IanHarrop 41 #26 June 28, 2005 QuoteQuoteReferencing another post from today that many commented on, doesn't this fit the definition of trolling. Well, maybe technically, but 78RATS is a well-known regular here, and his rant seems to have some underlying point or something. I think we can give him a little leeway... I don't think he was talking to you or me personally. Don't worry I don't take anything here in SC personallyI just figured what was good for Vallerina should be good for 78RATS, I mean isn't SC all about being fair?"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #27 June 28, 2005 Yeah, I think this is more rant than troll, mainly because I can't even figure out what the central point of his argument was. Besides I was on the plane with robert a handful of times this weekend, he is not a whiney little girl, so I am not calling him one in the interest of fairness alone.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #28 June 28, 2005 QuoteI get what you're trying to say Robert. I think it also helps that I know you, so I know (I think) where you're coming from. I understand what you're saying, its too bad no one else does. What is he trying to say? As I said yesterday to AggieDave, is it wrong to appreciate those things in this world that are not serious? I mean, if I didn't love my Angels (that's baseball) and the Raiders or occupy my self with other less important things, I may end up writing posts like the one 78RATS did. I don't want to be like that, My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amanduh 0 #29 June 28, 2005 I was just trying to make him smile. *Hugs & Kisses Robert* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyingferret 0 #30 June 28, 2005 not you silly girl I was talking about Ian for wanting us to call him a flaming troll monster like Vallerina.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #31 June 28, 2005 Now call me sensitive but I'm detecting some anger issues?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #32 June 28, 2005 Hey now... Be nice... I'm from Texas... What country are you from? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #33 June 28, 2005 QuoteFuck you who shout "go spurs". Why? Because baseball is fucking unimportant, because all of you out in the streets beeping and spreading the word are squandering your fucking voices. man, there's nothing funnier than a clueless sports rant. It's like when Homer became owner of the Denver Broncos in the mid 90s and Marge couldn't understand his disappointment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hippydiver 0 #34 June 28, 2005 amen brotha. i forgot where i heard this recently, but it fits well, the United States is like a 15 year old spoiled brat holding a gun to everyone else's head. we can't even take care of our own people. instead we'd rather spend our whole lives helping the super rich get richer and remaining oblivious to freeing ourselves and the rest of the world from our own corporations/government that would rather use child slaves to build things, blow men women and children up for oil, cause more terrorism than they stop, and let American families rot on the streets than lose the profit margin. (edited to add: oh yeah, and smog up our skies too) sports are not too blame, but the disgusting commercialism and corporatization it's all become is another big piece of it.---------- gravity rat formula 109 Team Gonzo and Team Jamaican Me Crazy no bullshit, let's just fly, be safe, and have fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tcnelson 1 #35 June 28, 2005 you've been listening to too much npr my friend. do you really believe that? "Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #36 June 28, 2005 Quoteyou've been listening to too much npr my friend. do you really believe that? No really, it's almost identical to just simple breakfast conversation from Al Franken on his (now defunct) radio show. It must be true. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #37 June 28, 2005 Quote instead we'd rather spend our whole lives helping the super rich get richer and remaining oblivious to freeing ourselves and the rest of the world from our own corporations/government that would rather use child slaves to build things, blow men women and children up for oil, cause more terrorism than they stop, and let American families rot on the streets than lose the profit margin. (edited to add: oh yeah, and smog up our skies too) is that what we'd rather do? oh. OK. nice to have a balanced assessment. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hippydiver 0 #38 June 28, 2005 i've never listened to a day of NPR in my life my friend. all you have to do is look around you. turn off the radio, turn off the 'news', turn off the pundits from the 'left or right' and look at the world around you. Try and tell me that most of your clothes and shoes and your own children's toys weren't made by other children being paid next to nothing to die without even having a life, try and tell me that when i look out my window and can't see more than 2 miles on a clear day because of smog i'm just imagining things, try and tell me that when we couldn't get more than 12.5k ft last weekend for jumping because of the thick haze wasn't caused by all the chemical and coal plants and suvs, try and tell me why counting civilian casualties in Iraq or Afghanistan isn't anything worth the time or effort of our government. Yeah, i must just be one of those crazy liberals, that's it!---------- gravity rat formula 109 Team Gonzo and Team Jamaican Me Crazy no bullshit, let's just fly, be safe, and have fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amanduh 0 #39 June 28, 2005 Wow..you took that deep, Bill! Now that you put it that way...I agree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #40 June 28, 2005 sounds like "trying to tell you" anything would be pretty futile. You've already got your mindset. