Is the Bible the Word of God?

[Vallerina 2]

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There are mistakes within the copies & translations.

If there are known mistakes, isn't it possible that there are others which most take as fact?

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It also only affects an extremely small percentage of the entire text.

That I agree with. However, many people take the entire book literally when #1 there are obvious mistakes made in it and #2 there may be not so obvious mistakes in it.

Quoted from my friend:

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if they acknowledge that there may be human error in the bible, then they might have to figure out what's an error and what isn't, and that would require thought and reflection

I can understand people believing that it may be an interpretation of the word of God.

There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning

[Zenister 0]

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That's an interesting take on Daniel & Revelation.

Disclaimer: I'm quite sure you've studied this stuff a whole lot more than me. Just putting in my 2 cents.

its quite the load of drivel as well...and has been reapplied again and again each time it falls flat.. the doomsday prophets have been claiming 'end times' for the last 2000k years... dont hold your breath....

Daniel isnt 'prohecy' it is 'news stories'.. retold in allegoric terms so as not to get the writers killed..

a bit of historical research would have told you that.. but it doesnt have the same paraniod effects..

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[AlexCrowley 0]

If the date thing is part of your research you may also want to consider the following calendars:

Tibetan, Islam, ISO, Unix time, Hindi.

There really is no reason why BC/AD is most popular other than there were a lot of christian countries at the time we standardized in the west.

The chinese calendar is most popular and far older.

So it's kinda tough to see what your point about using the christian calendar as proof of anything.

On the subject of bibles. Can anyone suggest a more precise translation of the earliest source materials? I know that Genesis was recently reworked and proved to be interesting.

I guess my thought is that God would be smart enough for his message to survive multiple copies and translations. IMHO he managed exactly that. Jesus message doesnt get much simpler, we just chose to complicated it and add a bunch of filler around it.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[tso-d_chris 0]

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The Torah is a part of the King james, and covers the initial things from creation.

I failed to clarify the reason for my inquiry. The Kabbalistic interpretation of Genesis (specifically Creation) is significantly different from the Christian interpretation. I am curious as to why the newer version is given credibility, while the older, more traditional interpretations (which are far more similar to most other religions of the world) are given less credibility. As a long time student of religion, I am curious as to how this is justified.

[EricTheRed 0]

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ALL other gods are very much dead, and will be so forever..

Are you admiting that there were once other living gods?

illegible usually

[AlexCrowley 0]

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ALL other gods are very much dead, and will be so forever..

Are you admiting that there were once other living gods?

Jeff the God of Biscuits was never a real god. Nor was Simon, God of Hairdos.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[shropshire 0]

If god was so bright, he would have sent exactly the same message to ALL comunities on earth at exactly the same time, not to one insignifican desert wasteland at the far end of the Med'.

All the peoples of the world (not just the known world at that ancient time) would know that other peoples existed and lived by the same set of rules (which is essentially what the bible is)

Writting one acharic set of documents is such a stupid way to diseminate A One Truth to All, it just does not make logical sense.

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[AlexCrowley 0]

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Writting one acharic set of documents is such a stupid way to diseminate A One Truth to All, it just does not make logical sense.

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Neither does the platypus yet we insist on the validity of evolution

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[pajarito 0]

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I guess my thought is that God would be smart enough for his message to survive multiple copies and translations. IMHO he managed exactly that. Jesus message doesnt get much simpler, we just chose to complicated it and add a bunch of filler around it.

I agree.

He said, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind" and "Love your neighbor as yourself."
(Matt. 22:37_39)

He also said, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me." (John 14:6)

[chuteless 1]

Other gods (small G)??????

Sure there are lots of gods, but all of them except Almight God, Jehoval, are false gods.

There are gods in the shapes of shiny automobiles, airplanes, skydiving rigs, whatever you choose to make your own particular god, but all are false gods.They can neither think or talk or govern your thoughts, and in time they will be useless even in the things they were originally designed to do.

Jesus NEVER fails...the same yesterday, today and forever.

The only real God is Jehovah, who created this world and all the worlds before it, of which there have been millions. God is still the same God He was when He created them, and is the same forever more.

As for me having all the answers, I do not, but I do have a lot of them. I do spend many many hours a week searching the scriptures as Jesus Christ directed me to do, and yes, I dohave a lot of the answers, certainly more than those who fail to heed the advice of the Lord.

Those who accuse me of being such are those most likely not to have a personal relationship with God, which I sure do.

They are also those who, in their misdirected hearts deny the true God, because if they were to recognize and follow Him, they would have to make some drastic changes in their lives....which they are not prepared to do.

Jesus is very much alive....and always has been.

In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD. Christ isthe living WORD, and the King James Bible, that infallible work of God through men He chose to write it, is GOD'S WORD.

Bill Cole

[AlexCrowley 0]

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In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD. Christ isthe living WORD, and the King James Bible, that infallible work of God through men He chose to write it, is GOD'S WORD.

Bill Cole

Bill, a serious question for you again. If I say to you "The manual for my toyota tacoma is the absolute word of god' what would your response be?

BTW I dont worship my truck in any sense. I realize that my statement puts me in a very small minority (about the manual being the word of God). I guess I'm asking, what is the different between my truck manual and the Bible as far as being PROVABLY the absolute word of God?

