10 million Mexicans

[billvon 3,009]

>i would question your honesty and motives

Your one warning.

[gkc1436 3]

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so you would have no problem if i snuck into your country, leaving 50 miles of trash along the way, stole your cars to drive across your country to steal your services (healthcare/wellfare) enough that your citizens couldnt get the care they payed for. undercut your population by doing jobs for less than the going rate
vote in your elections to affect your future.
and then squeezed out a child and called him a citizen????
if you dont have a problem with that......
i would question your honesty and motives


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Read his previous posts--he does *not* support that crap!!!

Walt

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Hey Enrique,

I think you are getting a little confused.

*** "You are a free Country but it is unthinkable to say the word "black" in public ... even if you are refering to the color of your vehicle, because there could be someone with darker skin around you and he might feel offended and bring the house down on you. Even a Mexican cartoon character is subject to scrutiny by the White House!!! "

What you are talking about is political correctness. It has nothing to do with the freedom or Gov't, and everything to do with whinney liberals and too many lawyers.

I tell you what, the US will trade Mexico 1 lawyer for 10 immigrants. That should balance things out.

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You are a free Country but it is unthinkable to say the word "black" in public ... even if you are refering to the color of your vehicle, because there could be someone with darker skin around you and he might feel offended and bring the house down on you.

What parts of the US so you spend your time in? That is an absurd statement. I not only use the word black to describe a car, but I will use it to decribe the color of someones skin as well. Regardless of the skin color of the person I may be talking to.

Much of what you say is well written and educated, but where do you spend time where you can't call a black person black? Damn!

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

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You are a free Country but it is unthinkable to say the word "black" in public ... even if you are refering to the color of your vehicle, because there could be someone with darker skin around you and he might feel offended and bring the house down on you.

What parts of the US so you spend your time in? That is an absurd statement. I not only use the word black to describe a car, but I will use it to decribe the color of someones skin as well. Regardless of the skin color of the person I may be talking to.

Much of what you say is well written and educated, but where do you spend time where you can't call a black person black? Damn!

He was off-base on that point, but the Mexican government has taken a load of crap from the US Political Correctness police recently.

In one incident, Mexico's president, Vicente Fox, made the comment that Mexican immigrants to the United States take jobs "that not even blacks want to do."

Naturally, Jesse Jackson and his merry band of "everybody be tryin' to keep da' black man down" crew used the opportunity to get in the news.

Next came the Mexican governments issuance of a stamp with a cartoon character, "Memin Pinguin". It's a very old-style cartoon in which the character in the foreground is a black kid that has features that make him look kind of half black kid and half monkey. There is also an "Aunt Jemima"-looking character in the background.

Here's a link to a CNN article: http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/06/29/mexico.stamp.ap/

Of course this brought on another barrage of accusations of racism aimed at the Mexican government.

If Enrique or any other Mexican citizen has the idea that blacks in this country are extremely beyond hyper-sensitive, I can see where he gets it.

So how about cutting him a bit of slack? Slack-cutting is not normal procedure here, but he seems like a pretty good guy and I enjoy his contributions to the mayhem here.

Walt

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>However, once they are allowed in legally, they are going to want
> IRA's, Medical Insurance, retirement plans, and to get them they
>will have to Unionize, etc.

You mean we'll have to treat them like people? Horrors! But I think we will survive.

(BTW, yes they will want all that stuff, but they will also be paying taxes. Two sides to every coin.)

The point is, once you add all the benefits in, you no longer have cheap labor and are right back to the reason we use illegals. Hey, maybe we could get some Iraqi's over here for cheap labor.

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[wmw999 2,461]

Look at Rome. Not a lot of bleeding-heart liberals there. But a whole lot of "that's how it's always been and we're too powerful and badass for it to be any other way" going on.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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So how about cutting him a bit of slack? Slack-cutting is not normal procedure here, but he seems like a pretty good guy and I enjoy his contributions to the mayhem here.

OK I agree so mabey I should not have been so harsh to call it an absurd statement. But Americans get bashed quite a bit for forming an opinion on life overseas by what we have heard or read.

If he has spent anytime in the states then I would still like to find out where it has been to still have these opinions of us. I really meant no disrespect to him and I too enjoy his contributions.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

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Look at Rome. Not a lot of bleeding-heart liberals there. But a whole lot of "that's how it's always been and we're too powerful and badass for it to be any other way" going on.

Wendy W.

Point well taken. Bleeding heart liberals are one of my favorite groups to pick on, but the larger picture I see is that there is so much in-fighting in the US that we are having a very hard time coming together as a country at a time when we desperately need to.

It's a divide and conquer thing. We are a country divided in so many ways (race, socio-economic groups, politics (like bleeding heart liberals vs. right-wingers), religion, etc.) that in my view, we are a lot more fragile than we ought to be.

Walt

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So how about cutting him a bit of slack? Slack-cutting is not normal procedure here, but he seems like a pretty good guy and I enjoy his contributions to the mayhem here.

OK I agree so mabey I should not have been so harsh to call it an absurd statement. But Americans get bashed quite a bit for forming an opinion on life overseas by what we have heard or read.

If he has spent anytime in the states then I would still like to find out where it has been to still have these opinions of us. I really meant no disrespect to him and I too enjoy his contributions.

He has lived all of his life in Tijuana (I hope I spelled that correctly) and, since it is a border town, has an enormous number of opportunities every day to see US citizens at their worst.

I find that he is quite understanding of the fact that there are a lot of great people in this country and he is respectful of the US culture, but I think it likely that his views are bound to be colored by the sleazy behaviors of Americans visiting his home town and by what he sees in the American media.

Walt

[billvon 3,009]

>If he has spent anytime in the states then I would still like to
>find out where it has been to still have these opinions of us.

Well, as I've jumped with him at US DZ's, he has indeed spent time in the States.

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U.S. law does not allow an illegal to join the military. They must at least have a Green Card and be a permanent resident. I'm surprised I've never heard your claim before.

Do you have any idea how many Philippino's are (or at least used to be) in the Navy? My understanding (subject to error) was that citizenship was dangled as a recruiting tool. Sure, it's just anecdotal coming from me, but I'd bet many Navy vets would back me up on it. Perhaps "Pacific Islander" data for Navy enlistment is available?

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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He has lived all of his life in Tijuana (I hope I spelled that correctly)
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Yup, you sure did spell it correctly! It used to be 'Tia Juana' (Aunt Jane)

Chuck

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there is so much in-fighting in the US that we are having a very hard time coming together as a country at a time when we desperately need to.

Things are too easy right now for individuals. Unfortunately, human beans seem to need a common opponent to team up against. If everyone is poor, then it can be hunger, but, well, few are really hungry in the US. What we consider to be poor is not poor in many other countries.

We did team up for WW2, and to a smaller degree for 9/11. We had a large part of the world identifying with us then.

But until there's something that can make all of the disparate groups that distrust each other see their likenesses as more important than their differences, it's unlikely to change. And every time one group points out how it's better than the others in a rub-your-nose-in-it way, it's another step toward divisiveness.

And with publicity becoming easier and easier, it's getting to be incredibly easy to focus on what the vocal minority says, and ignore the generally more mainstream majority.

And no, I'm not going to pray for a plague or an invasion so we can all pull together. We have the problem of petro-fuel coming soon enough.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)