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Sure I do.Quoteyou DON'T think psych drugs are over-prescribed?
QuoteTalking out against (most) uses of psych drugs is a good thing.
Informing of other options is a good thing. Sometimes medicinal intervention helps.
But Mr. Cruise would not agree that there are some times when they ARE useful. As a present Adderall user (I started again last year after a 13 year hiatus) I also realize that they do have some value.
QuoteTeacher doesn't want rambunctions boys, just call it ADHD and drug them into being "calm."
Some don't want any form of medicinal treatment. They are both equally as bad. But when someone says, "This really helped me" it's pretty strange to tell someone that the person doesn't know what she's talking about.
I personally Tom may be a very happy man now. Maybe these steps really helped him. I just think he's getting nuttier and nuttier, and there is just something not right. Maybe Michael Jackson would tell me I'm being "ignorant" but it's how I see it.
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QuoteI miss so much because I don't watch TV . . .
I have no idea what they're talking about. It seems there was something on the cover of a magazine at the grocery store about him having a new romantic interest, but that's about the extent of my knowledge. I'm cool with that. My life is interesting enough, I don't concern myself with the lives of celebrities as well.
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Look, the only thing wrong with Tom right now is a case of Mid-Life Crisis. He just turned 41, left his wife, picked up with a young thing and found a new religion.
And yeah, I'm not so hopped up about Scientology as a religion as much as; more like a Rotary Club for the rich & famous. He's demonstrating a youthful exuberance for this new found "religion" not that unlike the myriad of new skydivers who view skydiving as their new found religion.
How many of us have seen the spike of "newly found passion" from new skydivers and the trying to get all their friends to share their experience until suddenly the newness wanes - costs set in, time, etc. Eventually, they fade back to their lives...
No different. We just happen to get to see his mid-life crisis since he's a high profile kinda guy. This too will pass.
And yeah, I'm not so hopped up about Scientology as a religion as much as; more like a Rotary Club for the rich & famous. He's demonstrating a youthful exuberance for this new found "religion" not that unlike the myriad of new skydivers who view skydiving as their new found religion.
How many of us have seen the spike of "newly found passion" from new skydivers and the trying to get all their friends to share their experience until suddenly the newness wanes - costs set in, time, etc. Eventually, they fade back to their lives...
No different. We just happen to get to see his mid-life crisis since he's a high profile kinda guy. This too will pass.
Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.
You know, I hadn't quite thought of it that way...
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QuoteLook, the only thing wrong with Tom right now is a case of Mid-Life Crisis. He just turned 41, left his wife, picked up with a young thing and found a new religion.
And yeah, I'm not so hopped up about Scientology as a religion as much as; more like a Rotary Club for the rich & famous. He's demonstrating a youthful exuberance for this new found "religion" not that unlike the myriad of new skydivers who view skydiving as their new found religion.
How many of us have seen the spike of "newly found passion" from new skydivers and the trying to get all their friends to share their experience until suddenly the newness wanes - costs set in, time, etc. Eventually, they fade back to their lives...
No different. We just happen to get to see his mid-life crisis since he's a high profile kinda guy. This too will pass.
extremely good comparison!!! well done man!! I think we all tried to get our friends to jump when we first started.
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Michele 1
I don't give a hot damned about who he's sleeping with, or what his religion is.
I do give a hella hot damned about his commentary on anti-depressants. His comments are irresponsible, callous, righteous, and dangerous for many, many people.
Certifiable? No. He gets to speak just as anyone else does. His commentary about psychiatry are out of line. Scientology - or "Dianetics" rather - speaks out directly against psychiatry, and all the attendent stuff. Scientology does, however, does indeed practice psychotherapy in the broadest sense of the term.
L. Ron Hubbard believed that all physical and psychiatric issues we experience is a direct result of something called an "engram," or an imprinting of an experience on a cellular level, perhaps as many as several lifetimes ago. Scientology teachers/counselors take the person back to the 'original' experience, and confront it, thus "clearing" it. Once you're "cleared" all will be well in your world; all the money, fame, health, happiness and other stuff will be with you automatically.
That's what I understand, at least, that Scientology teaches in regards to psychiatry. I dunno about the extra terrestrial comment someone made above, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Irrespective of all of that, Cruise's comments were/are dangerous, and I find myself appalled at his irresponsibility in his commentary. He has a right to say what he did...and I have a right to call him a dangerous, arrogant jackass (with sincere apologies to Vinny).
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Edited to add: a quick google search shows that Cruise joined Scientology in either the late '80's or early 90's...which is not such a recent conversion.
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I do give a hella hot damned about his commentary on anti-depressants. His comments are irresponsible, callous, righteous, and dangerous for many, many people.
Certifiable? No. He gets to speak just as anyone else does. His commentary about psychiatry are out of line. Scientology - or "Dianetics" rather - speaks out directly against psychiatry, and all the attendent stuff. Scientology does, however, does indeed practice psychotherapy in the broadest sense of the term.
