My, my, isn't the US a great place?

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050625/ap_on_go_co/congress_spending&printer=1;_ylt=AhuPjKrxCyyh46Bom_hBXeuMwfIE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-

Huge cuts to jobs programs: Billions for the useless war....

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Oh I've got no comment concerning this story other than to say that I'm not surprised.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[Rookie120 0]

I think they need to cut more! Why should I pay for somebody's health insurance?Why dont I pay there car insurance or car payment while I'm at it. Or pay for they to learn how to work? Who needs to learn how to work? Whats wrong with going to school to learn a trade and have student loans? Oh thats right, the freeloaders of the world want someone else to pay for it. I have never been rich by any means but I bust my ass paid my way through school full time while working full time and you find a way to get by. And for the thread title, yes the US is a wonderful place! Whew, Ok I'm off the box now!

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[rushmc 23]

I have not looked into the numbers for this story but, usually when the media talks about "cuts" in funding somthing what really is happening is the "normal" increases have been reduced.

But saying the spening increases have been reduced doesn't have the same story impact.............

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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i like the way you think Rookie120. it's nice to hear someone say they don't expect the government to do for them what they can do for themselves. i admit there are always going to be some hard luck cases out there that do need assistance, but you are proving it can be done. i worked two jobs in high school, worked my way through college and am still busting arse. not once have i said...poor me why can't the government or some rich person do it for me. good on you Rookie120. if you keep that attitude up one day you will get where you want to go. most people sit and wait and you are going out to get it. i have a relative who constantly calls me asking for loans and i would love to help him, but you know why i don't. b/c he works maybe 20 hours a week and doesn't even make an effort to find another job. why, b/c he can call me and guilt me into giving him some money. meanwhile he has enough cash to smoke 2 packs of marlboros a day, hit the bar every night and live at a subsistence level. the significance of the cigs is that he can't comprehend that they are casing his respitory problems not to metion his cash problems. i have even offered him a job with me, but he would have to work 50-70 hours a week full time.....and you know what the answer to that one is already.

[tcnelson 1]

yes; one more time for the cheap seats!!! america is a great place.

i almost shed a tear for those not able to get their free shit. let us teach the masses that it's better to suck on the public tit than to earn a living and be part of the solution.

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
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I think they need to cut more! Why should I pay for somebody's health insurance?Why dont I pay there car insurance or car payment while I'm at it. Or pay for they to learn how to work? Who needs to learn how to work? Whats wrong with going to school to learn a trade and have student loans? Oh thats right, the freeloaders of the world want someone else to pay for it. I have never been rich by any means but I bust my ass paid my way through school full time while working full time and you find a way to get by. And for the thread title, yes the US is a wonderful place! Whew, Ok I'm off the box now!

What you're not doing is looking at the hypothetical end to your model of a selfish nation. If there were zero assistance then we would litterally have people dying in the streets. Your model is viewable if you get ahold of a book about the Hoover 1 era, which Reagan and Bush 2 seem(ed) to want to immulate.

In Hoover's era, people were homeless by the millions and they were even turning toward Communism, not as an ideology, but for survival. Many rich who were benefiting from Hoovers corp cash giveaways actually voted out Hoover due to the fatc that they would suffer more if people rejected Capitalism than if the cash freebies stopped.

You are a young guy and like most young people, maybe a little idealistoc. Ya it would be nice to have everyone self-sufficient all the time, but that is beyong utopia.

As for your correlation from health insuranece to car insurance, these are the types of arguments that people turn to when theyreally don't have one and want to be semantic. An auto is somewhat of a luxury with public transit, but health insurance or public health care is a neccessity.

I worked my way thru college too, just got my degree 3 years ago, now working on a second one.

You won't like what you see when we keep putting personal and corp profits ahead of social care for each other. Why do you think the crime rate is so high as compared to some other socialist nations? If people can't eat they will die trying to survive. Most of us would do what we had to do to feed themselves and their kids, and bad things happen to good people. If your model was to be placed into effecst, you wouldn't like what you see.

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I have not looked into the numbers for this story but, usually when the media talks about "cuts" in funding somthing what really is happening is the "normal" increases have been reduced.

But saying the spening increases have been reduced doesn't have the same story impact.............

I think it goes both ways at different times. Sometimes they are outright cuts, sometimes they are proposals that are cut.

Kinda like when Bush cut the proposals to cut the amount of arsenic we would have in the drinking water. Bush didn't overtly add arsenic to the drinking water, he refused to carry thru with the proposed cuts, vircarioulsy increasing the amount of arsenic we have in the water today.

