Mexico Nabs 2 Iraqis Near U.S. Border

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MEXICO CITY — Mexican agents in Tecate captured two Iraqis who had hoped to sneak into U.S. territory without proper documents.

Federal authorities say Samir and Munir Yousif Shana told investigators they were contacted by a person in their hometown of Baghdad, who said he could smuggle them into San Diego.

The two have relatives in San Diego.

Federal agents yesterday arrested the pair, along with two accused Mexican immigrant smugglers and a youngster, in the Paso de Aguila district of Tecate.

The Iraqis said they met the accused smugglers in Tijuana, then accompanied them by bus to Tecate. The group was walking toward the U.S. border when they were apprehended.

Both parties are at fault. We need to shut our borders.

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Trust me I am right there with you, but are you more upset that they are attempted illegal immigrants, or Iriqi attempted illegal immigrants.

On the other hand they did catch them

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Both parties are at fault. We need to shut our borders.

And what -- then we'll be safe?
Safe from the Timothy McVeighs, the people who are already here and pissed?
Safe from the nasty foreigners who do jobs that many aren't willing to (look at the amount of immigrant labor that's used to pick crops, and what happens when that labor isn't available).

We're not safe. We have never been safe. Really. During the halcyon days at the beginning of the century, only middle-class white people were reasonably safe. Which is nice to look back on if you're a middle-class white person, I guess. But industrial accidents and diseases were more rampant, and non-whites had a whole lot more potential for violence against them.

Life isn't safe. We as a country should never close our borders to "purify" or "safe" ourselves. Control is good, because massive change is a little easier to manage if you can control it. But our best chance of having stable borders is to have conditions on the other side be good enough that people don't need to come here to eat.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[JohnnyD 0]

Got a source? That story sounds a bit suspect. TJ is smack on the border. Tecate is not. Also, since when is is illegal to walk toward the border? Provided they were legally in Mexico in the first place. There are also far better places to cross - not that I would know anything about that.

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>TJ is smack on the border. Tecate is not.

I've flown over it a lot, and it's pretty darn close. It's also an easier place to hop the fence because there are so many unfenced hills around it.

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And there's nothing in the article to indicate they're dangerous, either. They could simply have been trying to get to family.

Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and
Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™

[billvon 3,078]

>We as a country should never close our borders to "purify" or "safe" ourselves.

I agree, but I think we should do a much better job of patrolling our borders and enforcing our current laws. A mexican who wants to work in the US should have a legal way to do just that, and a mexican who wants to break the law and jump the border should get caught and deported pretty much every time.

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st me I am right there with you, but are you more upset that they are attempted illegal immigrants, or Iriqi attempted illegal immigrants.

well I am glad the mexican gov't did find them. However I want all illegal immigrants stoped. This is a warning the US Gov't needs to heed.

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Got a source? That story sounds a bit suspect.

Well, I've heard it on several news channels...not that it makes it true, but it's likely it is.

And Bill, didn't you swear we were not under invasion in another thread? LOLOL!!!

As for the issue, my question is not about these two, but how many have crossed without us arresting them, or without even knowing it? Mariopucha or whatever their name is has been known to coyote people over the border, and it's been suspected that they've brought in some terrorists or those with terrorist connections.

At the moment, I'm torn about border closure...I see both sides equally, and both have valid and appropriate points. I hate it when I sit on the fence; it tends to make my bottom hurt.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

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>TJ is smack on the border. Tecate is not.

I've flown over it a lot, and it's pretty darn close. It's also an easier place to hop the fence because there are so many unfenced hills around it.

Agreed. Its better than TJ, but still not that great. You may end up wandering right into the "fruit stand" on the 8.

I'll wait to hear "the rest of the story", because it sounds to me that there should be more to tell than someone got pinched.

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I see both sides equally, and both have valid and appropriate points.

What are the valid points in favor of allowing illegal immigration?

J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

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What are the valid points in favor of allowing illegal immigration?

Sorry, I misspoke (or wasn't clear). I was discussing the closure of the borders in that comment, not the issue of illegal anything.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

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I was discussing the closure of the borders

In that case, what would be the valid points in favor of closing the boarders altogether?

I personally see no reason to close the boarders to legal immigration... we are a nation of immigrants, ya know, the melting pot (not a stew)...

Illegal immigration, on the other had, is a threat to our national security, and a drain on our economy... and should be stopped by all means necessary up to and including putting the military on the border.

J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

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Life isn't safe. We as a country should never close our borders to "purify" or "safe" ourselves. Control is good, because massive change is a little easier to manage if you can control it.

but there are ways of making things safer. Like not putting 200 lbs 100 jump wonder under a sub 100 main. Looking the other way while we are being invaded is not the right thing to do. Or would you ignore the problem?????

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our best chance of having stable borders is to have conditions on the other side be good enough that people don't need to come here to eat

The problem south of the border is a very corrupt gov't. Would you pump my hard earn tax money south, maybe controled by a even more corrupt UN? No thanks.

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I do not believe anyone is talking about "closing" our borders but we should control our borders

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Here it is.......


