My, my, isn't the US a great place?

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I agree with Muenkel. You put into the system all those years and now you get to collect. Have no second thoughts. It's yours. Keep the faith and get well.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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honestly I do not wish my illness on you or anyone else. My response was written out of emotion and wish to take it back

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I'm didnt take offense my friend. I come into the forums with thick skin and plan on possibly being offended and maybe even offending someone else so it's not problem, it can get a little hot.

I do, however, wish that this country would get back on track and help those in need.

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I do to my friend! I have no problem with a man who says I NEED HELP. What can I do to help that person. If you have cancer or whatever and cannot work. I am all for that. But the 21-35 year old healthy except for the 40 he just drank, sitting around and doesnt work just because he doesnt have to I have a big problem with that.

Why should MY money go to help someone bedridden with cancer or AIDS.***

Because your human and by nature should have some compassion for your fellow man. I think you misunderstood the entire points I tried to make, if your sick I'm all for helping the sick and injured!

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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telling from your picture you can't be much more than 16.

Add another 10 years to that, man I feel good thaks for the compliment.

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When I was 16, I also believed that the world was just waiting for me. It ain't so...

But you'll find that out soon enough...until such time, you'll be forever Rookie.

I have experienced that life isnt a little peach all the time. I have had my up's and down's. Got out of the Army, got involved with a business with a friend. Made a Shit load of money, living the good life them BOOM! Then broke on my ass and not knowing what to do. It's a scary place to be. This is just one of the little things life has thrown at me. But I did the best with what I had decided that wasnt the way of life I wanted to go anyway went to school and here I am.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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I myself have HIV. My t-cell have dropped to under 300 and my viral load is above 30,000. I feel like shit on a daily basis. I live on disability (go ahead, call me a freeloader, I do not care what others think of that, hell, it is my taxes also).

I would never call anybody and havent called anybody who is sick and needs help a freeloader. Maybe I need to go back and re-word somethings. I'm speaking about the ones who never put anything in and are not sick and able to work but choose to suck off the system.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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It used to be a great place before our elite communist party-style congress turned inward away from the people. Now they only care about their own mega retirement and health care. Filling their war chests with money from corporate America keeps these assholes going. They love to see dissent and unrest among us poor slobs so they can carry on business as usual (I bet they love Speakers Corner). Trouble is, short of a revolution, how do we take this place back?

What a dink, modifying my words. Simple things - simple minds

Not hardly kid. It was not intentional. Just what do you mean by dink? For some of us it's like gook or other hate words.EDITED TO: ADD BTW don't go back to school. It sounds like some liberal commie pinko got your soul the first time. You need to develop some good work ethics and prepare for a dismal future.

Kid? I could be a grandfather, berley, but still a gramp and I'm a kid.....

It was not intentional.

Uh, ok. You modified my words and posted them as mine - be man enough to admit it.

Just what do you mean by dink?

I'm thinking of how many ways that can be taken.

For some of us it's like gook or other hate words.

Wouldn't that be, "Chink?" Quit weakly attempting to make yourself a victim - you know what I meant.

BTW don't go back to school. It sounds like some liberal commie pinko got your soul the first time.

Instead of aimless rhetoric, why not discuss what makes an American conservative and what makes a, "liberal commie pinko" and the merits of each. I'm sure you are inable.

You need to develop some good work ethics and prepare for a dismal future.


Why, I'm working on my second degree and I'm entering a very lucrative field - life will be great.

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I live on disability (go ahead, call me a freeloader, I do not care what others think of that, hell, it is my taxes also).

Good for you! No one should feel guilty about collecting SSDI for legitimate reasons. You've paid into the system and now you need its benefit. SSDI is not a free handout like other 'entitlements' (of course other entitlements can be legitimate also). It's when these programs are abused that pisses people off. As you said, you're fighting a disease and feel like shit daily. Accept your SSDI and don't think twice about it.

Hang in there, and I will keep you in my prayers. People like you deserve our compassion, not our critcism.

Chris

This pots is about welfare / entitlements / gov benefits for the needy and not about anyone. Funny how some scream like crazy when the welfare mother with a kid in each arm and 1 in the oven gets food stamps, yet whne corps get unfair breaks the answers are:

1. Corps need to make a profit

2. It's unfair to impede commerce

3. W/o corps we would all be in trouble

4. If we don't give cops breaks, they will pull upo and do business overseas (truth is the gov can place tarriffs and restrictions so they can't do that)

But when our current murderer in chief wants to start a war on unfounded merit (WMD's), and we need victims to go fight this crap, who do we turn to???? Uh, welfare mom, can you slide us a baby or three to go die for Haliburton's 100's of millions and this lame concept of patriotism?