L. Ron Hubbard believed that all physical and psychiatric issues we experience is a direct result of something called an "engram," or an imprinting of an experience on a cellular level, perhaps as many as several lifetimes ago. Scientology teachers/counselors take the person back to the 'original' experience, and confront it, thus "clearing" it. Once you're "cleared" all will be well in your world; all the money, fame, health, happiness and other stuff will be with you automatically.
That's what I understand, at least, that Scientology teaches in regards to psychiatry. I dunno about the extra terrestrial comment someone made above, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Irrespective of all of that, Cruise's comments were/are dangerous, and I find myself appalled at his irresponsibility in his commentary. He has a right to say what he did...and I have a right to call him a dangerous, arrogant jackass (with sincere apologies to Vinny).
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Michele
Edited to add: a quick google search shows that Cruise joined Scientology in either the late '80's or early 90's...which is not such a recent conversion.
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I do believe that answers his question.
Well, sort of. But at the very least, its rude to jump on other people's furniture.
I saw about 2 minutes of his interview with Matt Lauer, and if he hadn't contradicted himself and talked down to Matt so much I may have watched more. He came across as uneducated and arrogant.
QuoteYou know, I hadn't quite thought of it that way...
Actually, I put more thought into this, and I now have a new theory:
This guy's seemed fairly normal. In the past few weeks, he's been on a rampage against psychotropic drugs. Here's my theory:
He's been on anti-depressants or some other form of psychotropic drug for a while. However, he's been "educated" and now told that he does not need them.
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QuoteI miss so much because I don't watch TV . . .
Same here; you haven't missed much either!
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QuoteHe's been on anti-depressants or some other form of psychotropic drug for a while. However, he's been "educated" and now told that he does not need them.
Interesting theory, but I don't think it quite fits.
If Cruise indeed joined Scientology in the late 80's, he would, by now, be very, very, very well versed in LRH's position on psychiatry, and all the different techniques to get "clear." I read somewhere that Scientologists are told that they will not be able to achieve "clear" status if they take so much as aspirin on a regular basis, although I am not sure that's accurate. But surely, LRH's intense hatred of mainstream psychology is well known, and, I'm sure, equally well taught throughout the "orgs."
As he claimed in the Lauer interview, he knows the history of psychology. I just wonder where he learned it.
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As he claimed in the Lauer interview, he knows the history of psychology. I just wonder where he learned it.
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QuoteTeacher doesn't want rambunctions boys, just call it ADHD and drug them into being "calm."
As a teacher this type of statement really pisses me off. From my perspective it is the parents who do not want to admit that they have failed to set limits in their child's life, and at some point they have to face the music. A child who has had no limits who comes into my classroom is in for a rough year. It is not always the teacher who wants the drugs. I wish we had more parents actually parenting rather than sticking their kids on drugs the minute things get a little rough.
On the other hand...I am furious that Tom fucking Cruise is out there bashing Brooke Shields for taking the antidepressant she needed after the birth of her child. There are a lot of clinically depressed people who refues to take drugs because of the social stigma attached to using such drugs. I am here to say that I would be dead today if it were not for antidepressants. I thank God everyday that I had a then boyfriend and neurologist who insisted that I started taking antidepressants two and a half years ago. I am also thankful that my fiance and I decided that I needed additional help last fall as my father was dying. If I had not changed to a different antidepressant, I truly believe that I would have gone through with my plans to kill myself.
My fear is that people will shy away from getting the help they need because Tom fucking Cruise bashes the use of these drugs. Easy for a person who does not truly need them.
BTW...I have been off the antidepressants for two months now, and am feeling good. Skymedic and I are monitoring my mental health on a daily basis....to keep me from getting that low again.
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Michele 1
QuoteThere are a lot of clinically depressed people who refuse to take drugs because of the social stigma attached to using such drugs.
Absolutely correct. And a lot of them suicide because they need the meds, but don't see how they can take them because the people around them point and call names and just plain don't understand what clinical depression is and is not. Not being able to have the support of those around you makes a tough tough fight even harder.
Anne, thanks for speaking about this. I am really glad to hear you're doing well...and equally glad to hear you and Marc are watching carefully.
And yes, 'Twardo, I answered my own question. It's just a pity. The more I read about Scientology, the more I am glad I am not of that "religion."
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Tom is getting scarier and scarier. It is disappointing to me, because I used to have a HUGE crush on him as a teenager (come on, that volleyball scene in Top Gun?!?! It was hot).
I thought his Oprah performance was a bit unusual. I think his comments about psychiatry display an obvious arrogance and show he is hugely misinformed. To say that you have studied the history of psychiatry and know what is best for human being regardless of their individual circumstances is laughable. And I would laugh, if I didn't think his comments were so damaging. I would love for someone who is actually well versed in the principles of psychiatry to come and burst his little scientology-made bubble. As a scientist, it is just a ridiculous statement.
And as for his condemnation of Brooke Shields, I wanted to ask him how many children he has had, and had he ever felt postnatal depression. Brooke Shields was exceptionally courageous in discussing her experiences with postnatal depression, and he just gives these throw away lines about how you can treat it with vitamins and excercise. It is insulting and WRONG.
