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>Your reality is the mechanism used to justify denying basic aid to
> men, women and children in time of crisis.

Still not sure which reality you're talking about. No one is denying basic aid to people in time of crisis. It took them almost a week to stop tripping over their own feet, but the supplies are now getting there. The problem was not that anyone wanted to deny anyone anything, the problem was just taking too long to react.

>Shame on your 'reality' and shame on those who turn their backs
>on people in desperate need.

Again, you seem to be talking about a reality that doesn't exist.



Awww Bill, quit playing to your audience for once. This thread is filled with intolerance, hatred exaggerated fears and NIMBY's who would not allow these desperate individuals in their city if it were up to them. I heard the same shit as a child living near the Orange Bowl after the Muriel Boat Lift.

Then, many citizens were ranting about rapes, murders, and the safety of their persons and property. Stories were greatly exaggerated or outright bullshit. Such is the nature of a segment of mankind during crisis.

Many more pulled together to help a large group of overwhelmingly good people get back on their feet. As individuals, a community and a nation, we were enriched by the situation.

Houston will survive and with the help of it's good citizens lending a hand to people in need, will also be a better place for it.

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No-one has come close to saying any of your bullshit..You took a statement and ran with it looks like you are still running i will ask you again WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR THESE PEOPLE???? I have told you what i am doing so before you start throwing the race card at me look within
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I personally think you read WAY too much into everything and totally ran with it on your own. This has nothing to do with not wanting the citizens of NO in Houston. It has to do with the respect, or lack of, that many have shown. My mom is currently in the middle of making 'baggies' of goods with tooth paste, a tooth brush, 'female items', qtips, floss, etc etc etc with things she went out and purchased with her OWN money to send to a church that is now housing refugees. I have done similar already. This has NOTHING to do with not wanting them here, but it does have to do with the safety of Houstonians being at risk because of the behavior of some. (Not to mention other cities that are dealing with the same issues - Do what you can to stay safe, Brad). We are helping and doing all we can. Now...go play your lets 'chunk racist remarks game somewhere else, cause no one here is playing along.
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Your reality is the mechanism used to justify denying basic aid to men, women and children in time of crisis. Your reality is the umbrella that offers shelter to those who hate, fear and turn away when thousands of American citizens are in desperate need of food, water, clothes and a roof over their heads. You can huddle with others of your kind, for I want no part of it.



bwaaaaahahahahaha! sure you know me. nice little guilt trip attempt though; man, you are out there. you can keep smoking the glass pipe with your kind.:D:S

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Shame on your 'reality' and shame on those who turn their backs on people in desperate need.



blah, blah, blah...drama queen material.
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Your reality is the mechanism used to justify denying basic aid to men, women and children in time of crisis. Your reality is the umbrella that offers shelter to those who hate, fear and turn away when thousands of American citizens are in desperate need of food, water, clothes and a roof over their heads. You can huddle with others of your kind, for I want no part of it.



bwaaaaahahahahaha! sure you know me. nice little guilt trip attempt though; man, you are out there. you can keep smoking the glass pipe with your kind.:D:S

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Shame on your 'reality' and shame on those who turn their backs on people in desperate need.



blah, blah, blah...drama queen material.



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My mom is currently in the middle of making 'baggies' of goods with tooth paste, a tooth brush, 'female items', qtips, floss, etc etc etc with things she went out and purchased with her OWN money to send to a church that is now housing refugees. I have done similar already.



I havent had time to do anything besides donate some cases of water. I worked a couple 18-20 hour shifts due to the bad smashers on the ramp doing stupid stuff from breaking doors to running a tug in one of the planes. They never do this shit when it's slow and were bored.


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Do what you can to stay safe, Brad).



Like I said before saftey is my middle name.

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Now...go play your lets 'chunk racist remarks game somewhere else, cause no one here is playing along.



Whew, I was starting to think I was an incesitive prick! Glad I'm not the only one who thinks alike.
If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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This thread is filled with intolerance, hatred exaggerated fears and NIMBY's who would not allow these desperate individuals in their city if it were up to them. I heard the same shit as a child living near the Orange Bowl after the Muriel Boat Lift.

Then, many citizens were ranting about rapes, murders, and the safety of their persons and property. Stories were greatly exaggerated or outright bullshit. Such is the nature of a segment of mankind during crisis.

Many more pulled together to help a large group of overwhelmingly good people get back on their feet. As individuals, a community and a nation, we were enriched by the situation.

Houston will survive and with the help of it's good citizens lending a hand to people in need, will also be a better place for it.

jen



jenfly00, put the crack pipe down. I often disagree with many of your posts in SC, but I also respect you as an intelligent person. In this thread, though, you're way out in left field.