System of a Down, BYOB talks of, "Why do they send the Poor" which is a direct statement of this.

In the US we are taught to hate anyone poorer than we are; this is a byproduct of Capitalism. In schools we teach kids that grading on a curve is beneficial, so if you are around inferior people you will do better. I had a professor from Italy and he said they would degrade you as k-12 student there if you failed to work with several kids around you. The idea in Socialist-based countries is that if you're selfish you willbe downgraded - in the US it's advantageous to to do better than the people around you - compete with and destriy everyone is how it morphs out in real life as adults.

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I myself have HIV. My t-cell have dropped to under 300 and my viral load is above 30,000. I feel like shit on a daily basis. I live on disability (go ahead, call me a freeloader, I do not care what others think of that, hell, it is my taxes also).

I would never call anybody and havent called anybody who is sick and needs help a freeloader. Maybe I need to go back and re-word somethings. I'm speaking about the ones who never put anything in and are not sick and able to work but choose to suck off the system.

I'm speaking about the ones who never put anything in and are not sick and able to work but choose to suck off the system.


You mean like babies born with AIDS? God Damned freeloaders - never put anything in and now they want to live. Now if they coyld dunk a BBall, well, they would be certainly worthy of med help.

I could go back and build a library where you 180'd yourself on your positions once a real live person, a military veteran that has put more into this country in his life than most Republihaters on this board could ever conceive of, but I don't think I need to.

I'm 43 and I started college 10 years ago with a mentality like yours. I'm an Air Force veteran and I was a registered Repugnican, still am actualy, but I was so-called liberalized after Icould no longer keep the facade of bullshit lies propagated by the whitey-righties (BTW I am white - I didn't mean that in a skin color context) going; Ihad to concede to the truth.

Again, you are a young kid, keep your opinions with a grain of salt because you may 180 them at the drop of a hat. This attitude of intollerance will likely haunt you at one time in your life if you live long enough and you may become very liberal.

Ray Krone, guy that spent 3 years on AZ death row and 7 more in GP for a murder he didin't commit, after 2 trials which he was convicted both times, was pro-cap pun and pro intollerance in general, is now an advocate for the opposite.

Just relax your hate / intollerance for the poor / ill / needy, as you may become one at some point.

Last question and pls answer: If all the "needless" welfare were discontinued, would your taxes be reduced? With the courts allocating all the power to corps, as they can now take your house for private corp needs, do you think the courts are on our side? With the so-called war and furloughing 1 billion per week to Haliburton and the sort, don't you think the gov would find another way to spend the $$ that were saved from not having, "giveaways?"

Answer those.

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But when our current murderer in chief wants to start a war on unfounded merit (WMD's), and we need victims to go fight this crap, who do we turn to???? Uh, welfare mom, can you slide us a baby or three to go die for Haliburton's 100's of millions and this lame concept of patriotism?

Yeah thats what they say everyday. I need a welfare baby to hire in 18 years. Ok we get it---you hate Bush, what in the hell does that have to do with what was posted at the begging of this thread?

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yet whne corps get unfair breaks the answers are:

1. Corps need to make a profit

2. It's unfair to impede commerce

3. W/o corps we would all be in trouble

What unfair breaks are you talking about?

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4. If we don't give cops breaks, they will pull upo and do business overseas (truth is the gov can place tarriffs and restrictions so they can't do that)

It's called free trade man! Your idol Mr. Clinton signed that big turd!

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In the US we are taught to hate anyone poorer than we are;

I do not!!!!! hate people who make less then I do. I do hate the people who never make the effort to make it on there own without assistance from the rest of us.

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this is a byproduct of Capitalism.

I must have been asleep this day of economics.

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The idea in Socialist-based countries is that if you're selfish you willbe downgraded

So they want everyone to suck equally! Nobody can be better than the person next to you. Sounds like a great place to live.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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My, my, isn't the US a great place?

Well....yes.....it is.

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This pots is about welfare / entitlements / gov benefits for the needy and not about anyone. Funny how some scream like crazy when the welfare mother with a kid in each arm and 1 in the oven gets food stamps, yet whne corps get unfair breaks the answers are:

1. Corps need to make a profit

2. It's unfair to impede commerce

3. W/o corps we would all be in trouble

4. If we don't give cops breaks, they will pull upo and do business overseas (truth is the gov can place tarriffs and restrictions so they can't do that)

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i think these are totally unrelated. first of all are you suggesting that people who abuse the welfare system, like the unwed mother of three with another one on the way with no job, are somehow linked to corporate scandals? i am all for the imprisonment of guys like kozlowski who should be in jail for the rest of their lives. they are crooks and have literally robbed tens upon thousands of people of their lives. back to welfare leeches, and no i'm not talking about anyone who truly fits in the category of needing assistance such as the gentelman in the earlier post with AIDS as i feel for him and wish him well and truly hope the system will get him more help than he is currently receiving. the aforementioned lady with many kids is directly responsible for bankrupting the welfare state and is taking away from guys like freethefly.

secondly, with respect to

Uh, welfare mom, can you slide us a baby or three to go die for Haliburton's 100's of millions and this lame concept of patriotism?