Not so long ago here in Australia, a journalist from 60 minutes had an interview with him. The journalist was asked to attend a 4 hour crash course in scientology before the interview. Is this unusual, cult-ish like behaviour, or is it just me being narrow minded?
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I thought his Oprah performance was a bit unusual. I think his comments about psychiatry display an obvious arrogance and show he is hugely misinformed. To say that you have studied the history of psychiatry and know what is best for human being regardless of their individual circumstances is laughable. And I would laugh, if I didn't think his comments were so damaging. I would love for someone who is actually well versed in the principles of psychiatry to come and burst his little scientology-made bubble. As a scientist, it is just a ridiculous statement.
And as for his condemnation of Brooke Shields, I wanted to ask him how many children he has had, and had he ever felt postnatal depression. Brooke Shields was exceptionally courageous in discussing her experiences with postnatal depression, and he just gives these throw away lines about how you can treat it with vitamins and excercise. It is insulting and WRONG.
Not so long ago here in Australia, a journalist from 60 minutes had an interview with him. The journalist was asked to attend a 4 hour crash course in scientology before the interview. Is this unusual, cult-ish like behaviour, or is it just me being narrow minded?
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Michele, glad you chimed in... I'm joining the thread late and was getting well chapped about Mr. Cruise and his comments to Mr. Lauer.
As someone who has a graduate education in psychology and 11 years experience in the therapy and psychopharmacology research fields, comments like Cruises only perpetuate the unfortunate dichotomy that drugs are all bad (and no one should take them) or they are all good (and everyone should take them).
One of his comments on Today was that all antidepressants do is mask other problems. That is only partially correct. While SSRIs like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, etc. are more accurately described as "mood elevators" rather than classic antidepressants (and thus, even those who are suffering from an adjustment disorder may get some benefit, although they often should just learn to adjust better), for many people whose depression is so severe that therapy cannot yet work, these drugs open a window, lift the mood, and give someone the mental wherewithall to get INTO therapy and grow. W/o the drugs, such people are difficult to reach. Furthermore, some people simply do not have the mental constitution to benefit from therapy. I've seen plenty of those here in the south, if you know what I mean. For them, such drugs are lifesavers, figuritively and literally.
Cruise is right about ritalin, again to an extent... it and aderall and other drugs are over-prescribed. And they are abused. but that doesn't mean you through the baby out w/ the bathwater.
Again, Cruise was irresponsible and reckless in his comments. His statements have the very real potential to cause people suffering for legitemate mental illnesses and problems serious harm.
Sorry for the long, rambling sentences. It's late and I haven't had my Zoloft
-the artist formerly known as sinker
As someone who has a graduate education in psychology and 11 years experience in the therapy and psychopharmacology research fields, comments like Cruises only perpetuate the unfortunate dichotomy that drugs are all bad (and no one should take them) or they are all good (and everyone should take them).
One of his comments on Today was that all antidepressants do is mask other problems. That is only partially correct. While SSRIs like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, etc. are more accurately described as "mood elevators" rather than classic antidepressants (and thus, even those who are suffering from an adjustment disorder may get some benefit, although they often should just learn to adjust better), for many people whose depression is so severe that therapy cannot yet work, these drugs open a window, lift the mood, and give someone the mental wherewithall to get INTO therapy and grow. W/o the drugs, such people are difficult to reach. Furthermore, some people simply do not have the mental constitution to benefit from therapy. I've seen plenty of those here in the south, if you know what I mean. For them, such drugs are lifesavers, figuritively and literally.
Cruise is right about ritalin, again to an extent... it and aderall and other drugs are over-prescribed. And they are abused. but that doesn't mean you through the baby out w/ the bathwater.
Again, Cruise was irresponsible and reckless in his comments. His statements have the very real potential to cause people suffering for legitemate mental illnesses and problems serious harm.
Sorry for the long, rambling sentences. It's late and I haven't had my Zoloft
-the artist formerly known as sinker
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QuoteNot so long ago here in Australia, a journalist from 60 minutes had an interview with him. The journalist was asked to attend a 4 hour crash course in scientology before the interview. Is this unusual, cult-ish like behaviour, or is it just me being narrow minded?
I'm leaning more towards cultish... but it the language of Scientology is rather foriegn to most of us, so maybe it was just an attempt at gaining a comment footing on which to speak?
-the artist formerly known as sinker
Great post..did you see him on OPRAH? My goodness...Unbelievable!
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QuoteQuoteIgnorance is bliss!
If you can consider not knowing what Tom Cruise said about Brook Sheilds "ignorance" that strikes me as pretty ignorant.
I thought exactly the same thing as you Angela. I wouldn't call being oblivious to the latest celebrity gossip "ignorance". Missing world news is a better example of ignorance.
Edited: For the record, I'm not calling anyone here "ignorant".
That's exactly what the word ignorant means. "lacking knowledge"
It's not actually much of an insult calling someone ignorant, if they do not know somthing, it's only a descriptive word.
Some people are so ignorant
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Talking out against (most) uses of psych drugs is a good thing. Yes, bad for drug companies' profits, but a good thing. Somehow most people made it through the millenia without them. Some need them, and should have them. Not the percentage of the population that is taking them now, however.
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