lawrocket 3 #1 July 20, 2005 John G. Roberts, an appellate district judge and longtime appellate attorney who has plenty of experience being before the Supreme Court. Apparently this guy won some pretty easy support when he was nominated by Bush, Jr. in 2003. I think the fact that he was just confirmed a couple of years ago without much opposition is a politically brilliant move by Bush, Jr. Senators who supported him and gave him a yes vote back then will have a hard time Borking him this time around. I don't think this will be too ugly on a personal level. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #2 July 20, 2005 QuoteI don't think this will be too ugly on a personal level. it would be a nice surprise but I wouldn't bet my pay check on it. My bet is Teddy boy will be whining like a stuck pig by end of day tomorrow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madscape 0 #3 July 20, 2005 Roe is dead in the water. Welcome to the American Christian Taliban Theocracy. GOPers want Government off your back and out of your life, but apparently it's fine to have government in a woman's uterus. Next up--Mandatory Protestant Prayer in Schools. Free Speech is gone, the slope greased with the inevitable flag burning laws. God help us. We're on our way to Orwell's 1984, albeit 21 years late... Fuck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #4 July 20, 2005 QuoteRoe is dead in the water. I'm pro choice, and I wouldn't be sad to see Roe overturned. I think it's pretty crummy law, actually. I'd much rather see abortion rights given a firmer footing than the (easily attacked by lawmakers) nebulous penumbra rights.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #5 July 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteRoe is dead in the water. I'm pro choice, and I wouldn't be sad to see Roe overturned. I think it's pretty crummy law, actually. I'd much rather see abortion rights given a firmer footing than the (easily attacked by lawmakers) nebulous penumbra rights. In a way, a lot of pro-life politicians are actually protected by Roe vs. Wade. If it's overturned and they actually start passing laws severely restricting abortion, some of them might get an unexpected reaction from the electorate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #6 July 20, 2005 QuoteRoe is dead in the water. Welcome to the American Christian Taliban Theocracy. GOPers want Government off your back and out of your life, but apparently it's fine to have government in a woman's uterus. Next up--Mandatory Protestant Prayer in Schools. Free Speech is gone, the slope greased with the inevitable flag burning laws. God help us. We're on our way to Orwell's 1984, albeit 21 years late... Fuck. damn...welcome to drama class. if i had to choose one word to describe that description of a possible future it would be "excessive", even from a liberal standpoint. do you really believe that your free speech is gone? do you really believe that mandatory prayer in school will happen? i assume you were just being overly dramatic."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #7 July 20, 2005 QuoteGOPers want Government off your back and out of your life, . the NeoCon's want nothing of the sort... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ahegeman 0 #8 July 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteGOPers want Government off your back and out of your life, . the NeoCon's want nothing of the sort... Unfortunately, no one in politics apparently does. Even more unfortunately, I don't think the voters do, either.--------------------------------------------------------------- There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'. --Dave Barry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #9 July 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteRoe is dead in the water. Welcome to the American Christian Taliban Theocracy. GOPers want Government off your back and out of your life, but apparently it's fine to have government in a woman's uterus. Next up--Mandatory Protestant Prayer in Schools. Free Speech is gone, the slope greased with the inevitable flag burning laws. God help us. We're on our way to Orwell's 1984, albeit 21 years late... Fuck. damn...welcome to drama class. if i had to choose one word to describe that description of a possible future it would be "excessive", even from a liberal standpoint. do you really believe that your free speech is gone? do you really believe that mandatory prayer in school will happen? i assume you were just being overly dramatic. Do the neocons in the US today, envision the end of free speech and the effective end of freedom in the US? Who knows? Do you think German citizens, all caught up in the fervor or nationalism, envisioned the slaughter of millions of undesirables? Like most catastrophic events, the best time for intervention is early in the curve. Once you hit the ground, it's pretty much too late, don't you think? jen----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gringito 0 #10 July 20, 2005 Quote it would be a nice surprise but I wouldn't bet my pay check on it. My bet is Teddy boy will be whining like a stuck pig by end of day tomorrow. When you become a rich man, would you be so kind as to spread a little of your new found wealth? Is that too much to ask?Green Grass and High Tides under Blue Skies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #11 July 20, 2005 And what is a NeoCon, exactly? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Frenchy68 0 #12 July 20, 2005 QuoteAnd what is a NeoCon, exactly? I can tell you what it means in French! "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #13 July 20, 2005 Je voudrais boir du la tequila. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Frenchy68 0 #14 July 20, 2005 QuoteJe voudrais boir du la tequila. Je serais ravi de te rejoindre dans ta débaucherie Tequileste dans les quelques heures qui suivent... