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flifree 0
i asked him if he wanted me to go ahead and do the things he wants done before he is willing to leave and no response, but not for permission of the pm itself. i see he is sending pm's on here today and he isn't respoding to me. if i posted it people wouldn't believe what he said unless it came straight from him. it's unreal. i am just going to wait the two weeks until he's back and THEN if he denies it i will call his bluff and post it.
rehmwa 2
Quotei asked him if he wanted me to go ahead and do the things he wants done before he is willing to leave and no response, but not for permission of the pm itself. i see he is sending pm's on here today and he isn't respoding to me. if i posted it people wouldn't believe what he said unless it came straight from him. it's unreal. i am just going to wait the two weeks until he's back and THEN if he denies it i will call his bluff and post it.
IMO - Never ever post a PM without permission for any reason at all. No class. Don't you respect privacy?
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flifree 0
i stand corrected again. under no circumstances will i post his pm. bad idea on my part to even think it. i will just wait to see if he posts the same as his email....if it's the same i will be impressed and if not then i will delete him from my memory banks.
kallend 2,026
It appears that you do not fully understand the meaning of "rights". All our rights have been violated by parts of this abomination of an Act. You don't need jackbooted thugs in your house for your rights to be violated.
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billvon 2,991
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>Now I ask again - Who's rights have been so called violated by the patriot act?
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Published on Monday, July 21, 2003 by the New York Times
Report on USA Patriot Act Alleges Civil Rights Violations
by Philip Shehon
A report by internal investigators at the Justice Department has identified dozens of recent cases in which department employees have been accused of serious civil rights and civil liberties violations involving enforcement of the sweeping federal antiterrorism law known as the USA Patriot Act.
The inspector general's report, which was presented to Congress last week and is awaiting public release, is likely to raise new concern among lawmakers about whether the Justice Department can police itself when its employees are accused of violating the rights of Muslim and Arab immigrants and others swept up in terrorism investigations under the 2001 law.
The report said that in the six-month period that ended on June 15, the inspector general's office had received 34 complaints of civil rights and civil liberties violations by department employees that it considered credible, including accusations that Muslim and Arab immigrants in federal detention centers had been beaten.
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Published on Monday, July 21, 2003 by the New York Times
Report on USA Patriot Act Alleges Civil Rights Violations
by Philip Shehon
A report by internal investigators at the Justice Department has identified dozens of recent cases in which department employees have been accused of serious civil rights and civil liberties violations involving enforcement of the sweeping federal antiterrorism law known as the USA Patriot Act.
The inspector general's report, which was presented to Congress last week and is awaiting public release, is likely to raise new concern among lawmakers about whether the Justice Department can police itself when its employees are accused of violating the rights of Muslim and Arab immigrants and others swept up in terrorism investigations under the 2001 law.
The report said that in the six-month period that ended on June 15, the inspector general's office had received 34 complaints of civil rights and civil liberties violations by department employees that it considered credible, including accusations that Muslim and Arab immigrants in federal detention centers had been beaten.
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QuoteVery interesting. Now I ask again
Mike Maginnis - is one name I'll throw out. More to come if you decide that his rights were not violated under the Patriot Act for some odd reason.
We were talking about the lack of due process related to the Patriot Act right? There is your name
Remember, More than 140 cities and towns across the nation have passed resolutions critical of the Patriot Act.
And last week, the U.S. House of Representatives voted 309-118 to forbid certain funds from going to Justice Department agencies that use a provision of the Patriot Act that eases restrictions on "sneak-and-peek" search warrants
Such warrants allow agents to secretly enter a home or business to obtain evidence. Normally the subjects of sneak-and-peeks are notified within seven days of the search; the Patriot Act says only that notification must be within a "reasonable period."
I realize I'm leading this off topic a bit, but oh well. It might get moved
Have you researched this? You do not see the abuse of power - related to your rights?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
What does this do for you?!!
The First Amendment guarantees us...
- freedom of religion
- freedom of speech
- freedom of assembly
- freedom of association
- freedom of the press
Where does the Patriot Act attack these rights?
- Violates the First Amendment by effectively authorizing the FBI to launch investigations of American citizens in part for exercising their freedom of speech.
- Violates the First Amendment's guarantee of free speech by prohibiting the recipients of search orders from telling others about those orders, even where there is no real need for secrecy..
Creates a very serious risk that truly innocent individuals could be deported for association with
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized
The Fourth Amendment guarantees us freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures.
What it means too you?
It ensures that government agents cannot search your house, office or other personal effects without probable cause that you have committed a crime (as verified by the issue of a warrant).
Where does the Patriot Act attack these rights?
- Violates the Fourth Amendment by allowing foreign intelligence searches for criminal purposes without probable cause of crime.
- Violates the Fourth Amendment by failing to provide timely notice to persons whose home has been searched. Notice is also a key element of due process, which is guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment.
- Violates the Fourth Amendment by allowing the government to seize records in intelligence and Terrorism investigations without probable suspicion that the records pertain to a terrorist, spy or other foreign agent.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
What it means too you?
The Fifth Amendment guarantees that no person can be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law.
Where does the Patriot Act attack these rights?
- Allows indefinite incarceration of persons without judicial review thereby denying due process and equal protection of law.
- Creates a very serious risk that individuals could be deported for association with political groups that the government later chooses to regard as terrorist organizations.
QuoteWho has a Fed in there house with no warrant or probable cause lookin at there computer? I really want to know a name of someone.
Secrets are the key to this act. Records are sealed and it is an offence to release names in most cases. I read where the ACLU cannot name a person(patriot Act) they represent. The DOJ used the Patriot act to to keep it quiet even after it is the Patriot Act that is in question.
http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/usapatriot/
Read a bit about electronic privacy, or the lack of under the Patriot Act
I really could go on and on, but I think you get my point
Carpe Diem
If you want to post it, it's simple. It's a PM, so you need to get his permission to post it. Have you asked?
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
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