Same with these cuts, which were done by our Republican Congress, if they are about proposals to the increase that are cut, then vicariously they are roadblocks to future assistance and are cuts.

Again, I don't know that these are proposals that are cuts as you conjectured, they may be overt cuts to existing prograns.

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yes; one more time for the cheap seats!!! america is a great place.

i almost shed a tear for those not able to get their free shit. let us teach the masses that it's better to suck on the public tit than to earn a living and be part of the solution.

OK but first we need to finish our teachings to our fellow countrymen and women that greed is placed before help. Our model of Darwinism wil be taught first by way of survival of the fittest, natural selection, and just plain greed..... then we can have giveaways..

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What you're not doing is looking at the hypothetical end to your model of a selfish nation

The model of a selfish nation? I'm gonna have to say thats a bunch of BS. Whenever a country has a flood, typhoon, earthquake of whatever which country is it that has a fleet of cargo planes haulling ass to there disaster with food, water, medical supplies, doctors and building supplies? Oh that right it;s the US. So much for the selfish nation. When our Towers got knocked down which country sent us money? When the US has a Hurricane who sends us money or help? When California has an earthquake who sends doctors, building materials? I cant think of any. But were the selfish nation? I dont buy that one bit.

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If there were zero assistance then we would litterally have people dying in the streets.

I dont think so. There are people who need the assistance and that's fine. Either from illness, injury or what not they cannot work and I am all for helping them. But the guy who wanted to smoke week all through school or not go at all and drink his 40 on the weekend I have a problem with him leaching off the rest of the hard working americans. And lets not forget about the lady with 6 kids, 6 different dads and sit's around waitting for her check every month. Why is it my responsbility to support her stupid ass because she doesnt know what birth control is or better yet how to keep her legs closed?

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You are a young guy and like most young people, maybe a little idealistoc.

No--- I'm a realist, big difference!

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Ya it would be nice to have everyone self-sufficient all the time, but that is beyong utopia.

So you should tax the shit out of me until I'm at the level of all the deadbeats of the nation. It's hard to climb the ladder of wealth when you have someone hanging on your feet.

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As for your correlation from health insuranece to car insurance, these are the types of arguments that people turn to when theyreally don't have one and want to be semantic. An auto is somewhat of a luxury with public transit, but health insurance or public health care is a neccessity.

Ok then---How about I pay for there grocery bill instead? Food is a neccessity.

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You won't like what you see when we keep putting personal and corp profits ahead of social care for each other.

So what are you trying to say here? That a company shouldnt be allowed to turn a profit? I shouldnt be able to make money if someone else doesnt? What we really need is for people to stop waitting with there hands out wanting someone to give them a free ride.

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Why do you think the crime rate is so high as compared to some other socialist nations?

Other socialist nation huh. Well England's crime with guns rate has exploded because the law abiding citizens are not allowed to own one and there is a lot more to type but I think I have done enough. As for trying to compare the US to a socialist nation I would say go live there if you think it will be so great. Heard Cuba and China has great health care and welfare benefits.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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Rookie, I hope someday you find yourself in a desperate situation. Maybe cancer, maybe MS, maybe AIDS and after you lose your insurance and find yourself desperate for care then I doubt you will say the samething. I joined the Navy right after high school, payed for my own college, worked 6 days a week inspecting railroads across America, 7 days a week inspecting railroad throughout Mexico. I made over 50k in the earlier 90's and payed high taxes on it. I supported this government and did as I should. Now what is wrong with expecting something back in return. I did not do it all so our government can go waltzing across the planet waging war. I did it because I believed that my hard work will help me and others in a time of need. You think you are so patriotic and talk like you are king shit. News flash, you are not secured in your job, it can disappear in a heartbeat (just ask the 25,000 who are losing their jobs with GM). You think you are secured with good health, that also can change in a heartbeat. Your home and property, well that too can be taken from you. Medicine and good healthcare, again, that also can be withheld from you. A high number of people you refer to as "freeloaders" are people who have fought for this country. They are people who have toiled long thankless hours in sweatbox factories. A high number of these people lost pensions that were wasted by management. I am not religous but I will pray that with your attitude towards the people in need that you too find yourself in need and recieve none.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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I hope someday you find yourself in a desperate situation. Maybe cancer, maybe MS, maybe AIDS and after you lose your insurance and find yourself desperate for care then I doubt you will say the samething.

Maybe you should read what I wrote. I said for the people who truly need I'm all for it. But it's the leaches of the nation who drag it down. The ones who never put anything into the system and just sit with there hand out.

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I supported this government and did as I should. Now what is wrong with expecting something back in return.