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tkhayes 348 #15 July 20, 2005 Quotedamn...welcome to drama class. if i had to choose one word to describe that description of a possible future it would be "excessive", even from a liberal standpoint. do you really believe that your free speech is gone? do you really believe that mandatory prayer in school will happen? i assume you were just being overly dramatic. I think our free speech is 'going'. not yet gone - but defnitely going mandatory prayer? You bet, only a matter of time. We are already integrating Christianity with the government at a scale I have not seen in my lifetime. How long do you think it will take to intergrate it with the laws of this country, especially with Christian right-wingers in the supremem court and in the Congress/Senate? Excessive? not at all. Just looking out for YOUR right to choose.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #16 July 20, 2005 QuoteWho knows? Do you think German citizens, all caught up in the fervor or nationalism, envisioned the slaughter of millions of undesirables? Slaughter of undesirables huh?......Kinda like abortion?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #17 July 20, 2005 QuoteIn Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GOPers want Government off your back and out of your life, . -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the NeoCon's want nothing of the sort... Liberals want to run your life....They want to make you pay for others. How is that any different? Politicians ALL get up in the average mans cornflakes. The choice is who do you want trying to run your life and why? I'd rather not have liberals telling me how I can live my life, and making me pay for those who are to lazy to live their own life."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #18 July 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteRoe is dead in the water. Welcome to the American Christian Taliban Theocracy. GOPers want Government off your back and out of your life, but apparently it's fine to have government in a woman's uterus. Next up--Mandatory Protestant Prayer in Schools. Free Speech is gone, the slope greased with the inevitable flag burning laws. God help us. We're on our way to Orwell's 1984, albeit 21 years late... Fuck. damn...welcome to drama class. if i had to choose one word to describe that description of a possible future it would be "excessive", even from a liberal standpoint. do you really believe that your free speech is gone? do you really believe that mandatory prayer in school will happen? i assume you were just being overly dramatic. Look at the profile for madscape. Nothing. Troll?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #19 July 20, 2005 QuoteI think our free speech is 'going'. not yet gone - but defnitely going Free speech is not going anywhere. You can claim all day that it is but the facts say otherwise. You will bring up the "flag burning" BS. Well its not in the Constitution yet now is it? Quotemandatory prayer? You bet, only a matter of time. Hardley. Not a chance. Now you can and will claim that a "Moment of silence" is, but I think if you think that the Constitution and the First is gonna be ignored, think again. I DO wish that all of you that cry about the First gave a shit about the Second. QuoteWe are already integrating Christianity with the government at a scale I have not seen in my lifetime. Recent SC rullings have made it so the 10 comandments are not OK to display in a court...So I don't know where you are coming from. 1956 "In God We Trust" was added to the Pledge...That is not happening today now is it? QuoteExcessive? not at all. Just looking out for YOUR right to choose.... If you are talking Roe, I find it funny that you wish to kill innocent babies, but defend criminals rights. Liberals want to kill babies but protect criminals. Conservatives want to protect babies and kill criminals."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tcnelson 1 #20 July 20, 2005 QuoteDo you think German citizens, all caught up in the fervor or nationalism, envisioned the slaughter of millions of undesirables? once again...overly dramatic. personally, i think this country need some moral fiber sewn back into it but, hey, i just might be a "neocon" in your eyes. "Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tcnelson 1 #21 July 20, 2005 Quotemandatory prayer? You bet, only a matter of time. We are already integrating Christianity with the government at a scale I have not seen in my lifetime. i think you've got it backwards... christianity has been being plucked out of govt. as time has moved on. this country was founded on principles that were taken directly from christianity and western european culture. i'm not a practicing religious person but, it would be a hard argument to say that there is more protestant influence on govt. today than there was fifty years ago."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,447 #22 July 20, 2005 I was just reading the 1960 Information Please almanac. In 1960, there were fewer than 1,000,000 Muslims in the US; not that many more Jews, and too few of much of anything else (besides Catholic and Protestant) to even warrant mention. US was much more homogeneous 50 years ago, and where it wasn't (e.g. color), the people with the power just didn't acknowledge those without it. So while it was more accepted that "of course you have to say 'so help me God'," it also was almost certain to reflect your personal beliefs. The problem with that "we are normal and people not like us aren't" approach is that the people with the power won't always have it. Then the world they set up will either grow gracefully, or collapse -- depends in part on the respect they treat those who used to "not matter." Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tcnelson 1 #23 July 20, 2005 QuoteExcessive? not at all. Just looking out for YOUR right to choose... thanks. we don't agree about what's happening in our country to any extent. so, from my point of view, i'm looking out for your right to not have a completely f'd up country. the fact that there are people on both sides of the social and political aisle keeps the philosophy needle somewhere in the middle all of the time."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Steel 0 #24 July 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteRoe is dead in the water. Welcome to the American Christian Taliban Theocracy. GOPers want Government off your back and out of your life, but apparently it's fine to have government in a woman's uterus. Next up--Mandatory Protestant Prayer in Schools. Free Speech is gone, the slope greased with the inevitable flag burning laws. God help us. We're on our way to Orwell's 1984, albeit 21 years late... Fuck. damn...welcome to drama class. if i had to choose one word to describe that description of a possible future it would be "excessive", even from a liberal standpoint. do you really believe that your free speech is gone? do you really believe that mandatory prayer in school will happen? i assume you were just being overly dramatic. Do the neocons in the US today, envision the end of free speech and the effective end of freedom in the US? Who knows? Do you think German citizens, all caught up in the fervor or nationalism, envisioned the slaughter of millions of undesirables? Like most catastrophic events, the best time for intervention is early in the curve. Once you hit the ground, it's pretty much too late, don't you think? jen Do you think that the lefties resposible for the build up of the Soviet Union envisioned the Millions that would be slaughtered because of it? Do you that that at the time when Clinton was tying the hands of the CIA that he envisioning an attack at the scale of the world trade center?If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #25 July 20, 2005 John G. Roberts Seems like a good choice. Not insanely conservative and very well qualified. About freedom of choice. I really don’t know. I feel a woman should have the right to choose but lately I am not so sure. You should have the right to choose only when your choice of conceiving or engaging in intercourse was not given. In cases of rape, molestation, incest, or if the form of birth control that was used did not work. It will be very hard to determine the last one. 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TheAnvil 0 #11 July 20, 2005 And what is a NeoCon, exactly? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #12 July 20, 2005 QuoteAnd what is a NeoCon, exactly? I can tell you what it means in French! "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #13 July 20, 2005 Je voudrais boir du la tequila. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #14 July 20, 2005 QuoteJe voudrais boir du la tequila. Je serais ravi de te rejoindre dans ta débaucherie Tequileste dans les quelques heures qui suivent... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #15 July 20, 2005 Quotedamn...welcome to drama class. if i had to choose one word to describe that description of a possible future it would be "excessive", even from a liberal standpoint. do you really believe that your free speech is gone? do you really believe that mandatory prayer in school will happen? i assume you were just being overly dramatic. I think our free speech is 'going'. not yet gone - but defnitely going mandatory prayer? You bet, only a matter of time. We are already integrating Christianity with the government at a scale I have not seen in my lifetime. How long do you think it will take to intergrate it with the laws of this country, especially with Christian right-wingers in the supremem court and in the Congress/Senate? Excessive? not at all. Just looking out for YOUR right to choose.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #16 July 20, 2005 QuoteWho knows? Do you think German citizens, all caught up in the fervor or nationalism, envisioned the slaughter of millions of undesirables? Slaughter of undesirables huh?......Kinda like abortion?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #17 July 20, 2005 QuoteIn Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GOPers want Government off your back and out of your life, . -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the NeoCon's want nothing of the sort... Liberals want to run your life....They want to make you pay for others. How is that any different? Politicians ALL get up in the average mans cornflakes. The choice is who do you want trying to run your life and why? I'd rather not have liberals telling me how I can live my life, and making me pay for those who are to lazy to live their own life."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #18 July 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteRoe is dead in the water. Welcome to the American Christian Taliban Theocracy. GOPers want Government off your back and out of your life, but apparently it's fine to have government in a woman's uterus. Next up--Mandatory Protestant Prayer in Schools. Free Speech is gone, the slope greased with the inevitable flag burning laws. God help us. We're on our way to Orwell's 1984, albeit 21 years late... Fuck. damn...welcome to drama class. if i had to choose one word to describe that description of a possible future it would be "excessive", even from a liberal standpoint. do you really believe that your free speech is gone? do you really believe that mandatory prayer in school will happen? i assume you were just being overly dramatic. Look at the profile for madscape. Nothing. Troll?