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The relevance is that people are being punished...Maybe not to the standards some want, but very few who are bitching understand the environment.
You cannot compare a punsihment for someone killing someone by accident or negligance in a war zone to the same crime done in NY, London, or Berlin.
Is it wrong? Yes. But it would be insane to punish them the same.
ron what a can of worms you opened with this, you see .... thats always the exuse when they kill dark skinned people, the circumstances.. the stress... the fear... you say it would be treated differentlly in ny london and berlin. what about 4 white cops shooting a hard working legal imigrant on his dor step 41 times for reaching for his wallet.... in nyc a few years back..... no jail time.
a few months later under covers shot a guy in a storage area for running from under cover cops, the guy heard a bust going on and ran cause he didn't know what the rukus was about.... no jail time for the cops.
what about the guy in london... the arab guy er brazilian or whatever dark skinned guy he was...that got shot running from plains cloths cops with guns out rushing up on him..... the jury is still out on that but don't hold your breath for justice on that one either.
what if i shot a cop cause i thaught he was pointing a gun at me....i'll bet there'd be some jail time attached to that.
the problem is this military police state atitude we've got going here.
no doubt about it it ain't easy on the pawns put in the line off fire by the governments. but they are not being trained right or something. and like i said before.... the leadership isn't doing a damn thing about the problem... so it's up to the guys doing it right to get on the ego challenged punks doing this cowardlly stuff ....not defending them.
imagine a rowdy bunch of sky divers around a camp fire drunk and having a good time being loud and what not.....and some cop comes up and starts shooting in the crowd cause he doesn't see the innocence of the situation..... now picture an afgahni wedding party getting bombed for doing the same thing .....
You cannot compare a punsihment for someone killing someone by accident or negligance in a war zone to the same crime done in NY, London, or Berlin.
Is it wrong? Yes. But it would be insane to punish them the same.
ron what a can of worms you opened with this, you see .... thats always the exuse when they kill dark skinned people, the circumstances.. the stress... the fear... you say it would be treated differentlly in ny london and berlin. what about 4 white cops shooting a hard working legal imigrant on his dor step 41 times for reaching for his wallet.... in nyc a few years back..... no jail time.
a few months later under covers shot a guy in a storage area for running from under cover cops, the guy heard a bust going on and ran cause he didn't know what the rukus was about.... no jail time for the cops.
what about the guy in london... the arab guy er brazilian or whatever dark skinned guy he was...that got shot running from plains cloths cops with guns out rushing up on him..... the jury is still out on that but don't hold your breath for justice on that one either.
what if i shot a cop cause i thaught he was pointing a gun at me....i'll bet there'd be some jail time attached to that.
the problem is this military police state atitude we've got going here.
no doubt about it it ain't easy on the pawns put in the line off fire by the governments. but they are not being trained right or something. and like i said before.... the leadership isn't doing a damn thing about the problem... so it's up to the guys doing it right to get on the ego challenged punks doing this cowardlly stuff ....not defending them.
imagine a rowdy bunch of sky divers around a camp fire drunk and having a good time being loud and what not.....and some cop comes up and starts shooting in the crowd cause he doesn't see the innocence of the situation..... now picture an afgahni wedding party getting bombed for doing the same thing .....
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>I think what you aren't understanding is that there may be mitigating
> circumstances.
I think you are dead on here. The mitigating circumstance is that the perpetrator was american, and that's what all the fuss is about. Imagine what would happen had an Iraqi fought with, then drowned, an off-duty US soldier. Think he'd get 45 days in jail? He'd be lucky not to be tortured to death in a US prison.
So you know this for a fact because you were in the Courtroom and heard all the testimony? Gee Bill, you really do get around.
billvon 3,070
>So you know this for a fact because you were in the Courtroom
>and heard all the testimony?
I was there at least as often as you were.
>and heard all the testimony?
I was there at least as often as you were.
>So you know this for a fact because you were in the Courtroom
>and heard all the testimony?
I was there at least as often as you were.
The difference is I accept the ruling of the Court because they are the ones who made the ruling after hearing the evidence. You are just tossing bullshit.
billvon 3,070
> . . .because they are the ones who made the ruling after hearing the evidence.
So you believe, for example, that OJ is innocent of all crimes? That Clinton isn't guilty of lying under oath? Good to hear you have so much faith in the system! It almost seemed for a second that you only went with the court when you agreed with their decisions.