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the draft isn't in swing right now is it? i believe the military is a voluntary service unless i have missed something.

System of a Down, BYOB talks of, "Why do they send the Poor" which is a direct statement of this.

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have no clue what system of a down is. is that publication or talk show or something? please explain.

In the US we are taught to hate anyone poorer than we are; this is a byproduct of Capitalism.

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was anyone else taught this? i must be in the minority. i came from a small farming community where we all lived meagerly and not one time was i ever told by any authority figures to hate people of lesser financial status.

In schools we teach kids that grading on a curve is beneficial, so if you are around inferior people you will do better.

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grading curves don't create inferior people. they are everywhere.....even in socialist countries.

I had a professor from Italy and he said they would degrade you as k-12 student there if you failed to work with several kids around you.

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may i ask what happens when the doer's that help the non-doer's still fail at bringing them up to a higher level or grade? no one can force kids to work hard....you have to do the work yourself.

The idea in Socialist-based countries is that if you're selfish you willbe downgraded

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please explain selfish in more detail. by selfish do you mean separating yourself from the pack by working harder and not waiting for someone else to do it for you.

- in the US it's advantageous to to do better than the people around you

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holy shit is anyone else in this forum absolutely flabbergasted at this statement? hell yes it's to your advantage to do better than someone else. if you choose to break the law or cheat to achieve this then you should go to jail. that's why i live here in this fantastic country....b/c i don't have to wait for the government to provide for me....i can do it myself. if i lived in a socialist nation i would sit on my ass b/c there is no incentive to do more than you are asked.

- compete with and destriy everyone is how it morphs out in real life as adults.***

compete....absolutely. destroy....only if you want to break the law. i love to beat the proverbial hell out of my work competition and there is no law preventing me from doing so. please tell me how providing the best service and product to consumers is somehow destructive.

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You mean like babies born with AIDS? God Damned freeloaders

Ok now your stretching everything I say! I have always said the ONES WHO CAN WORK!!!!!!!! I dont know a better way to put it.

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Now if they coyld dunk a BBall, well, they would be certainly worthy of med help.

Dont know about that one, I hate baksetball anyway.

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I could go back and build a library where you 180'd yourself on your positions once a real live person, a military veteran that has put more into this country in his life

Funny how you say I dont care about the Veterans since I'm a veteran myself!

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I'm 43 and I started college 10 years ago with a mentality like yours.

You have no idea the mentality that I have my friend. They are simply things I believe in and you comparing you to me after your so called liberalization when you dont even know me. Come on, I gove you a lot more credit than that.

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This attitude of intollerance***

Intollerance? Why because I want people to fend for themselves and not want someone else to fend for them?

This attitude of intollerance will likely haunt you at one time in your life if you live long enough and you may become very liberal.

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This my friend I can gurantee you will never happen!

If all the "needless" welfare were discontinued, would your taxes be reduced?

First off not all welfare is needless but Probably not! Thats the one thing that really pisses me off that congress will have some BS pork spending bill on standby to take care of that money I'm sure.

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With the so-called war

Is that what you call some of my friends getting shot at- A so called war? Coming from a vet I'm surprised.

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1 billion per week to Haliburton and the sort, don't you think the gov would find another way to spend the $$ that were saved from not having, "giveaways?"

Yeah not having a war against people who want to kill us should be done on our homeland. I think a few more buildings being knocked down and people leaping to there death or a bunch of car bombs on Rodeo DR. would be so much better and cheaper, and to top it off the big bad mean Corp of Halliburton wouldnt get that money. That would be so much cheaper.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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holy shit is anyone else in this forum absolutely flabbergasted at this statement? hell yes it's to your advantage to do better than someone else. if you choose to break the law or cheat to achieve this then you should go to jail. that's why i live here in this fantastic country....b/c i don't have to wait for the government to provide for me....i can do it myself. if i lived in a socialist nation i would sit on my ass b/c there is no incentive to do more than you are asked.

Thank you my friend I thought I was the only one thinking here on the same line. You summed it up better than I did!

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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System of a Down, BYOB talks of, "Why do they send the Poor" which is a direct statement of this.

just in case anyone else was in my situation and didn't know what system of a down was please click the link.

http://www.systemofadown.com/

i searched and found these guys. they are a band. i'm not sure what to think....please tell me this is not who you draw your political ideaology from. i thought you were a free thinker? not telling you what to do ebsb52, but if you want people to take you seriously then posting on a world wide forum that you put anything beyond entertainment value on a bunch of guys like this band is not a stellar idea....in my humble opinion.