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #19 July 20, 2005 QuoteI think our free speech is 'going'. not yet gone - but defnitely going Free speech is not going anywhere. You can claim all day that it is but the facts say otherwise. You will bring up the "flag burning" BS. Well its not in the Constitution yet now is it? Quotemandatory prayer? You bet, only a matter of time. Hardley. Not a chance. Now you can and will claim that a "Moment of silence" is, but I think if you think that the Constitution and the First is gonna be ignored, think again. I DO wish that all of you that cry about the First gave a shit about the Second. QuoteWe are already integrating Christianity with the government at a scale I have not seen in my lifetime. Recent SC rullings have made it so the 10 comandments are not OK to display in a court...So I don't know where you are coming from. 1956 "In God We Trust" was added to the Pledge...That is not happening today now is it? QuoteExcessive? not at all. Just looking out for YOUR right to choose.... If you are talking Roe, I find it funny that you wish to kill innocent babies, but defend criminals rights. Liberals want to kill babies but protect criminals. Conservatives want to protect babies and kill criminals."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #20 July 20, 2005 QuoteDo you think German citizens, all caught up in the fervor or nationalism, envisioned the slaughter of millions of undesirables? once again...overly dramatic. personally, i think this country need some moral fiber sewn back into it but, hey, i just might be a "neocon" in your eyes. "Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #21 July 20, 2005 Quotemandatory prayer? You bet, only a matter of time. We are already integrating Christianity with the government at a scale I have not seen in my lifetime. i think you've got it backwards... christianity has been being plucked out of govt. as time has moved on. this country was founded on principles that were taken directly from christianity and western european culture. i'm not a practicing religious person but, it would be a hard argument to say that there is more protestant influence on govt. today than there was fifty years ago."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,447 #22 July 20, 2005 I was just reading the 1960 Information Please almanac. In 1960, there were fewer than 1,000,000 Muslims in the US; not that many more Jews, and too few of much of anything else (besides Catholic and Protestant) to even warrant mention. US was much more homogeneous 50 years ago, and where it wasn't (e.g. color), the people with the power just didn't acknowledge those without it. So while it was more accepted that "of course you have to say 'so help me God'," it also was almost certain to reflect your personal beliefs. The problem with that "we are normal and people not like us aren't" approach is that the people with the power won't always have it. Then the world they set up will either grow gracefully, or collapse -- depends in part on the respect they treat those who used to "not matter." Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #23 July 20, 2005 QuoteExcessive? not at all. Just looking out for YOUR right to choose... thanks. we don't agree about what's happening in our country to any extent. so, from my point of view, i'm looking out for your right to not have a completely f'd up country. the fact that there are people on both sides of the social and political aisle keeps the philosophy needle somewhere in the middle all of the time."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #24 July 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteRoe is dead in the water. Welcome to the American Christian Taliban Theocracy. GOPers want Government off your back and out of your life, but apparently it's fine to have government in a woman's uterus. Next up--Mandatory Protestant Prayer in Schools. Free Speech is gone, the slope greased with the inevitable flag burning laws. God help us. We're on our way to Orwell's 1984, albeit 21 years late... Fuck. damn...welcome to drama class. if i had to choose one word to describe that description of a possible future it would be "excessive", even from a liberal standpoint. do you really believe that your free speech is gone? do you really believe that mandatory prayer in school will happen? i assume you were just being overly dramatic. Do the neocons in the US today, envision the end of free speech and the effective end of freedom in the US? Who knows? Do you think German citizens, all caught up in the fervor or nationalism, envisioned the slaughter of millions of undesirables? Like most catastrophic events, the best time for intervention is early in the curve. Once you hit the ground, it's pretty much too late, don't you think? jen Do you think that the lefties resposible for the build up of the Soviet Union envisioned the Millions that would be slaughtered because of it? Do you that that at the time when Clinton was tying the hands of the CIA that he envisioning an attack at the scale of the world trade center?If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #25 July 20, 2005 John G. Roberts Seems like a good choice. Not insanely conservative and very well qualified. About freedom of choice. I really don’t know. I feel a woman should have the right to choose but lately I am not so sure. You should have the right to choose only when your choice of conceiving or engaging in intercourse was not given. In cases of rape, molestation, incest, or if the form of birth control that was used did not work. It will be very hard to determine the last one. I guess if it were a black or white issue there would not be so much to debate.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