Where the hell is the NIMBY ("not in MY backyard!!!") sentiment in this thread? I don't see it. Unlike you, I live in Houston and I can tell you what I see from the street level.

Houston is welcoming these folks from Louisiana with open arms and no questions asked. We're doing what we can both as a city and at an individual level.

You are right that Houston will survive but as for being a better place for it, let me say this. It was already a great place before Katrina. What we are doing for the people who need help only proves it.

Tell ya' what. If you want to come to Houston to see what's going on for yourself, I'll pick you up at the airport, give you a place to stay, and I'll give you the grand tour. I'll take you over to the Astrodome, to the local hotels, or any other place you want to go to talk with the people who are here from Louisiana and hear what they have to say first hand.

My guess is that the overwhelming majority will tell you that they've been treated like family.

Walt

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Ohh, I get it now....he is denying their basic needs of listening to his radio. How dare you, with all they have been through:P



Hi

Lets try this.

Go to a designated P.U. point with a all the supplies you could carry and wait for the Gov't to Pick you up.

Go without food, water, sleep, in 91 degree heat, no bathroom, no security, no communication for 4 days with no end in sight and let us know how you feel.

What would you be willing to do to get a glass of water to keep one of your loved ones alive for another day?

R.I.P.

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Sorry, got to trump you on this one....through the wonders of natural selection and evolution.....I would have avoided having to put myself in that situation...tragedy averted. ;)

I spent a good portion of my life in tornado alley and wilmington, NC. Cat4-5, 300miles wide, my ass woulda been hoofin it long before it hit land and laid waste to the area if I had to. Penniless or not. Before anyone jumps on this, I sit about 200 miles off the coast of NC in a very rural area in a very rickety-at-best house, I recently lost my job and barely pay my bills, but will do what it takes to evac if necessary. If youre gonna be stupid you better be tough, but if your tough you dont have to be stupid!

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I was here for Fran. I lived 10 days in a small apartment without electric, running water, city services, flooding, etc. without FEMA anywhere in site. Pleasant, um NO. Inhuman, NO...I was prepared. FEMA arrived in LA much quicker than they even arrived in NC.
Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...


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Having lived in hurricane ally most of my life, I can feel the anguish the "home" people are going through, both homes.

It is difficult having your lifestyle up ended by no fault of your own, having your city, town or state inundated by displaced recipients of natures wrath, who at best (and generally) only want to survive, and at worst offer more of the bad element existing beforehand.

Should all the gas stop to flow, all the food stores close, all health centers and security as we know it cease to exist ... how would YOU survive. but...but...but, that can't happen in America can it!

Only the fittest survive. Does this mean a return to the "Wild West", where the fastest gun gets the last say? That said, I have guns, threaten my or my family's life, fastest gun will win. Threatning my cars stereo doesn't qualify.

20/20 hindsight is a great advantage, we can soap box our personal points of view, offer up many suggestions, some constructive, others destructive.
Some, destructive to the point that if those words are embraced by the majority, those opinions will etch a different idiom on the fabric of life we clearly cling to. In those carefully chosen destructive words, the foundation that took 200 years to erect, in an instant becomes obsolete. Fact is, even 20/20 hindsight is arguable, history is written by those who win, and argued about by those who survived.

Hurricane Andrew took a large chunk of south Florida's homes and reduced them to rubble. I press the issue of "luck" when I say we were lucky. We were lucky water wasn't the major killer part of Andrew, or the aftermath, unlike New Orleans, as reports say is 80% under water.

FEMA, the cure all governmental agency responding to any disaster, a hindsight brought upon us by ... uhh guess what?

It took FEMA two weeks to arrive in sofl, even then it was ill equipped to handle the demand. If there were any command center handling logistics, certainly it wasn't apparent. I would like to think they learned from the sofl experience, and they did to a point. The next time they were called upon to administer the power they reign, they by-passed many of the major areas hit (central Fla) and dolled out some 30+ million dollars to Miami residents who by most reports (and fact) weren't hit by so much as a fish fart. A few of those people are now wearing fashionable Martha Stewart ankle braclets.

The aftermath of Andrew was pure hell, at least for some looters (those after tv's and other non eatables)
Damn! they actually got shot AT! Guns are good, in the hands of the good.

My neighborhood was without power for 5 days after Andrew visited, we were some lucky people. I have great neighbors, we joined together and had cook outs, shared what we had, told stories, and more than once told ourselves how damn lucky we were to be in Ft. Lauderdale, when just less than 24 hours before, hurricane Andrew was supposed to pay us a visit. Perhaps we weren't worthy, Andrew turned left. I wish this had hapened in this case.

