Arrests over London bomb attacks

[ScottishJohn 25]

Reported on the BBC web site.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4674463.stm


Lets hope they have the correct person.

John

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[wmw999 2,447]

Hot damn. I hope it continues to be handled with as low a profile as is possible. Best chance of getting more information.

"we kicked their asses" is much better than "we're gonna kick their asses."

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[mr2mk1g 10]

Good news indead.

Clicky for the lazy: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4674463.stm

[Michele 1]

They may have found a van that contained many detonators, according to MSNBC (now). They're also saying that the person on the bus was a suicide bomber, and once they determined who he was, that led them to the homes they searched this morning.

There is going to be a news conference at the top of the hour. And yes, I hope they have the right guy(s).

Edited to add: they are reporting that there were 4 suicide bombers, not just the bus bomber.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[mr2mk1g 10]

They're not saying the bus bomber was a suicide bomber - they're saying they don't know... only that they know he died on the bus.

They're say it may be that the bomb was intended for the subway and the bomber screwed up... but they don't know yet.

At least that's how the reports I've heard are telling it.

[Michele 1]

You'd have better info than I do, being as you're there. And it's pretty plausible, that he missed his target and decided to detonate on the bus instead of the tube.

It's going to be interesting, the news conference.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[Gravitymaster 0]

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They believe the four bombers were British born and all died in the Thursday's bombings.

This has to make you sick to your stomach.

[mr2mk1g 10]

It doesn't surprise me in the slightest though. We have an exceptionally multicultural society here with large numbers of people from all faiths and cultures – including those faiths and cultures we are currently fighting a war against.

I posted on the day that I felt it was more likely to be British Muslims as opposed to foreign bombers simply because there would be far fewer security hurdles to overcome that way.

[Michele 1]

Interesting news conference. And a great, stern admonition to not smear nor slander any particular community for the acts of a few. Big props to these guys who looked like they haven't slept since last week.

Some intriguing comments were made, such as some things have been found in Yorkshire that posed a public hazard, but all were attenuated by the police there. Not exactly sure what this means.

And that they've identified 3 men, but it's not clear if these three are alive or dead. And they identified 4 people from the surveillance tapes, and haven't identified the 4th.

Very very good work by the Yard and MI-5. Well done!

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[Gravitymaster 0]

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It doesn't surprise me in the slightest though. We have an exceptionally multicultural society here with large numbers of people from all faiths and cultures – including those faiths and cultures we are currently fighting a war against.

I posted on the day that I felt it was more likely to be British Muslims as opposed to foreign bombers simply because there would be far fewer security hurdles to overcome that way.

Considering many of them came to Europe after WW2 as "Temporary Guest Workers" and were allowed to stay because of politicians sympathetic to them. Unlike the U.S. where we are a country of Immigrants, many Muslims in Europe aren't as readily accepted and harbour deep seated hatred about being forced into enclaves. Seems a bit xenophobic and racist. The question is what can be done?

[tcnelson 1]

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They're also saying that the person on the bus was a suicide bomber

just semantics here but, there's no such thing as a suicide bomber. they're all homicide bombers.

the later term more apptly describes the situation i think.

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

[wmw999 2,447]

Yes, it is just semantics.

For one thing, only bombers who have fatal bombs are homicide bombers. And "suicide bomber" describes someone who cannot be tracked and caught. A very different thing.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[markd_nscr986 0]

Here's some more.......

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162223,00.html

Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004

[tcnelson 1]

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For one thing, only bombers who have fatal bombs are homicide bombers.

if i ever am unfortunate enough to be near a person that is going to detonate a bomb, i hope it's a non-fatal bomb!

every once in awhile, there is a radical on the news that blows up him/herself in an attempt to kill people and ends up killing only him/herself! i always get a good laugh out of those. they get an F in the fundamentalist terrorist department!

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

[Michele 1]

It is semantics, and I agree - they're homicide bombers. But I also agree with WW on that term, too.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[rhino 0]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162223,00.html

Kick ass..

[Gravitymaster 0]

I wonder how many more times this is going to happen before average citizens start attacking muslims? This could very easily regress into a vigilante' atmosphere.

[Newbie 0]

If that happens there really is no hope for us.