What are you wanting in return? Do you want a free ride for the rest of your life? $5,000 a month social security? what is it you need? If you are injured or have an illness and cannot work i'm all for helping you my friend.

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You think you are so patriotic and talk like you are king shit.

It's called confidence! Hopefully it will rub off on some people.

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News flash, you are not secured in your job, it can disappear in a heartbeat

Maybe, but I will always have a job. I have been laid off before and guess what, 3 hours looking and I had a new job. Wasnt in my profession, pay wasnt the best but guess what, still had a roof over my head and food on the table. Actually I have been layed off a few times and always found another job within a couple days. Never sat on my ass for 6 months waitting for the Unemployment checks to stop before I started looking.

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(just ask the 25,000 who are losing their jobs with GM).

My best friend works at GM. I have seen him at work before. You see people sleeping on the line and a bunch of other stuff but the unions got them locked in so I really dont feel all that sorry for them. There are the one's who do there job and have to take the heat for all the slackers.

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I hope someday you find yourself in a desperate situation. Maybe cancer, maybe MS, maybe AIDS

Sounds like a personal attack to me. Why would you wish something like that on anybody?

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[Botellines 0]

I think you are very naive about how real life works. Private health insurance is about a corporation trying to make money from you, which is allright unless it is your health what it is at stake. The moment that you stop being an incoming for them and you became an expense, possibly due to an expensive illness, they will do what is legally possible to get rid of you.
Besides, Private insurance must be paid wether you work or not, and it can be hard to pay if you have no job. And maybe you have no job due to an illness that private insurance refuses to heal because you cannot pay because you don´t have a job.
Fortunately, for now, i have put in taxes towards public healthcare much more than what i have gotten back. And i know that at this very same moment, someone is abusing the system and enjoying my taxes. But guess what, if i ever find myself in need of a VERY expensive treatment, i know that i have public healthcare where the money will NEVER be an issue.

Just for laughs, go to your favourite private health insurance, and ask how much it costs... Do not forget to mention words like HIV, Cancer, Skydiving, Back problems, etc.

[lisamariewillbe 1]

I may not agree with some of the stuff that was said, but for someone to wish cancer on anyone is cruel and evil and someone I wouldnt want to know. There was a girl on here (dz.com) who told me she hopes my cancer kills me, you and her should get together in this life cause im sure you will both be in hell together

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

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Just for laughs, go to your favourite private health insurance, and ask how much it costs... Do not forget to mention words like HIV, Cancer, Skydiving, Back problems, etc.

Why would I do that when all I do is skydive? A little sarcasm there. I think people are getting a little wound up here and I want to lighten it up a bit. But I have bought my own health care out of pocket. Cost me $145 a month. My employer now has my insurance covered for the most part but it costs me about $25 a month for health, vision and dental. A damn good deal I think.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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I may not agree with some of the stuff that was said, but for someone to wish cancer on anyone is cruel and evil and someone I wouldnt want to know. There was a girl on here (dz.com) who told me she hopes my cancer kills me, you and her should get together in this life cause im sure you will both be in hell together

Lady, chill down. I'm sure, nobody is wishing that another one might die by any cancer. The wording was just a little wrong I'm sure, the poster just wanted to point out that at every day in future, the evil could strike someone, everyone, could be something "you" have to deal with. Rookie120's posts really sound a little over-zealous. Perhaps, he needs to grow up?

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I hope someday you find yourself in a desperate situation. Maybe cancer, maybe MS, maybe AIDS and after you lose your insurance and find yourself desperate for care then I doubt you will say the samething.

I wasnt talking about Rookie, I was talking about the ass wishing him ill of deadly disese. Maybe you should go re-read the posts.

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

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It used to be a great place before our elite communist party-style congress turned inward away from the people. Now they only care about their own mega retirement and health care. Filling their war chests with money from corporate America keeps these assholes going. They love to see dissent and unrest among us poor slobs so they can carry on business as usual (I bet they love Speakers Corner). Trouble is, short of a revolution, how do we take this place back?

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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[rushmc 23]

Selfish nation hhmmmm?