Tent cities begin to appear in Miami and Homestead, food, water and medical attention was available, every agency you can name was down here doing what they do best, lending a helping hand where needed. Security was present, curfew was strictly enforced, two weeks AFTER.

But we weren't under water.

One can say "we knew that was going to happen one day", complain that something should have been done earlier knowing the possible consequences and that is quite right. This doesn't change what is though.

I found it quite interesting that government officials said they were staged, poised and ready to administer aid to the devastated areas yet were unable to move quickly due to the roads and that other avenues of approach were unsafe, or impassable with available equipment. This minor issue has never stopped the Red Cross. I have to approve of the governments ambition to rescue those that were still stuck on roof tops and inside buildings. I disapprove of the time it is taking to help those that were already safe and need the basics of life.

As skydivers we understand risk (or should), we will help even when one of us take the risk to far.

You can say as that German Chancellor did, "they got what they deserved, they knew this would happen," and refuse to help [later recanted]. That will make you a better skydiver, and certainly it will make you a better person.

Complain all you want, but ...
Cough up the price of one jump ticket, help.


** This is my own personal rant, not directed at any particular post**

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Hi NtheSeaOrSky

Back at you, what would you do with your three kids, momma and grandmom & great grandmom.

Hoof it out together,

Go by yourself for help

Go to the closest Gov't provided facility because help is on the way.

I'm not playing the blame game on anyone who "couldn't" get out. Thats FEMA's challenge.

The ones who could get out and didn't:S know they screwed up not the gov't.

R.I.P.

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If you don't have a car, how do you evacuate? You keep looking for someone, but, well, they're all full, or they already left.


Something I've been wondering about is all the able bodied people on TV standing still on the streets, milling about or sitting on their porches passively waiting to be rescued. Queuing endlessly for insufficient resources.

In other disasters I've seen on TV, it seems like more people *walked* until they found refuge.
My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski?

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I did not play the blame game with anyone, just simply pointed out what I would do in my situation-hence alleviating being in a position to steal stereos.

If you must know, here is what is coming with me:
Grandma-still lives in wilmington
Me
2 horses (Arabians)
2 dogs (border collie and cattle dog)
2 barn cats
supplies and meds for humans and animals alike
two handguns(22 and 457, aka 'stop em' and 'drop em')

You think housing for your crew is tough....

I learned a lot in my short life and I have plans for all my crew in whichever direction I must go. Don't think gas won't be expensive in an old chevy dually with gooseneck in tow, either!
Life is not fair and there are no guarantees...


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In other disasters I've seen on TV, it seems like more people *walked* until they found refuge.



My friends brother tried to but the police made him turn around and wouldnt cross the bridge. Who thought of that is a smart one. They wont let them leave.
If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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They wont let them leave.



So umm, the town is blockaded? Seems like that ought to be a news item unto itself...I thought they ordered it evacuated, not blockaded.

Keep in mind I know next to nothing about the roads & ways out of the city...
My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski?

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enfly00, put the crack pipe down. I often disagree with many of your posts in SC, but I also respect you as an intelligent person. In this thread, though, you're way out in left field.

Where the hell is the NIMBY ("not in MY backyard!!!") sentiment in this thread? I don't see it. Unlike you, I live in Houston and I can tell you what I see from the street level.

Houston is welcoming these folks from Louisiana with open arms and no questions asked. We're doing what we can both as a city and at an individual level.

You are right that Houston will survive but as for being a better place for it, let me say this. It was already a great place before Katrina. What we are doing for the people who need help only proves it.

Tell ya' what. If you want to come to Houston to see what's going on for yourself, I'll pick you up at the airport, give you a place to stay, and I'll give you the grand tour. I'll take you over to the Astrodome, to the local hotels, or any other place you want to go to talk with the people who are here from Louisiana and hear what they have to say first hand.

My guess is that the overwhelming majority will tell you that they've been treated like family.

Walt



Walt,

I am most delighted to hear that, as a whole, the good people of Houston are ...well, good people.

One of the things learned in Miami, in 1980, is that amidst loud calls of hatred, racism, fear and distrust, good people were united to help those in need. I know the same is happening in Houston.

My best to you and those working to make the world a better place.

jen
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I am most delighted to hear that, as a whole, the good people of Houston are ...well, good people.

One of the things learned in Miami, in 1980, is that amidst loud calls of hatred, racism, fear and distrust, good people were united to help those in need. I know the same is happening in Houston.