"Skydiving is a door"
Happythoughts

[mr2mk1g 10]

seems you're able to see into the future... they now are suggesting that it's likely the bombers were suicide bombers.

[mr2mk1g 10]

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Unlike the U.S. where we are a country of Immigrants, many Muslims in Europe aren't as readily accepted and harbour deep seated hatred about being forced into enclaves.

The above doesn't really tally with Britain. I can't speak for Europe as a whole but that certainly doesn't hold true for the UK.

Britain is about as much a multicultural and cosmopolitan society as you can imagine. There are large populations here from across the old empire and many more besides. Some groups do tend to cluster but this is generally by choice and stems from the strong sense of community/family inherent in many of the cultures who have immigrated to this country in the last century. It is quite common for example, to find families buying out every property down a street and creating their own little town within a town.

Whilst that could be described as an enclave... no one's being forced into it... and I fail to see why they'd harbor any resentment over their decision.

[Skyrad 0]

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It doesn't surprise me in the slightest though. We have an exceptionally multicultural society here with large numbers of people from all faiths and cultures – including those faiths and cultures we are currently fighting a war against.

I posted on the day that I felt it was more likely to be British Muslims as opposed to foreign bombers simply because there would be far fewer security hurdles to overcome that way.

Considering many of them came to Europe after WW2 as "Temporary Guest Workers" and were allowed to stay because of politicians sympathetic to them. Unlike the U.S. where we are a country of Immigrants, many Muslims in Europe aren't as readily accepted and harbour deep seated hatred about being forced into enclaves. Seems a bit xenophobic and racist. The question is what can be done?

That maybe true in Continental Europe but over here in Britan Muslims came from many countries around the world to the UK where the majority integrated into the UK without living in ghettos. Yes there are areas that are more Muslim than others (For example three of the bombs went off in Muslims areas of London as the northerners that came down here to do the job wern't locals they didn't know or care) as for the hate bit thats a load of crap. Its only a few radicals and judging all Muslims by the actions of these murderers is like judging all Catholics by the actions of the IRA murderers. Besides which these murderers were born here.
If you come to the UK and get knocked over by a car & get taken to hospital you'll find that theres a good chance that the Dr is a Muslim, get a prescription and go to the Pharmacy theres a good chance that the Pharmacist is a Muslim, get a Lawer to sue and fair chance he ill be a Muslim as well, along with your Accountant and your kids teacher. Muslims in the UK are in the majority not down trodden oppressed and live in nice areas and good homes just like anyone else. Of course there are some (Mainly up north) that live in dumps but they have integrated so well they're just like any other northerner.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Skyrad 0]

A Muslim man was kicked to death today in Nottingham as he left a corner shop, his murderers chanted 'Taliban, Taliban, Taliban' as they kicked him to death.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Gravitymaster 0]

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It doesn't surprise me in the slightest though. We have an exceptionally multicultural society here with large numbers of people from all faiths and cultures – including those faiths and cultures we are currently fighting a war against.

I posted on the day that I felt it was more likely to be British Muslims as opposed to foreign bombers simply because there would be far fewer security hurdles to overcome that way.

Considering many of them came to Europe after WW2 as "Temporary Guest Workers" and were allowed to stay because of politicians sympathetic to them. Unlike the U.S. where we are a country of Immigrants, many Muslims in Europe aren't as readily accepted and harbour deep seated hatred about being forced into enclaves. Seems a bit xenophobic and racist. The question is what can be done?

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That maybe true in Continental Europe but over here in Britan Muslims came from many countries around the world to the UK where the majority integrated into the UK without living in ghettos.
Yes there are areas that are more Muslim than others (For example three of the bombs went off in Muslims areas of London as the northerners that came down here to do the job wern't locals they didn't know or care) as for the hate bit thats a load of crap. Its only a few radicals and judging all Muslims by the actions of these murderers is like judging all Catholics by the actions of the IRA murderers. Besides which these murderers were born here.
If you come to the UK and get knocked over by a car & get taken to hospital you'll find that theres a good chance that the Dr is a Muslim, get a prescription and go to the Pharmacy theres a good chance that the Pharmacist is a Muslim, get a Lawer to sue and fair chance he ill be a Muslim as well, along with your Accountant and your kids teacher. Muslims in the UK are in the majority not down trodden oppressed and live in nice areas and good homes just like anyone else. Of course there are some (Mainly up north) that live in dumps but they have integrated so well they're just like any northerner.