We give more per capita than any other nation in the world to all kinds of charities

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[freethefly 6]

Rookie, honestly I do not wish my illness on you or anyone else. My response was written out of emotion and wish to take it back. I do, however, wish that this country would get back on track and help those in need. I am closing in on 50 now, at one time I believed that anyone who asked the government for help was a freeloader. Why should MY money go to help someone bedridden with cancer or AIDS. It is not my problem. That is how I felt when I was young and healthy. My, my, how we change our tune when we find ourselves in a simialer situation. It is truely sad that ofton that is what it takes. I was a jerk for making fun of gay people with AIDS. Never did I ever believe that the illness they were dealing with would ever affect myself. I hope that this world, not just this country, may someday realize that we are all on this spinning rock together. That will never happen and to believe that it will is a fools wish. Peace, love and good health to everyone. Goodbye.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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It used to be a great place before our elite communist party-style congress turned inward away from the people. Now they only care about their own mega retirement and health care. Filling their war chests with money from corporate America keeps these assholes going. They love to see dissent and unrest among us poor slobs so they can carry on business as usual (I bet they love Speakers Corner). Trouble is, short of a revolution, how do we take this place back?

What a dink, modifying my words. Simple things - simple minds

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It used to be a great place before our elite communist party-style congress turned inward away from the people. Now they only care about their own mega retirement and health care. Filling their war chests with money from corporate America keeps these assholes going. They love to see dissent and unrest among us poor slobs so they can carry on business as usual (I bet they love Speakers Corner). Trouble is, short of a revolution, how do we take this place back?

What a dink, modifying my words. Simple things - simple minds

Not hardly kid. It was not intentional. Just what do you mean by dink? For some of us it's like gook or other hate words.EDITED TO: ADD BTW don't go back to school. It sounds like some liberal commie pinko got your soul the first time. You need to develop some good work ethics and prepare for a dismal future.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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[skyhigh57 0]

Rookie,

great choice of nick! It basically says it all; telling from your picture you can't be much more than 16.

So there is no sense, in trying to wise you beyond your years. When I was 16, I also believed that the world was just waiting for me. It ain't so...

But you'll find that out soon enough...until such time, you'll be forever Rookie.

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What you're not doing is looking at the hypothetical end to your model of a selfish nation

The model of a selfish nation? I'm gonna have to say thats a bunch of BS. Whenever a country has a flood, typhoon, earthquake of whatever which country is it that has a fleet of cargo planes haulling ass to there disaster with food, water, medical supplies, doctors and building supplies? Oh that right it;s the US. So much for the selfish nation. When our Towers got knocked down which country sent us money? When the US has a Hurricane who sends us money or help? When California has an earthquake who sends doctors, building materials? I cant think of any. But were the selfish nation? I dont buy that one bit.

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If there were zero assistance then we would litterally have people dying in the streets.

I dont think so. There are people who need the assistance and that's fine. Either from illness, injury or what not they cannot work and I am all for helping them. But the guy who wanted to smoke week all through school or not go at all and drink his 40 on the weekend I have a problem with him leaching off the rest of the hard working americans. And lets not forget about the lady with 6 kids, 6 different dads and sit's around waitting for her check every month. Why is it my responsbility to support her stupid ass because she doesnt know what birth control is or better yet how to keep her legs closed?

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You are a young guy and like most young people, maybe a little idealistoc.

No--- I'm a realist, big difference!

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Ya it would be nice to have everyone self-sufficient all the time, but that is beyong utopia.

So you should tax the shit out of me until I'm at the level of all the deadbeats of the nation. It's hard to climb the ladder of wealth when you have someone hanging on your feet.

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As for your correlation from health insuranece to car insurance, these are the types of arguments that people turn to when theyreally don't have one and want to be semantic. An auto is somewhat of a luxury with public transit, but health insurance or public health care is a neccessity.

Ok then---How about I pay for there grocery bill instead? Food is a neccessity.

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You won't like what you see when we keep putting personal and corp profits ahead of social care for each other.

So what are you trying to say here? That a company shouldnt be allowed to turn a profit? I shouldnt be able to make money if someone else doesnt? What we really need is for people to stop waitting with there hands out wanting someone to give them a free ride.

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Why do you think the crime rate is so high as compared to some other socialist nations?

Other socialist nation huh. Well England's crime with guns rate has exploded because the law abiding citizens are not allowed to own one and there is a lot more to type but I think I have done enough. As for trying to compare the US to a socialist nation I would say go live there if you think it will be so great. Heard Cuba and China has great health care and welfare benefits.

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***I was talking about the ass wishing him ill of deadly disese. Maybe you should go re-read the posts.

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I live on disability (go ahead, call me a freeloader, I do not care what others think of that, hell, it is my taxes also).

Good for you! No one should feel guilty about collecting SSDI for legitimate reasons. You've paid into the system and now you need its benefit. SSDI is not a free handout like other 'entitlements' (of course other entitlements can be legitimate also). It's when these programs are abused that pisses people off. As you said, you're fighting a disease and feel like shit daily. Accept your SSDI and don't think twice about it.

Hang in there, and I will keep you in my prayers. People like you deserve our compassion, not our critcism.

Chris