I wish the price of gas in the US would DOUBLE overnight

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Or heavily invest in public transportation which is a HUGE NO NO because that would be socialist or liberal or some bullshit about taxes increasing.

Denver USA, where I live, is investing billions in public transportation.

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Frowned upon by whom? The less successful?

The more polite.

Boasting is a pretty negative word; not a lot of people I know think it's a good thing.

Wendy W.

Ever been in a room full of self-made multi-millionaires?

Yes, at our Board of Trustees meetings. Several billionaires too. Very low key guys for the most part.

Kallend, come on. You know I'm not talking about a Business Meeting. I'm talking about a "Gentlemans Club". You know Cigars, Brandy and Bullshitting!! Not the stuffed shirt crap most people who have no experience think goes on.

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>Ever been in a room full of self-made multi-millionaires?

I have, but in a room full of mature self-made multi-millionaires it's not obvious that you are among rich people.

Yeah, I spend a lot of time around both business folk and family and dont consider either environment to be obnoxious.

I do know some people who *think* they're wealthy and brag obnoxiously about status, but the ones with real money are ones you rarely ever hear talk about it because they're comfortable with their success.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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I might be a little off topic, so please forgive me, but I might agree the cost should increase, but not for the reasons Newbie originally stated.

Necessity is the mother of invention. WHile there has been some interest in more eco-friendly transportation, that interest has been there many years yet is really has not produced any 'great' alternatives(I am not an expert by any means, so I apologize if this is incorrect). While it is going to be the people who live check to check or lower on the income 'totem pole' who bear the brunt of the price increase, the sooner the general opinion switches away from gas and demands other equally efficient options the sooner they will be produced and the sooner they will be available used at a cheaper rate so the lower income could afford it.

It absolutely pains me to keep using electricity and natural gas for heat and such when I have a prime location for solar power. The problem is, out here, there is very little info on systems and good luck buying one locally or finding someone to install them. There is enough land here to set up a 'solar power plant' thing the energy companies are a bit interested-no sirree. The point is conscientious consumers looking for renewable energy sources might as well do that full time and have a very high tolerance level for frustration, especially here where the demand is so low.

I do seem to remember a HUGE fit when the oil was placed in reserve.....guess someone somewhere did have a good foresight afterall.

Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...

[billvon 3,033]

>It absolutely pains me to keep using electricity and natural gas for heat
> and such when I have a prime location for solar power. The problem is,
>out here, there is very little info on systems and good luck buying one
>locally or finding someone to install them.

If you pay the shipping, I'll send you a small solar power system. It's only 100-200 watts (around a kwhr a day) but it would be a start. Really easy to install, too - just point it at the sun and plug it in.

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Frowned upon by whom? The less successful?

The more polite.

Boasting is a pretty negative word; not a lot of people I know think it's a good thing.

Wendy W.

Ever been in a room full of self-made multi-millionaires?

Yes, at our Board of Trustees meetings. Several billionaires too. Very low key guys for the most part.

Kallend, come on. You know I'm not talking about a Business Meeting. I'm talking about a "Gentlemans Club". You know Cigars, Brandy and Bullshitting!! Not the stuffed shirt crap most people who have no experience think goes on.

Well, the billionaire I know best is so low key that you'd think he was a clerk. Drives a Taurus.

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[billvon 3,033]

>You know I'm not talking about a Business Meeting. I'm talking about a "Gentlemans Club".

I'm actually thinking of a bunch of multimillionaires at a microbrewery, specifically one that has a very good pale. Most of the conversation revolves around women, cellphones, interoffice gossip, work, and how drunk Dao is.

We do have a 'gentleman's club' here too. The girls will do lap dances for $20.

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>You know I'm not talking about a Business Meeting. I'm talking about a "Gentlemans Club".

I'm actually thinking of a bunch of multimillionaires at a microbrewery, specifically one that has a very good pale. Most of the conversation revolves around women, cellphones, interoffice gossip, work, and how drunk Dao is.

We do have a 'gentleman's club' here too. The girls will do lap dances for $20.

Sorry, I keep forgetting about the "Kalifornia Lifestyle" that would explain it. We have a couple of places around here like the Commonwealth Club. Great group of folks mainly Real Estate Developers, Lawyers, Business people. No Engineers, Dentists, Podiatrists etc..

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>You know I'm not talking about a Business Meeting. I'm talking about a "Gentlemans Club".

I'm actually thinking of a bunch of multimillionaires at a microbrewery, specifically one that has a very good pale. Most of the conversation revolves around women, cellphones, interoffice gossip, work, and how drunk Dao is.

We do have a 'gentleman's club' here too. The girls will do lap dances for $20.

Sorry, I keep forgetting about the "Kalifornia Lifestyle" that would explain it. We have a couple of places around here like the Commonwealth Club. Great group of folks mainly Real Estate Developers, Lawyers, Business people. No Engineers, Dentists, Podiatrists etc..

Keeping the riff-raff out, eh?