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tcnelson 1 #41 June 28, 2005 did you ever stop to think that some people around the world are glad to have american companies employing them because otherwise they might actually be in abject poverty? i do look around me and i also study the reality of the world. try it yourself. learn some history and form your opinions based on reality. here's a start to solve your smog problem. stop supporting skydiving because the pollution that your jump plane(s) are pumping out aren't helping the situation."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,439 #42 June 28, 2005 Maybe he has looked at those things, and has just come to different conclusions from the one you came to. It happens. I don't believe any one dogma owns the truth. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,989 #43 June 28, 2005 >because otherwise they might actually be in abject poverty? I noticed the opposite last time I was in Africa. The people far away from 'white civilization' were perfectly happy. They had everything they wanted - food (chickens and millet, mainly) water (from wells) and their families. They spent their days sitting around, chatting, and dozing. They worked their butts off 2-3 months a year during the rainy season, putting away enough food for the dry months. And they thought white people were great. I was the first white male they had ever seen, and they all wanted to say hello. Because the only white people they had seen had been Peace Corps volunteers, who were all kooky white people with odd ideas (plant tomatoes in the dry season? Irrigate? What sort of nonsense is that?) but clearly wanted to help. They appreciated the wells the Peace Corps helped them dig, even if they never used them for their intended purpose (irrigation.) Meanwhile, the people near white civilizations were in abject poverty. Their chickens were killed by pet dogs from the white towns. Their wells got polluted. So they had to buy food and water, but they had no money. So they had to get jobs. And since they made next to nothing, they had to work 16 hour days. Which worked great for the companies in the towns. The people in the big cities were even worse off. I saw a dead kid lying in the street one day. He was there when we drove by the first time. When we were on our way back (about an hour later) someone was dragging him off the street. There were two classes - black and white. And all the black people were poor, because the white people told them they were, and they proved it. So it was contact between rich and poor that made poor people poor. The people living out of contact with white civilization weren't poor - they had all they wanted. But open a Nike factory down the road, and you could make them into destitute beggars in a week. >i do look around me and i also study the reality of the world. try it >yourself. learn some history and form your opinions based on reality. Indeed. But there is more to the world than the suburban US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites meltdown 0 #44 June 28, 2005 "try and tell me that when we couldn't get more than 12.5k ft last weekend for jumping because of the thick haze wasn't caused by all the chemical and coal plants and suvs" You forgot jump planes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tcnelson 1 #45 June 28, 2005 Quotethere is more to the world than the suburban US. i have come across more examples of good that the US has done than bad in my travels in the army. so i guess i'm saying that in general, i think that hippy's comments are too one-sided and that the suburban US is where i choose to live after having supported it with my sevice."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hippydiver 0 #46 June 28, 2005 QuoteI don't believe any one dogma owns the truth. I couldn't agree more Wendy. And thanks for the real world example Bill. As for skydiving planes, i know they pollute, as well as my car (that's why i carpool), but it is nothing compared to the industrial pollution being released around the world because it's easier on the profit margin than cleaning up facilities. Here is a quote from the Eco-Watch section of the Houston Chronicle this morning: "Five industrial facilities in the Houston region reported accidental releases of pollution during the last week. The eight so-called upsets released an estimated 41,000 pounds of pollution into the environment, according to state records." This is not an unusual occurrence in this city. And it makes me wonder, how many go unreported? I hate to be negative, anyone who knows me knows for the most part I am an extremely positive person, but sometimes it isn't so easy to grin and bear it.---------- gravity rat formula 109 Team Gonzo and Team Jamaican Me Crazy no bullshit, let's just fly, be safe, and have fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #47 June 28, 2005 QuoteFuck you who shout "go texas". Why? Because texas, like the rest of America, was built off of genocide. Not to mention its heritage of racism and generally bad shit. So, what are you doing living in the State of Texas, and paying taxes to them, to support an entity that is responsible for all that horrible stuff? That kind of makes you a co-conspirator, doesn't it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydivingNurse 0 #48 June 28, 2005 GO TEXAS! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,989 #49 June 28, 2005 >i have come across more examples of good that the US has done > than bad . . . That has been my experience too, for the most part. We often screw up, and our efforts sometimes have the opposite effect, but we do try, and sometimes (as in the US efforts in the Peace Corps) they can do a lot of good. >the suburban US is where i choose to live. Me too, but I also understand that there are other, perfectly valid ways to live, even if I don't agree with them/don't understand them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #50 June 28, 2005 (Bill, this isn't directed at you; I've just hit the reply button instead of going back to 78rats' original post.) Quoteyou are the fucking problem O.k. I'm the problem. Now, how do YOU propose I fix stuff? See, when you don't include yourself in the problem, when you don't accept responsibility for contributing to the problem, you're not held accountable to fix/correct it. It's pretty simple. You - by blaming others - deny your own responsibility in the problem (whatever problem you are talking about). Because you deny your own responsibility in the problem, that part of it will not ever be fixed. It's so much easier to lay it out on someone else - i.e. "you are the fucking problem" - and not have any of the responsibility lay on your shoulders. That way, you don't have to do anything differently, you don't have to change your perspective, you don't have to do anything at all except say "you are the fucking problem" and leave it go. So, what part of the problem do you accept, and will change? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
flyingferret 0 #30 June 28, 2005 not you silly girl I was talking about Ian for wanting us to call him a flaming troll monster like Vallerina.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #31 June 28, 2005 Now call me sensitive but I'm detecting some anger issues?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #32 June 28, 2005 Hey now... Be nice... I'm from Texas... What country are you from? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #33 June 28, 2005 QuoteFuck you who shout "go spurs". Why? Because baseball is fucking unimportant, because all of you out in the streets beeping and spreading the word are squandering your fucking voices. man, there's nothing funnier than a clueless sports rant. It's like when Homer became owner of the Denver Broncos in the mid 90s and Marge couldn't understand his disappointment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hippydiver 0 #34 June 28, 2005 amen brotha. i forgot where i heard this recently, but it fits well, the United States is like a 15 year old spoiled brat holding a gun to everyone else's head. we can't even take care of our own people. instead we'd rather spend our whole lives helping the super rich get richer and remaining oblivious to freeing ourselves and the rest of the world from our own corporations/government that would rather use child slaves to build things, blow men women and children up for oil, cause more terrorism than they stop, and let American families rot on the streets than lose the profit margin. (edited to add: oh yeah, and smog up our skies too) sports are not too blame, but the disgusting commercialism and corporatization it's all become is another big piece of it.---------- gravity rat formula 109 Team Gonzo and Team Jamaican Me Crazy no bullshit, let's just fly, be safe, and have fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #35 June 28, 2005 you've been listening to too much npr my friend. do you really believe that? "Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #36 June 28, 2005 Quoteyou've been listening to too much npr my friend. do you really believe that? No really, it's almost identical to just simple breakfast conversation from Al Franken on his (now defunct) radio show. It must be true. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #37 June 28, 2005 Quote instead we'd rather spend our whole lives helping the super rich get richer and remaining oblivious to freeing ourselves and the rest of the world from our own corporations/government that would rather use child slaves to build things, blow men women and children up for oil, cause more terrorism than they stop, and let American families rot on the streets than lose the profit margin. (edited to add: oh yeah, and smog up our skies too) is that what we'd rather do? oh. OK. nice to have a balanced assessment. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hippydiver 0 #38 June 28, 2005 i've never listened to a day of NPR in my life my friend. all you have to do is look around you. turn off the radio, turn off the 'news', turn off the pundits from the 'left or right' and look at the world around you. Try and tell me that most of your clothes and shoes and your own children's toys weren't made by other children being paid next to nothing to die without even having a life, try and tell me that when i look out my window and can't see more than 2 miles on a clear day because of smog i'm just imagining things, try and tell me that when we couldn't get more than 12.5k ft last weekend for jumping because of the thick haze wasn't caused by all the chemical and coal plants and suvs, try and tell me why counting civilian casualties in Iraq or Afghanistan isn't anything worth the time or effort of our government. Yeah, i must just be one of those crazy liberals, that's it!---------- gravity rat formula 109 Team Gonzo and Team Jamaican Me Crazy no bullshit, let's just fly, be safe, and have fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amanduh 0 #39 June 28, 2005 Wow..you took that deep, Bill! Now that you put it that way...I agree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #40 June 28, 2005 sounds like "trying to tell you" anything would be pretty futile. You've already got your mindset. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #41 June 28, 2005 did you ever stop to think that some people around the world are glad to have american companies employing them because otherwise they might actually be in abject poverty? i do look around me and i also study the reality of the world. try it yourself. learn some history and form your opinions based on reality. here's a start to solve your smog problem. stop supporting skydiving because the pollution that your jump plane(s) are pumping out aren't helping the situation."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,439 #42 June 28, 2005 Maybe he has looked at those things, and has just come to different conclusions from the one you came to. It happens. I don't believe any one dogma owns the truth. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #43 June 28, 2005 >because otherwise they might actually be in abject poverty? I noticed the opposite last time I was in Africa. The people far away from 'white civilization' were perfectly happy. They had everything they wanted - food (chickens and millet, mainly) water (from wells) and their families. They spent their days sitting around, chatting, and dozing. They worked their butts off 2-3 months a year during the rainy season, putting away enough food for the dry months. And they thought white people were great. I was the first white male they had ever seen, and they all wanted to say hello. Because the only white people they had seen had been Peace Corps volunteers, who were all kooky white people with odd ideas (plant tomatoes in the dry season? Irrigate? What sort of nonsense is that?) but clearly wanted to help. They appreciated the wells the Peace Corps helped them dig, even if they never used them for their intended purpose (irrigation.) Meanwhile, the people near white civilizations were in abject poverty. Their chickens were killed by pet dogs from the white towns. Their wells got polluted. So they had to buy food and water, but they had no money. So they had to get jobs. And since they made next to nothing, they had to work 16 hour days. Which worked great for the companies in the towns. The people in the big cities were even worse off. I saw a dead kid lying in the street one day. He was there when we drove by the first time. When we were on our way back (about an hour later) someone was dragging him off the street. There were two classes - black and white. And all the black people were poor, because the white people told them they were, and they proved it. So it was contact between rich and poor that made poor people poor. The people living out of contact with white civilization weren't poor - they had all they wanted. But open a Nike factory down the road, and you could make them into destitute beggars in a week. >i do look around me and i also study the reality of the world. try it >yourself. learn some history and form your opinions based on reality. Indeed. But there is more to the world than the suburban US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meltdown 0 #44 June 28, 2005 "try and tell me that when we couldn't get more than 12.5k ft last weekend for jumping because of the thick haze wasn't caused by all the chemical and coal plants and suvs" You forgot jump planes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #45 June 28, 2005 Quotethere is more to the world than the suburban US. i have come across more examples of good that the US has done than bad in my travels in the army. so i guess i'm saying that in general, i think that hippy's comments are too one-sided and that the suburban US is where i choose to live after having supported it with my sevice."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hippydiver 0 #46 June 28, 2005 QuoteI don't believe any one dogma owns the truth. I couldn't agree more Wendy. And thanks for the real world example Bill. As for skydiving planes, i know they pollute, as well as my car (that's why i carpool), but it is nothing compared to the industrial pollution being released around the world because it's easier on the profit margin than cleaning up facilities. Here is a quote from the Eco-Watch section of the Houston Chronicle this morning: "Five industrial facilities in the Houston region reported accidental releases of pollution during the last week. The eight so-called upsets released an estimated 41,000 pounds of pollution into the environment, according to state records." This is not an unusual occurrence in this city. And it makes me wonder, how many go unreported? I hate to be negative, anyone who knows me knows for the most part I am an extremely positive person, but sometimes it isn't so easy to grin and bear it.---------- gravity rat formula 109 Team Gonzo and Team Jamaican Me Crazy no bullshit, let's just fly, be safe, and have fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #47 June 28, 2005 QuoteFuck you who shout "go texas". Why? Because texas, like the rest of America, was built off of genocide. Not to mention its heritage of racism and generally bad shit. So, what are you doing living in the State of Texas, and paying taxes to them, to support an entity that is responsible for all that horrible stuff? That kind of makes you a co-conspirator, doesn't it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #49 June 28, 2005 >i have come across more examples of good that the US has done > than bad . . . That has been my experience too, for the most part. We often screw up, and our efforts sometimes have the opposite effect, but we do try, and sometimes (as in the US efforts in the Peace Corps) they can do a lot of good. >the suburban US is where i choose to live. Me too, but I also understand that there are other, perfectly valid ways to live, even if I don't agree with them/don't understand them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #50 June 28, 2005 (Bill, this isn't directed at you; I've just hit the reply button instead of going back to 78rats' original post.) Quoteyou are the fucking problem O.k. I'm the problem. Now, how do YOU propose I fix stuff? See, when you don't include yourself in the problem, when you don't accept responsibility for contributing to the problem, you're not held accountable to fix/correct it. It's pretty simple. You - by blaming others - deny your own responsibility in the problem (whatever problem you are talking about). Because you deny your own responsibility in the problem, that part of it will not ever be fixed. It's so much easier to lay it out on someone else - i.e. "you are the fucking problem" - and not have any of the responsibility lay on your shoulders. That way, you don't have to do anything differently, you don't have to change your perspective, you don't have to do anything at all except say "you are the fucking problem" and leave it go. So, what part of the problem do you accept, and will change? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