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and back to another topic. i posted a few days ago that is your disdain for this country is so great and your criticism so consistent.....why don't you leave? by reading your posts there is evidently nothing good happening in america....only a glutton would stay in an environment that is apparently as abusive as this country seems to be in your view.

again. i will buy you a first class ticket anywhere in the world AND give you $10,000 cash. the caveat is you can never return. i will accompany you to washington d.c. where i will watch you sign your citizenship away. this will give you what you want. a freebie----$10,000 bucks. you will also be rid of evil, capitalist pigs like me and free to pursue your utopian society where creativity, motivation and self-reliance are discouraged and frowned upon.

i will be the first to break this to you....you aren't going to find a better deal than this. free maket economies work and if you can't handle that then maybe you should take me up on the offer. remember though, when you cross the border that's it. i'm sure i will have a lot of people on this forum standing right there with me waving goodbye with a big smile. maybe we could get you an ever bigger money pot and start a going away fund for you.

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Thanks to Bush and his Republican friends, we are currently running a record deficit. That means the US is living way beyond its means already. The US government is borrowing $1.64Billion every day while it cut taxes for the richest Americans and wages an optional and expensive war started for Bush's political gain.

I don't think you need to be lecturing anyone about how the poor expect handouts.

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[lisamariewillbe 1]

Its a time of war , WAR cost money and lives. Part of the price we pay to continue being free.

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

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Thanks to Bush and his Republican friends, we are currently running a record deficit. That means the US is living way beyond its means already. The US government is borrowing $1.64Billion every day while it cut taxes for the richest Americans and wages an optional and expensive war started for Bush's political gain.

i agree the federal budget deficit is a scary prospect at the moment. i do want to ask you a question or two regarding the tax breaks and the economy.

1. who stimulates the economy? specifically, who spends money that directly boosts local economies?
low income, middle income or high income households?

2. no matter what side of the political spectrum you fall on this should be an easy one. what happens when you increase the taxes on the people who have disposable income to stimulate the economy? they keep more and spend less. the result is the economy is stifled and jobs are lost. taxing the rich and redistributing more to the poor will never, under any economic model, increase economic activity. yes the war is expensive and ugly, but if you think taxing upper income and small business america is the answer to offsetting the federal budget deficit please feel free to explain.

i will tell you what i will do if a guy like kerry gets in and raises my taxes so he can give it to the people unwilling to work. i will promply close a few offices and cut some jobs. why, b/c i will earn more in the end by being in a lower tax bracket and giving less away. the liberals in washington will never be smarter than the forces that drive our economy.

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Its a time of war , WAR cost money and lives. Part of the price we pay to continue being free.

Explain how the war in Iraq is helping keep us free.

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What you're not doing is looking at the hypothetical end to your model of a selfish nation

The model of a selfish nation? I'm gonna have to say thats a bunch of BS. Whenever a country has a flood, typhoon, earthquake of whatever which country is it that has a fleet of cargo planes haulling ass to there disaster with food, water, medical supplies, doctors and building supplies? Oh that right it;s the US. .

Well, maybe it's Japan and the UK. See here:

www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1706050#1706050

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[lisamariewillbe 1]

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

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while it cut taxes for the richest Americans

Who are these richest americans? Anyone who makes over $100,000 a year. Sounds like greed envy to me. My father made $220,000 last year, he took home $145,000. Doesnt sound like a tax break to me. Sounds like wealth redistribution. Now for someone who makes $50,000 a year what do you think would be a fair amount of taxes?

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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Well, maybe it's Japan and the UK. See here:

Does that also count the cost of a navy battle group and helicopters flying everything in along with the airforce and the cost of the cargo planes? Just wondering. I seemed to miss seeing Japans A/C carriers of the coast.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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Well, maybe it's Japan and the UK. See here:

Does that also count the cost of a navy battle group and helicopters flying everything in along with the airforce and the cost of the cargo planes? Just wondering. I seemed to miss seeing Japans A/C carriers of the coast.

Is "send a battle group" your only solution to the world's troubles?

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Is "send a battle group" your only solution to the world's troubles?

Well how else do you think the supplies were getting there? The fairy from down the street wasnt flying the stuff in. The soldiers looking for survivers and giving medical assistance. They have to get there some how. Sitting around singing Blowing in the wind isnt gonna accomplish anything.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[lisamariewillbe 1]

I heard we sent the supplies on a wave, just let it ride in the tide, damn were a horrible country, to provide relief to people on such a large scale when

Note the sarcasim

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this