So you believe, for example, that OJ is innocent of all crimes? That Clinton isn't guilty of lying under oath? Good to hear you have so much faith in the system! It almost seemed for a second that you only went with the court when you agreed with their decisions.
> . . .because they are the ones who made the ruling after hearing the evidence.
So you believe, for example, that OJ is innocent of all crimes? That Clinton isn't guilty of lying under oath? Good to hear you have so much faith in the system! It almost seemed for a second that you only went with the court when you agreed with their decisions.
Nice try Bill. Point out a few high-profile cases and then try to use them to suggest the whole legal sytem is corrupt. You have any evidence to refute the findings or do you just like the smell of Bullshit.
JAKARTA (Reuters) - An Indonesian court on Tuesday sentenced a man to four years in jail for his role in a suicide car bombing outside the Australian embassy in Jakarta last year, the second conviction handed down over the attack.
Agus Ahmad, 31, was found guilty by the South Jakarta district court of helping alleged bombing mastermind Azahari bin Husin prepare for the blast, which killed 10 people, all of them Indonesians.
The three-judge panel said Ahmad helped Azahari, a Malaysian and senior figure in Jemaah Islamiah, an al Qaeda-linked network, as well as another defendant, Iwan Dharmawan alias Rois, transport explosive materials in July 2004.
"The defendant surely knew the things being carried around were explosive materials and that they could be used to make a bomb," said presiding judge Johannes Suhadi.
Ahmad said he would appeal.
Prosecutors had earlier demanded the court jail Ahmad for five years for helping transport and hide the materials that were used in the Sept. 9, 2004, blast.
Indonesia has blamed Jemaah Islamiah, a Southeast Asian militant network, for the attack.
Azahari along with fellow Malaysian Noordin M. Top are the most wanted men in Indonesia -- where police believe they are hiding. Police have said they believe both are recruiting more Islamic militants for further attacks.
The duo are also accused of involvement in the 2002 Bali nightclub blasts that killed 202 people and a 2003 car bombing at Jakarta's JW Marriott Hotel that left 12 dead.
Ahmad was initially charged for hiding Azahari but the prosecution dropped the charge because they believed the alleged bombmaker used an alias and Ahmad did not know he was wanted for the Bali and Marriott attacks.
Last week, the same court handed Irun Hidayat a 42-month jail term for assisting the bombers after failing to prove he helped plan and execute the attack.
The one-tonbomb ripped open the blast-proof fence at the front of the heavily fortified Australian mission and damaged the front of the main building.
Agus Ahmad, 31, was found guilty by the South Jakarta district court of helping alleged bombing mastermind Azahari bin Husin prepare for the blast, which killed 10 people, all of them Indonesians.
The three-judge panel said Ahmad helped Azahari, a Malaysian and senior figure in Jemaah Islamiah, an al Qaeda-linked network, as well as another defendant, Iwan Dharmawan alias Rois, transport explosive materials in July 2004.
"The defendant surely knew the things being carried around were explosive materials and that they could be used to make a bomb," said presiding judge Johannes Suhadi.
Ahmad said he would appeal.
Prosecutors had earlier demanded the court jail Ahmad for five years for helping transport and hide the materials that were used in the Sept. 9, 2004, blast.
Indonesia has blamed Jemaah Islamiah, a Southeast Asian militant network, for the attack.
Azahari along with fellow Malaysian Noordin M. Top are the most wanted men in Indonesia -- where police believe they are hiding. Police have said they believe both are recruiting more Islamic militants for further attacks.
The duo are also accused of involvement in the 2002 Bali nightclub blasts that killed 202 people and a 2003 car bombing at Jakarta's JW Marriott Hotel that left 12 dead.
Ahmad was initially charged for hiding Azahari but the prosecution dropped the charge because they believed the alleged bombmaker used an alias and Ahmad did not know he was wanted for the Bali and Marriott attacks.
Last week, the same court handed Irun Hidayat a 42-month jail term for assisting the bombers after failing to prove he helped plan and execute the attack.
The one-tonbomb ripped open the blast-proof fence at the front of the heavily fortified Australian mission and damaged the front of the main building.
> circumstances.
I think you are dead on here. The mitigating circumstance is that the perpetrator was american, and that's what all the fuss is about. Imagine what would happen had an Iraqi fought with, then drowned, an off-duty US soldier. Think he'd get 45 days in jail? He'd be lucky not to be tortured to death in a US prison.
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