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>Sorry, I keep forgetting about the "Kalifornia Lifestyle" that would
> explain it. We have a couple of places around here like the
> Commonwealth Club. Great group of folks mainly Real Estate
> Developers, Lawyers, Business people. No Engineers, Dentists,
> Podiatrists etc..

Yeah, we go more for engineers, doctors, low level programmers, biotech researchers, that sort of thing. People who work in the real world, and who (generally) started out without a lot of money. There's a lot more talk about surfing than about how much money Buffy spent on her tennis coach. But I'm sure even out here you could find clubs fancy enough for any desired level of exclusion.

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Anyone not living in the US know what i mean? You guys have had it too good for too long.

The "good" you speak of did not appear out of nowhere. It was created by the hard work of countless individual Americans.

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Then, instead of everyone getting their knickers in a twist over a 40 or 50 cent rise overnight, by doubling them you would be somewhat close to what we are paying here. It would also destroy less of the environment which we ALL rely on to sustain life, not place so much reliance on the role and power that major oil producing countries have in our lives, and benefit the general health of the populace by forcing them to walk or take some other mode of transportation.

Anyone not living in the US know what i mean? You guys have had it too good for too long.

I got to thinking about this post again. This time my thoughts turned to some posts that would most likely get me kicked off

Then, after a little more thought I started feeling sorry for you

I hope you spend all your time worring about what everyone else has that you don't. That is a sad way to spend ones life. But then I realized that this is a common lefty way of creating division

I will pray that someday you grow up and worry more about what is really important instead of what others have that you don't.

And, if you get your wish, and the price of gas doubles overnight. This great country of ours will, with createtivity and determination, find another way to stay great............and then you will have something else to worry about

I will pray for you my friend..........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Do you use anything other than financial security and wealth to measure how good you have things?

Absolutely. Take a look at this post from abotu 3 weeks ago. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1773183#1773183

Note that I spent about two sentences discussing my business and finances. Note that above all, I've discussed how great life is because of my son and my wife. Here's a quote - "And all I want to do on my time off is be a great father and husband." I believe I also mentioned in an earlier reply to you that I've got the greatest wife ever, which means you can never have it "as good as me." Neither can anybody else.

The measure of my success is my wife and my son. I have the quality of life that will allow me to take off from work in one hour and got get my son so I can start our weekend of fun and excitement.

My quality of life is no longer measured in jumps, humps and beer. I haven't jumped in over two years because there are so many other things that I'd rather do. Perhaps it's because I don't want my son growing up the way I did - a latchkey kid in public housing with severe ADHD and a drunk father.

I don't think there's anyone who reads my posts regularly that doubts that my son is the most important thing in my life.

Quality of life is measured by contentment. Oh, yeah, I've got that! In another 5 years I will have paid off all my student/business debt. Can you believe that things are actually looking to improve? In another year I'm gonna take him to his first Raider game. Maybe I'll even let him stab someone!

Thanks man, i think i misjudged you somewhat and i apologise if i was off hand in any of my posts. The original post i put up was really only half serious too. As i stated in some of my other posts in this thread, i know that by producing a huge surge in gas there would cause widespread and damaging problems and i don't wish that on anyone. I also know the poor would suffer greatly because of their inability to react readily to a mass surge in price.

Anyhoo, this has been a good thread for me, and taught me some things. I read that post you linked and it was really nice man. I'm like you - almost 30, living with the best wife in the world () and with both of us working more than full time jobs, it's still impossible for us to get a foot on the property ladder here in London, so i feel your excitement about being able to get your new place - i just wish i was able to do the same thing.

PS I SERIOUSLY WISH THE PRICE OF CHEESE IN THE U.S. WOULD TRIPLE OVERNIGHT!! DO YOU GUYS NOT REALISE HOW CHEAP YOUR MOZZARELLA IS THERE?!?!?!

LOL j/k folks

"Skydiving is a door"
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>It absolutely pains me to keep using electricity and natural gas for heat
> and such when I have a prime location for solar power. The problem is,
>out here, there is very little info on systems and good luck buying one
>locally or finding someone to install them.

If you pay the shipping, I'll send you a small solar power system. It's only 100-200 watts (around a kwhr a day) but it would be a start. Really easy to install, too - just point it at the sun and plug it in.

How much electricity can be produced from that? Like can it power a fridge constantly etc?

"Skydiving is a door"
Happythoughts

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Then, instead of everyone getting their knickers in a twist over a 40 or 50 cent rise overnight, by doubling them you would be somewhat close to what we are paying here. It would also destroy less of the environment which we ALL rely on to sustain life, not place so much reliance on the role and power that major oil producing countries have in our lives, and benefit the general health of the populace by forcing them to walk or take some other mode of transportation.

Anyone not living in the US know what i mean? You guys have had it too good for too long.

I got to thinking about this post again. This time my thoughts turned to some posts that would most likely get me kicked off

Then, after a little more thought I started feeling sorry for you

I hope you spend all your time worring about what everyone else has that you don't. That is a sad way to spend ones life. But then I realized that this is a common lefty way of creating division

I will pray that someday you grow up and worry more about what is really important instead of what others have that you don't.