My seems I hit a nerve. I never said all muslims I said many. I also never said ghettos, I said enclaves which you admit in your post exist. This is not much different, I'm sure to the US in the early part of the 20th Century. I also never said thats the way it is today, I said after WW2.

It would be interesting to hear about the backgrounds of these men, ie. education, family history etc. Might give some insight into how they developed enough hatred for Britian that they were willing to give their lives for "the cause."

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[Skyrad 0]

Hi, no you didn't hit a nerve I was just setting the record straight, didn't mean to sound strident. OK, heres some information on the bombers you wanted. The source is todays Telegraph newspaper.


Profiles of the London four
(Filed: 13/07/2005)

Here are the profiles of the four who are suspected of carrying out the first suicide bombings in Britain, in which at least 52 people have died.

At least three were young British-born men with Pakistan backgrounds who lived near Leeds. The fourth is believed to have come from Luton.



The youngest was 18, and the oldest 30.

Documents belonging to the four were recovered at the scene of the four blasts.

Shehzad Tanweer, 22, of Beeston, Leeds, is believed to have been the Liverpool Street bomber, killing six other people.

A cricket-loving sports science graduate who was described as a "good Muslim". Born in Bradford and is believed to have attended a comprehensive school in Leeds. His father owns a fish and chip shop.

Described by a friend as a "very kind person who would get along with anyone and anybody. He's the kind of guy who would condemn extremism."

Lived in the same semi-detached house all his life.

He had travelled to Afghanistan and Pakistan within the last six months.

Hasib Mir Hussain, 18, from Holbeck, Leeds, is believed to been the Number 30 bus bomber in Tavistock Square, killing 12 other people.

It is known that his driving licence and cash cards were found in the mangled wreckage of the number 30 bus, in which 13 people died.

He had told his parents, who he lived with in a red-brick terraced house, that he was going to London with friends on the day of the attacks and at 10.20pm last Thursday his mother reported him missing to the police - apparently fearing he may have been caught in the tragedy.

Detectives are examining the possibility that he either panicked or changed his mind over the suicide mission and carried his bomb on to the bus. It might have gone off accidentally or he could have set it off, perhaps after being challenged by passengers.

Another theory is that three bombers travelled west, east and south on the London Underground from King's Cross and the fourth was supposed to go north but the Northern Line was closed that day.

Hussain left Matthew Murray High School in Leeds less than two years ago, education officials in the city confirmed. Despite a good attendance record he was withdrawn by teachers from all his GCSE exams and took only a GNVQ in Business Studies.

Neighbours said he had become "very religious" two years ago.

Mohammed Sadique Khan, a 30-year-old from Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, blew himself up on the Edgware Road train, killing six other people, police believe.

Like Tanweer he seemed an unlikely suicide bomber. Friends said he was married with an eight-month-old baby girl and that he worked with disabled children in a primary school.

All three men were believed to have been friends but not related.

A fourth bomber, 22, is thought to have lived in the Luton area and the West Yorkshire men are understood to have used hire cars to travel to Luton last Thursday morning.

He is believed to have set off the explosives between King's Cross and Russell Square.

All four bombers boarded a Thameslink rail service to King's Cross last Thursday, where they were captured on CCTV just before 8.30am.

They then split up, three of them detonating their bombs on separate trains simultaneously at 8.50am.

The bus bomb detonated 57 minutes later.

Detectives and the security services fear there could still be a second suicide bomb team waiting to strike and that an al-Qa'eda mastermind could have orchestrated the attacks before fleeing the UK.

The bombers appear to be the security services' worst nightmare, so-called "clean skins", apparently ordinary young men who had not previously come to the attention of the authorities.

"How many clean skins have we got waiting in the wings?" a senior security source said.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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[SkyDekker 1,465]

Both sides are right. The guest worker scenario was mostly in Western Europe and really didn't start untill well after WWII. Brittain is not really included in that program since they went through a bit of a rough time during those years. They idn't need guest workers, they had a hard enought ime getting their own people employment.

The whole guest worker issue is spiralling out of control in countries like The Netherlands though....