In addition, dont you think the Greeks and Hebrews might have felt that since they got their first that their version of the Bible might be a little closer to the absolute word than the KJV? I just feel that you've made a statement regarding the KJV, and I asked a lot of questions earlier and you didnt really respond to them, merely said that you've also used Strongs.

I'd like to hear your thoughts rather than quotations from the book that is currently under discussion, as self-referential arguments hold no validity for me, especially when dealing with matters of faith - quoting scripture, rightly or wrongly, says to me that a man has no true faith of his own, only an ability to parrot stuff learnt by rote, about the same way as I feel with Google-monkeys.

Again, I'm not asking to troll, Im asking because I wish to understand, as Parajito's response comes across to me as 'rational' whereas your response, because it's self referential, comes across as 'irrational'. I do not believe that any God would say 'thats how it is, like it or get out', and my reading of the Bible would seem to directly contradict the 'you need to make a huge leap of faith to believe' which you imply with the content of your posts.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[tso-d_chris 0]

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all of them except Almight God, Jehoval, are false gods.

Do you mean YHVH? The word Jehovah was inaccurately derived from those four letters. Even YHVH is innacurate, as the vowels were not written down, nor was it acceptable to speak the actual Name of God (with one annual exception for a single Rabbi).

There are many names for the same entity in Judaism.

For example, Rastafari tend to prefer the name Jah, which refers to exactly the same entity, and is also used in Kabbalah.

[AlexCrowley 0]

I was wondering about the 72 3 letter names of God earlier too.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[EricTheRed 0]

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Neither does the platypus yet we insist on the validity of evolution

The playtpus is just one example of how evolution can result in different ways of dealing with a set of conditions in isolated areas.

Panda bear thumbs are another.
http://www.athro.com/evo/pthumb.html
Surely this wasn't an Inteligent Design
Any god dumb enough to give two thumbs to a mammal isn't worth worshiping in my book

illegible usually

[airdweller 0]

YES.....The King James version of God's WORD IS the definitive WORD of God from the first word in Genesis to the last word in Revelation. ALL others versions are perversions....

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I love it. A book commissioned by a known killer is the only definitive word of God.

Thanks for the laugh.

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[chuteless 1]

Your ridiculous statement is evident that you havent read it much.

Bill Cole
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[airdweller 0]

Who ordered the execution of Guy Fawkes

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[GTAVercetti 0]

This thread is frickin awesome.

OF COURSE the true version of the bible would be in ENGLISH. Duh. Everyone knows english is the true language of God. geez. That's why they had such a hard time understanding Him back in the old days. What with god speaking English and everyone speaking Hebrew or Aramaic and such.

And that is why it took so long to get it right. They needed all those years to translate to the CORRECT language.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[beowulf 1]

The King James was first published in London England, (the center of the world) in 1611.



How is it that London was the center of the world in 1611?

I am sure that people in China at that time would have disagreed as would people everywhere else.

[pajarito 0]

I just don't see much difference within verses of different translations. Especially, anything important that would alter the message. I know some would disagree but I think the KJV is as good as the NIV is as good as the ASV, etc. I say whatever tool works for you, use it. Otherwise, get another tool. But use the tool. Know what I mean?...

[sfzombie13 324]

MY god is the one true god and all others are false. and ya know what's funny? i'm not telling any of you who she is! but don't worry, you're not gonna burn in hell. it ain't like that. according to my god, hell is pretty nice weather wise. the worst part is all the things that are missing, nice rigs but no planes, tropical weather but no ac, lots of beer that won't get ya drunk, etc....
it is people who think like you that are the best argument in favor of the 2d ammendment. not so much as keeping religion out of our lives like some people claim, but not making any laws favoring any one religion over another. the only thing that you have which ties your beliefs to reality is your faith. and yes, all the other people who believe like you really can be wrong and have been proven wrong many times in the past 2k years.
i am not trying to offend you, merely making a point. if i did, i apologize, i realize some people get offended easily over religious discussions.

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[Zenister 0]

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Your ridiculous statement is evident that you havent read it much.

and several of your ludicrous statements on the nature of the Bible give clear evidence, that, while you may have researched a great deal, you did so only inside the context of your predisposition to Believe and so have not gained very much actual knowledge of the text itself, of religion in general, or of Divinity at all...

faith is a frightening form of 'reasoning'

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[pajarito 0]

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Google-monkey

I wonder if that name is taken as a "Skymonkey" name. Cool!

[GTAVercetti 0]

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I just don't see much difference within verses of different translations. Especially, anything important that would alter the message. I know some would disagree but I think the KJV is as good as the NIV is as good as the ASV, etc. I say whatever tool works for you, use it. Otherwise, get another tool. But use the tool. Know what I mean?...

But there ARE subtle differences between translations that have "ripple" effects. One interesting proposition can be found here:

http://www.truluck.com/html/the_bible_and_homosexuality.html

It deals greatly with the meaning of words in the greek and Hebrew and how they were altered upon translation. I do not know if it is ENTIRELY correct, but it makes some compelling points about a translator's influence on their work.

When one complex language is used to translate a text into another, choices made by the translators can often have drastic OR subtle effects.

Yes, the underlying message of Jesus -- do good, be good to others, and live in peace, are easy enough to determine -- but unfortunately, those with too much religious zeal insist that EVERY WORD has been translated correctly...this would be impossible for any work, let alone one so old and translated into so many languages

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[pajarito 0]

Interesting. I'll check it out later. I'm out-of-town right now and will be on the road for a while. Thanks. Later,

Jay