And, if you get your wish, and the price of gas doubles overnight. This great country of ours will, with createtivity and determination, find another way to stay great............and then you will have something else to worry about

I will pray for you my friend..........

LOL! Man i didn't think starting such an inflammatory thread would lead to someone praying for me! Just so you don't spend too much time at the altar/bedside, the initial post as i summed up to lawrocket above, was not really serious. I do think you guys pay too much, would like to see the price go up, gradually, so people can adjust.

However, the reasons for this are not because "you have it good and i don't" as people seem to be claiming. I just think large scale consumption of a precious and polluting material should come with a price that's fitting to it. Either that or LOWER gas prices in the US and just stop people driving cars that do any less than at least 25 mpg.

Of course that won't happen, but merely illustrates that i don't care about how cheap it is there, it's really more about the fact that the consumption of it needs to be something more precious than my experience has lead me to believe exists for a large part.

"Skydiving is a door"
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Yeah thats pretty common. In the UK it's so passe to try and achieve anything, success is frowned upon as being so uncouth.

I disagree with you. Success isn't frowned upon but boasting about how successful you are is frowned upon.

Frowned upon by whom? The less successful?

Everyone. Shout too loud about how great you are and you'll soon lose friends. Everyone likes success however, there is a difference.

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Doesn't work that way - the midwest is America's "Bread Basket". Stores do buy local produce, yes.. but the bulk of the food comes from mid-America.

Cripple the transport truck system and you starve the country.

How about increasing the price of gas but allowing a rebate for companies? That way the price of your goods doesn't have to increase.

It's a big country. What you are suggesting is ridiculous. Ever wonder why we export so much food?

I'm sorry but I don't see your point..... It's a huge country yes, but that doesn't prevent you from growing produce and buying and selling it locally. You can still export your goods too..... by the way I didn't propose increasing transport costs for food either..... what were you trying to say i your reply?

Not so long ago we didn't import many of the products we have on the shelves today, much of the fresh fruit and veg was seasonal and we had to manage without certain items but you can get whatever you want whenever you want now..... nothing wrong with that at all ....but is there an environmental price to pay?

I'm not saying we should only buy local produce but what sense is there in transporting goods half way around the world when we can grow them "locally"? I can buy orange juice from California or from Spain .....(I'm in the UK)..... doesn't it make sense to buy the "local" produce? Local produce has travelled less to get to me and therefore is less harmful to the environment, it suports my "local" community and is fresher... Perhaps we should rethink our agriculture and transport policies....

Next time you eat a meal look at the country of origin (or if in the states then the state of origin) and total the number of miles your meal has had to travel to get onto your plate. I think you'd be surprised....... 25 thousand miles or so?

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What do you think is going to happen to "those poor people" when the transport trucks - you know, the ones that bring the bread and milk to the stores? - can't run because the companies can't afford to buy fuel for them?

buy local produce and you won't have to pay too much for transportation of the goods!

Oh, great idea. Now, what grows locally in northern Illinois in January? Icicles, snowmen, piles of roadsalt...

ice and salt....... use that to store your local meat and veg during the winter then!

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I preach that you improve your lot in life by destroying others. If I'min the gutter, bringing other people down there with me still puts me in the gutter. In its essence, that's what you argue. I think it leads to overcrowding of gutters.

What a great and true statement. Go get 'em rocket

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What do you think is going to happen to "those poor people" when the transport trucks - you know, the ones that bring the bread and milk to the stores? - can't run because the companies can't afford to buy fuel for them?

buy local produce and you won't have to pay too much for transportation of the goods!

Oh, great idea. Now, what grows locally in northern Illinois in January? Icicles, snowmen, piles of roadsalt...

ice and salt....... use that to store your local meat and veg during the winter then!

I was mistaken, the salt comes in from Texas and Louisiana. We don't have local salt.

Our local produce is corn and soybeans. I think we'd be pretty tired of frozen corn and soybeans by the time May rolled around.

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[billvon 3,033]

>but I bet my chances of survival from a side impact are better than
>the family in a Yugo, Kia, Saturn, Honda Civic....

You? Perhaps. Your family? No.

Study: Children No Safer in SUVs
By Jan Dennis
AP
01/03/06 7:51 AM PT

Children are no safer riding in sport utility vehicles than in passenger cars, largely because the doubled risk of rollovers in SUVs cancels out the safety advantages of their greater size and weight, according to a study.

Researchers said the findings dispel the bigger-equals-safer myth that has helped fuel the growing popularity of SUVs among families. SUV registrations climbed 250 percent in the United States between 1995 and 2002.

Challenging Beliefs

"We're not saying they're worse or that they're terrible vehicles. We're challenging the conventional wisdom that everyone assumed they were better," said Dr. Dennis Durbin, a pediatric emergency physician who took part in the study, published today in the journal Pediatrics.

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I think we went over that at the time

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[billvon 3,033]

> I think we went over that at the time

Yep. But now there's a pretty credible study on the issue.

[AlexCrowley 0]

so you're saying I'm not credible?

I will be PMing a moderator immediately about your personally attacking me.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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