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[kallend 2,026]

IBM shifts 14,000 jobs to India. That's the ticket!

clicky

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[Botellines 0]

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IBM shifts 14,000 jobs to India. That's the ticket!

clicky

But now the IBM stock holders will be a bit richer, won´t they?

I guess 14.000 americans will have to move to india if they want to keep working.

[EBSB52 0]

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IBM shifts 14,000 jobs to India. That's the ticket!

clicky

Ironically, I bet those cheap little American flags are made in India

[shropshire 0]

Yeap, Globalisation in action ... stinks doesn't it?

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[ViperPilot 0]

I'm not condoning this action, but outsourcing does create much lower prices for us, the consumers. It's much cheeper for companies to produce in a foreign country and then import to the US than it is to produce in the US. Thus, if they produced in the US, we'd all be paying tons more money for everyday products. However, they need to find a solution which makes it cheaper to produce in the US so it won't kill the consumer's wallet and not rob Americans of jobs. They really need to find that solution.

[billvon 2,989]

>They really need to find that solution.

The default solution is to just continue down this course. Outsource all low to middle income jobs. Have the rich continue to own companies, design IC's, and make movies. The poor can work at Wal-Mart selling the cheap overseas goods, and Wal-Mart can continue to help them get welfare, which the rich pay for. Then we end up with a very clean system - two classes, one supported by the other. Not very egalitarian, perhaps, but the stuff at Wal-Mart will be _really_ cheap.

[ViperPilot 0]

It may not be right, but try to tell a company owner that he has to spend tons more money to keep the jobs in America and while he's at it, he has to raise the prices of his product quite a lot. Thus, he will actually make less because less consumers will buy his products. The process may not be fair, but what business owner in their right mind would say, "sure, I'll take a huge economic dive." Just by human nature, that mindset will never happen.

[Botellines 0]

It is not about telling one company owner what to do. It is about setting some rules that every company owner has to abide by.
That way no one will go out of bussiness since everybody play by the same rules. The only who will suffer temporarily will be the consumers, but it will be just that, temporary, for the economy will adjust around that.

[kallend 2,026]

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It may not be right, but try to tell a company owner that he has to spend tons more money to keep HIS WORKPLACE SAFE and while he's at it, he has to raise the prices of his product quite a lot. Thus, he will actually make less because less consumers will buy his products. The process may not be fair, but what business owner in their right mind would say, "sure, I'll take a huge economic dive." Just by human nature, that mindset will never happen.

How do you like my edit? Why is it different? Do you think a company should cut safety corners in order to get an economic advantage?

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[EricTheRed 0]

No,

I can tell you from my professional experiance that it happens every day anyway.

It's wrong, but people find ways to justify nearly everything.

illegible usually

[ViperPilot 0]

I don't think they should, but will they, heck yeah. It's human nature to do what's in your best interest, especially if it involves money. We're a greedy breed by nature, and that's why we have these problems. However, are you willing to pay $4,000 for a computer when right now you could buy the same one for $400? Those are just random numbers I chose, but just trying to illustrate the point. We want more jobs, we don't like outsourcing, but yet we can't live without it. It's almost a necessary evil. I don't like it anymore than you, but would I really say, "sure, stop outsourcing, even if it means my next pair of tennis shoes costs $300." Well, I probably wouldn't be inclined to truthfully make that statement, would you?

[jdhill 0]

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I'm not condoning this action, but outsourcing does create much lower prices for us, the consumers.

Not really... once all the costs of outsourceing (off-shoring really) are taken in to account many companies that do it don't save anything, and in some cases go the other direction. Even the few that do end up saving money don't save it at the level they thought they would.

J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

[Ron 10]

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IBM shifts 14,000 jobs to India. That's the ticket!

Then quit using IBM products.

Don't buy anything that is not stamped "Made in the USA".

Lead with your pocket book and maybe others will follow.

I find it quite funny that people who bitch about this many of them drive foreign cars and type on computers made in China.

(Not saying you John....just in general)

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[shropshire 0]

You make a great point... and actually , in the case of India, many outsourcing companies have such a high turn over of staff that [pay] rates are on the climb (and quality of work returned is, generally, getting lower (personal experience in our company)). Some of our software systems are large and complex and take a lot of time and experience to support.

One of the problems appears to be momentum. Large companies, like the one I work for, 'decided' to off-shore and went for it BIG TIME... So, by the time that they invested heavily in personnel, infrastructure etc... there is NO way it's going to perform a U-Turn and say that it's just not working! So they 'make' it work.

Also, in the UK (probably different in say the US, because the social security model is so different).... Companies lay off people and if they dont find new employment, they get payments from the government, which the currently active work force pays into (and taxes from the active UK based companies) - so, the people that get laid off are not paying into the government coffers but are being paid from them. AND the money that the companies are now paying to the Off-Shore companies, is going , well, Off-Shore and so any income tax from that is not into our government coffers... so a vivious circel ensues.....

Less tax revenue being taken, paid out to workers who can not now work... Not really sustainable, is it?

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Gawain 0]

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It is not about telling one company owner what to do. It is about setting some rules that every company owner has to abide by.
That way no one will go out of bussiness since everybody play by the same rules. The only who will suffer temporarily will be the consumers, but it will be just that, temporary, for the economy will adjust around that.

That's why free enterprise is running so well in Germany, France and Spain right? The rules you speak of already exist in the US. Many of these "rules" do not exist in developing countries like India or China.

As soon as China stops regulating its currency, their "cheap" edge disappears (by some 30%). As for India, the jobs they are "robbing" are service based. Over the past 10 years, not even 1 million jobs have migrated over there from US capacities.

India can have the "service" jobs, we need to concentrate on regaining the manufacturing jobs and production based economy from China. Currently the US economy is 80% service based, we need to start building stuff again. If we slap a tarrif on China until they stop playing with their currency, we can slowly regain that base.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[BaconStrip 0]

Is anyone else still angry about that dam cotton gin. Talk about outsourcing, I wonder how many jobs it alone has cost America.

[tcnelson 1]

cotton gin hell!

down with the microprocessor!!!

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

[BaconStrip 0]

Thats right I think most people in this thread are not looking at the big picture. We have outsourced far more jobs to technology than we have to foreign nations. If our government would just stand up to big business and impose a ban on microprocessors we could create jobs for all Americans.

BaconStrip for President

[tcnelson 1]

you've got my vote!! it just better not be on one of those fancy shmancy florida voting machines. ink bottle and quill please so that we keep the quill salespeople in business.

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329