I think this is great, teach her a lesson...Rapper Lil' Kim Gets a Year for Perjury

[JoeyRamone 0]

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050706/D8B62BPG1.html

NEW YORK (AP) - Grammy-winning rapper Lil' Kim was sentenced Wednesday to a year and a day in prison and fined $50,000 for lying to a federal grand jury to protect friends involved in a 2001 shootout outside a Manhattan radio station.

While many rappers have served time in prison, Lil' Kim is the first big-name female to do so.

Lil' Kim (real name: Kimberly Jones) could have gotten up to 20 years - five years each on three counts of perjury and one count of conspiracy - at her sentencing before U.S. District Judge Gerard Lynch. She was convicted of the charges in March.

Lil' Kim, who turns 30 next week, was the sidekick and mistress of the late Notorious B.I.G. As a solo artist, she has become known for her revealing outfits and raunchy lyrics. She won a Grammy in 2001 for her part in the hit remake of "Lady Marmalade."

The rapper told the grand jury she did not notice two of her close friends at the scene of the shootout - her manager, Damion Butler, and Suif Jackson, known as "Gutta." Both have pleaded guilty to gun charges.

Jurors at Lil' Kim's trial saw radio station security photos that depicted Butler opening a door for the rap star, and two witnesses who once made records with Lil' Kim said they saw her at the station with Butler and Jackson.

The gun battle happened outside WQHT-FM, known as Hot 97, when Lil' Kim's entourage crossed paths with a rival rap group, Capone-N-Noreaga.

Lil' Kim's group confronted the others about the Capone-N-Noreaga song "Bang, Bang" that contained an insult to Lil' Kim from rival Foxy Brown. One man was hurt in the shootout that followed.

Hot 97 is the same station where the posses of 50 Cent and The Game traded bullets in February.

At the trial, Lil' Kim testified that she had a falling out after the shooting with Butler and with Antoine "Banger" Spain and James "Lil' Cease" Lloyd, the two witnesses who said they saw her with Butler and Jackson.

She said they were freeloading at her New Jersey townhouse. "I was just fed up," she told jurors. "They were taking advantage of me."

Her career began with an impromptu street performance for Notorious B.I.G. in their Brooklyn neighborhood. She became "Queen Bee," the only woman in his otherwise all-male clique.

Her 1996 debut album, "Hard Core," was laced with sexually explicit lyrics and became a big hit, thanks to songs like "Crush On You" and others with unmentionable titles.

In other legal problems, Lil' Kim was sued earlier this year by two men who say she failed to pay them for songwriting and performing services for the 2003 album "La Bella Mafia," which sold more than 1 million copies.

The rapper arrived at the courthouse Wednesday with bodyguards who cleared her path through the waiting media.

Some fans also were there, proclaiming their support.

One man's T-shirt read "Free Lil' Kim" and "Real Men Don't Snitch."

[tcnelson 1]

i think it's good too...there has to be consequences for poor behavior.

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
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[JoeyRamone 0]

They all think they are above the law...Nice to see one of them go down for once.

[Rebecca 0]

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Nice to see one of them go down for once.

I'm pretty sure she's done that more than once...

you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk?

[tcnelson 1]

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I'm pretty sure she's done that more than once...

good one! and i'm sure you're right...

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[lawrocket 3]

Selective enforcement. Martha Stewart went down for it and served less time. Clinton perjured himself, too, and got a slap on the wrist.

Frankly, here is something that I think African Americans have a legitimate complaint.

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[StreetScooby 5]

How can you compare lying about gunplay with foreplay? You lost me on that one...

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[lawrocket 3]

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How can you compare lying about gunplay with foreplay? You lost me on that one...

I don't. I compare lying under oath with lying under oath. Sorry, but perjury isn't divided into categories like that. Lie under oath and you are a perjurer. It's that simple.

Quit qualifying what the lie was about. It means jack and shit.

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[jdhill 0]

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Selective enforcement.

Lying about a shootout, a violent crime that phyiscally endangered the public, and lying about a BJ or stock trade are the same?

J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

[lawrocket 3]

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Selective enforcement.

Lying about a shootout, a violent crime that phyiscally endangered the public, and lying about a BJ or stock trade are the same?

J

See the above post. There is no element of the crime for what you are lying about. None.

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[JoeyRamone 0]

Ummm GUn shot, someone died and Martha lied about her own money big difference, Go chase the case if you want it..

[StreetScooby 5]

The question should have _never_ been asked of Bill Clinton. The folks behind his "razing" were/are rabid, and should be shot

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[lawrocket 3]

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Ummm GUn shot, someone died and Martha lied about her own money big difference, Go chase the case if you want it..

One man was hurt in the shootout (notice it didn't say "shot" though he may have been). Meanwhile, Martha passed on what would have been HER loss to others.

Ever been on the losing side of perjury? From what I hear it is not pleasant.

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[StreetScooby 5]

When does it become unreasonable for our judicial system to ask personal questions?

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[lawrocket 3]

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The question should have _never_ been asked of Bill Clinton. The folks behind his "razing" were/are rabid, and should be shot

Then his attorneys should have objkected to the deposition questions. Then, the attorney instructs the client not to answer unless a protective order is issued. Once the protective order is done ensuring that the contents of that section are not to be released, then he's fine. If the answer gets leaked to the press, then whoever leaked it gets put in the can for contempt of court.

Jeez. I used to deal with this shit all the time. It's so goddamned standard. And common. And Clinton, a lawyer himself, should have said, "Hey, this isn't relevant, but if we get a stipulated protective order on the topic, I'll tell you what you wanna know." Instead he lied.

There are such easy solutions to this...

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[lawrocket 3]

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When does it become unreasonable for our judicial system to ask personal questions?

When it has zero relevance on a matter. In discovery, fishing expeditions are explicitly allowed (in california, the Greyhound case, which is the grandaddy of all cases dealign with discovery, actually use the term "fishing expedition" and say it's okay). However, come trial time, most of this stuff is kept out.

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[StreetScooby 5]

I just learned something. Thanks

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[jdhill 0]

So is the judge not allowed some discression in sentencing based on the facts of the underlying case?

Some people get the minimum, some get the max, right?

J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

[brm04usna 0]

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There is no element of the crime for what you are lying about. None.

In terms of guilt/innocence, you're right. However, taking circumstances and consequences into account when determining a sentence is done all the time.

[JoeyRamone 0]

Either way you look at it I feel she got what she had coming....I could give a rats ass about Martha, she did her time for her crime, so lets leave the Billionaire biach out of this...

[kelpdiver 2]

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So is the judge not allowed some discression in sentencing based on the facts of the underlying case?

Some people get the minimum, some get the max, right?

J

Works for me. For a variety of reasons we treat events surrounding shootings as more serious than affairs or white collar crime. That's not always wrong.

I'm a bit amused that her defense was that her friends no longer liked her and made it up. Doesn't seem credible given the photographic evidence.

And as light as their official sentences were, both Clinton and Martha lost a lot more than Lil Kim did here. His legacy was badly tarnished, and she lost hundreds of millions on paper as her company stock plummetted (now recovering a lot of it). But in Kim's profession, jail time is a selling point.

[Steel 0]

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Selective enforcement. Martha Stewart went down for it and served less time. Clinton perjured himself, too, and got a slap on the wrist.

Frankly, here is something that I think African Americans have a legitimate complaint.

exactly, Bill Clinton should have done time. Its such a joke that he was able to finish off his term.

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