My best to you and those working to make the world a better place.

jen



I'm glad you're glad. At the same time, I don't disagree with Amanduh's post. What she has brought up is indeed part of the reality of the situation, and I don't think she deserves the ration of shit thrown her way.

Watch Greta van Susteren's reports on the Fox News Channel--even she is giving glowing reviews of Houston's hospitality.

I would never recommend watching CNN, but they too are giving the thumbs up to Houston.

Any cries of racism are, IMO, bullshit--just like 99.99% percent of all the cries of racism that we are bombarded with by the media.

As for reports of increased crime around the Astrodome area--that may well be true, I don't know. I do know that in general, that's not the kind of area that I would want to be walking around at night anyway. It's not far from some really nice areas, but the areas right around the Astrodome are a bit rough-looking.

There are things to dislike about Houston--it's hot and humid in the summer and the mosquitoes can really be bad and the air pollution is far worse than it should be and it's a rough place if you have a lot of allergies (especially to mold spores), but the people are really friendly and there's plenty to see and do.

I think you'll be hearing a lot of rave reviews from the storm victims who have ended up here.

If you ever feel like a visit, let me know.

Walt

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Just try to see this: If you had these irate refugees coming into your town, you would be scared as well. The longer they are stuck in NO, the more upset they are becoming, and when they get here...do you think that is automatically going to go away? NO.

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It would be ok if they were "white" refugees huh ?

Dammit....these people are AMERICANS !!!!!

These people have sons and daughters fighting in Iraq !
Once again.....these are OUR people.....poor, without education...but still OURS !
You need to pull your head out into the light and stop being spoiled. This is a disaster of the like the USA has never experienced....we are all going to have to suck it up before this is over.

bozo

no, these aren't sons and daughters fighting in iraq. these people are shooting at our own.
it's not a race thing, so please don’t make it into one. This is about the way some are acting out. i would think something like this would bring a city together... you know, help each other out? but they're doing the exact opposite!

>> This is a disaster of the like the USA has never experienced.
No, that was 9-11. this was a cat 5 hurricane. Mother nature is mean, but at least they knew what was coming, which is why most (my family included) evacuated. Check out www.1900storm.com --that was over a century ago pre-weatherman... when evacuating wasn’t as easy. But I agree, it’s probably the worst natural disaster the u.s. has experienced.
amanda has a good reason to be concerned... or in my case, annoyed. the networks spill all the dirt on these people, then ends every interview with "and now we're sending them to..." --http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,16473513%255E954,00.html -oh, and check their ages>:(
it's really hard to welcome people like that with open arms. "bustin caps" at cops b/c their cranky??? explain that please.
i really can't make sense of any of it... i wish their was a way to only help the ones who really need it. i've heard so many heartbreaking stories... it's hard to believe we're keeping good families with the assholes. but like others mentioned, what's the alternative? there isn't one.
i didn't lose my mind, i sold it on ebay. .:need a container to fit 5'4", 110 lb. cypres ready & able to fit a 170 main (or slightly smaller):.[/ce

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I am most delighted to hear that, as a whole, the good people of Houston are ...well, good people.

One of the things learned in Miami, in 1980, is that amidst loud calls of hatred, racism, fear and distrust, good people were united to help those in need. I know the same is happening in Houston.

My best to you and those working to make the world a better place.

jen



I'm glad you're glad. At the same time, I don't disagree with Amanduh's post. What she has brought up is indeed part of the reality of the situation, and I don't think she deserves the ration of shit thrown her way.



You're right, of course (about my reaction, not necessarily about what the reality of the situation is). While it surely seemed that I was attacking Amanduh ( I would have read it as such), my reaction was to the situation. Childhood memories of neighbors walking around our neighborhood with guns, aggressively challenging (sometimes with guns drawn) any remotely Latin looking individual in our mixed residential/small businesses neighborhood.

People sharing news of shootouts with police, a woman raped in her home (we weren't sure exactly who it was or whether she was still alive), children beaten and robbed. Reports were on the nightly news. Interviews with eye witnesses confirmed the stories. The worst was the fact that the boat people were stealing babies because refugees with young children got preferential treatment. As events escalated, the conflicts grew in number and intensity. As a reaction, police were on full alert with conspicuous displays of firepower. Same for the National Guard. Innocent people were forced to the ground at gunpoint. I was eight years old and I lived in terror that I would be beaten and robbed by these people.

Problem was, aside from few, isolated incidents born of frustration, anger and poor communication, nothing much actually happened. The unfounded panic of a community turned good, rational people into fearful (and vengeful) beasts. Some resentments, cemented in those days of hatred and fear, remain in some form 25 years later.

Peace and healing,

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