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161075,00.html

Looks like "lost" tourists to me

Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004

[billvon 3,078]

>And Bill, didn't you swear we were not under invasion in another
>thread? LOLOL!!!

Yep. I've seen a lot of illegals, but they're all either really polite or they run away when you see them. Sort of an invasion of timid movie ushers.

>At the moment, I'm torn about border closure...

People use that term to mean different things. Some mean complete closing of the borders. That would be bad for everyone involved. Others mean elimination of illegal crossings, which I am all for. I'm even willing to pay for it; I hope other people who are in favor of it are willing to as well. Nothing is free.

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People use that term to mean different things. Some mean complete closing of the borders. That would be bad for everyone involved.

Think of those poor teenagers in San Diego who wouldn't be able to get drunk anymore!

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I personally see no reason to close the boarders to legal immigration... we are a nation of immigrants, ya know, the melting pot (not a stew)...

Yeah I don't mind any of the hard working Mexicans coming over. What worries me most is our northern border. We need to close it off to make sure no lazy socialist Canadians can make it over.

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Illegal immigration, on the other had, is a threat to our national security, and a drain on our economy...

One in the same, aren't they?

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Jim

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Life isn't safe. We as a country should never close our borders to "purify" or "safe" ourselves. Control is good, because massive change is a little easier to manage if you can control it. But our best chance of having stable borders is to have conditions on the other side be good enough that people don't need to come here to eat.

Wendy W.

It's about more than just safety. What about the huge expenses incurred because our school systems are REQUIRED to have bilingual teachers for the illegal aliens' kids? What about the huge expenses incurred by paying for their medical care?

Many come here from Mexico because their corrupt government continues to ensure that a tradition of unevenly distributed wealth stays intact, leaving many of their citizens impoverished. Is it OUR responsibility to compensate for that or should we try to bring about change by trying to get the Mexican government to take care of its own people?

I feel for them but I'd rather see the US government do a better job of taking care of its own citizens before it tries to take care of other countries' citizens.

Walt

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>And Bill, didn't you swear we were not under invasion in another
>thread? LOLOL!!!

Yep. I've seen a lot of illegals, but they're all either really polite or they run away when you see them. Sort of an invasion of timid movie ushers......
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These timid polite illegals come north and commit crimes to include killing American law officers and then escape home without fear of extradition. The Mexican government doesn' think we have the right to enforce the death penalty on their citizens. Look at the wanted posters at your local post office: lots of
bad people that were here illegally. My favorite senator from Arkansas loves to receive campaign donations from people who employ illegals.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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[billvon 3,078]

>These timid polite illegals come north and commit crimes to include
> killing American law officers and then escape home without fear of
> extradition.

Right. And skydivers murder people and smuggle drugs.

>The Mexican government doesn' think we have the right to enforce
>the death penalty on their citizens.

Doesn't really matter. If they commit a crime in a state with the death penalty, Mexico's not going to invade to get them back (although we might choose to give them back for other reasons.)

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These timid polite illegals come north and commit crimes to include killing American law officers and then escape home without fear of extradition
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LOL!
What percentage of illegals do you think are involved in "violent crime",rickjump1?

Ya see , what is going on here, and apparently you've bought into it, is the New World Order folks are hoping to start race riots in the US.
Yes, that is very true.
The riots will for the most part be between the Hispanics and the Blacks ,but the Blacks will have the sympathy and support of the Whites.
This will all reach a head sometime in June of 2009 ,when Hillary is President.
She will call on UN troops to restore order and her husband, Bill Clinton, President of the UN, will be quick to oblige. US citizens wouldn't be so quick to accept UN troops but as long as an American is running the UN they'll be ok with that , especially considering the carnage taking place at home. And with all our boys overseas spreading democracy, what alternative is there?

Ya see , that's what this oil for fod scandal is really all about.
It was set up by Hillary and was a way to secure political power. How many present US Congressmen didn't profit from Oil for Food?
The Clintons have each of those that did in their pockets lest they blow the whistle.
Have you noticed how buddy buddy Bill and George H have been lately?
Surely you noticed Mc'Cain when he announced to the world that "Hillary would make a great President" during their tour of Iraq.
Hey.., watch for Hillary to switch to republican in the next year or so. Then you'll know our goose is nearly cooked.

Blues,
Cliff

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>These timid polite illegals come north and commit crimes to include
> killing American law officers and then escape home without fear of
> extradition.

Right. And skydivers murder people and smuggle drugs.
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That is true, but be have enough crime without having to worry about people simply walking across the border and robbing or killing; even a small percentage. Would it matter if the victim were you or a member of your family?
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>The Mexican government doesn' think we have the right to enforce
>the death penalty on their citizens.

Doesn't really matter. If they commit a crime in a state with the death penalty, Mexico's not going to invade to get them back (although we might choose to give them back for other reasons.)
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True, but the ones that flee back home across the border will not be returned to face justice.

You can go to Walmart on Sunday in Hope, Arkansas and observe whole Mexican families walking around the store. They come in to buy just what they need and then walk around the store just looking. They are decent family oriented people who are timid and polite (just like you said). It's a sad situation. Millions of them are already part of the American way of life, but are we supposed to sustain everybody? I don't think so.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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