deployed to enforce our border laws? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #24 June 27, 2005 >Why can't they be deployed to enforce our border laws? They can be. But that's like sending the Air Force to clean up an oil spill. If you want to stop illegal border crossers, fund the border patrol. If you want to fight wars, fund the military. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #25 June 27, 2005 I worked with border patrol with their training, they actually have a good training program, the problem with them from my experience is that because of the high demand they tend to take anyone , same with immigration and they do not take the training nor the job as serious as some of the other federal officers we trained.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 1 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
eaglenrider 0 #23 June 27, 2005 QuoteQuoteAs the southern border is wide open , how are they protecting us or fulfilling their oath? Google "posse comitatus" and read some of the results. For the purposes that I believe that you are insinuating, the military is prohibited from doing anything. __________________________________________________ Interesting. Tell me ,Lawrocket, as the National Guard is now performing in the role of US military overseas, was it a violation of "posse comitatus" when they were deployed against those kids at Ohio State? How about when they were down in Mississippi against the State to open those state colledges to blacks? If that wasn't in violation of the posse comitatus clause, Why can't they be deployed to enforce our border laws? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #24 June 27, 2005 >Why can't they be deployed to enforce our border laws? They can be. But that's like sending the Air Force to clean up an oil spill. If you want to stop illegal border crossers, fund the border patrol. If you want to fight wars, fund the military. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #25 June 27, 2005 I worked with border patrol with their training, they actually have a good training program, the problem with them from my experience is that because of the high demand they tend to take anyone , same with immigration and they do not take the training nor the job as serious as some of the other federal officers we trained.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
