Alcohol destroys families and drunk people suck

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I think alcohol and drugs brings people face to face with their inner self

Hmm... Given my taste for Jack Daniels, I must really enjoy hanging out with my inner self.

[Everon 0]

He's not saying it's better, he's saying it would do less harm to others (assuming, of course, the user is not destroying his family) - this is his point.

[Rookie120 0]

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But like I said, it does less harm to _others_

Why? because you cannot bitch about second hand coke dust?

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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But like I said, it does less harm to _others_

Why? because you cannot bitch about second hand coke dust?

Hi Rookie

Gotta like your style Sometimes we need a humor. I'm willing to bet on that..... After i pay off my Bookie and get out of the hospital.

R.I.P.

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Gotta like your style Sometimes we need a humor. I'm willing to bet on that..... After i pay off my Bookie and get out of the hospital.

LOL, Humor see the way of the world. I dont think anyone famous said that but I heard it and it made sence to me. But maybe I just have to simple of a mind.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[billvon 3,078]

>because you cannot bitch about second hand coke dust?

Hey, you ever tried getting high off second hand coke dust?

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Hey, you ever tried getting high off second hand coke dust?

LOL, very addictive I hear.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[waltappel 1]

You've got what I consider to be some *very* extreme thoughts on the subject. Where do they come from?

Walt

[burbleflyer 0]

I'll drink to that.

[akarunway 1]

I'll drink to that.
And I'll second that. Cheers

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[sundevil777 102]

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When did I say I drive home right after 3 beers?
For that matter when did I say I thought I'm ok to drive after 3 beers?

Your post (post #12) you directly imply that you are OK to drive after drinking 3 beers:

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...occasionally have 2-3 beers by the fire after a days jumping and according to you I'm a danger and shouldn't be allowed to drive.

I think that when you say a particular person has a sick mind, that is a personal attack.

And this sounds like a thinly veiled threat:

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You picked the wrong guy to deliberately misinterpret.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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He was replying to freethefly's original post that said:

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people who use alcohol should not be allowed a drivers lisence.

which would mean that if he has 2-3 beers by the fire after a day of jumping that he should never be allowed to drive at all.

I don't think he was saying that he was going to drive immediately after having those 2-3 beers.

[freethefly 6]

Actually I have no problem with people who drink. That is their business and this is a "free society". What everyone missed is the double standard that I was implying to. Prohibition was a bad idea and from it came a blackmarket that was highly profitable to the crime families of the time. The same is with drugs. Particular to marijuana prohibition and the same with all drugs. I am not suggesting that people use drugs only that people will use regardless as was with alcohol during prohibition. To enact legislation to solve a problem only encourges a blackmarket. Legalizing or decriminalizing certain substances will not encourage more drug use. Marijuana surely should not be in the same schedule as heroin. Treating cannibis on the same level as alcohol and nicotine would not have a negative but a positive effect on society at levels from reduced crime, economic and medical. Being arrested for cannabis is the greatest harm for using. The harm comes from removing an productive person from society. Most everyone knows someone who enjoys a joint at the end of the day much as everyone knows someone who has a beer or a glass of wine at the end of the day. Any reasonable person can see no harm done. Yet some substances remain illegal while others are not. I did not forget the lessons of prohibition, yet it seems that the government did and their forgetfulness caused more harm than good. The drug cartels are proof much like the Capones and Malones of the prohibition era are proof of what comes from the prohibition of a substance that people will use regardless. Demand and supply. Laws need to be equal and common sense should dictate such laws. You cannot legislate your way out of a problem. Locking people up for simple possession is not the answer. Treat one like the other and do away with an ever growing black market. Prohibition did not work and the "war on drugs" is not working. Billions are spent each year and each year that budget grows while not a dent is put on the black market. Some drugs are very bad for some people same as alcohol is very bad for some people. That is a given. Society will always have those who cannot maintain. Yet to apply a double standard is not the answer. Education will do more to curb a problem than laws prohibiting will. Millions are spent on anti drug ads and have had no effect yet at the same time millions are spent by the alcohol industry and has had a devestating effect. There should be no ads to promote either. Only to educate without prejudice or misinformation. We all have seen the anti marijuana ads. Any semi intelligent person would find these laughable. Untill the truth is told and common sense prevails the problem will never go away.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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The 3 safest and most boring conversations to have at parties or a lot of DZ's.

How drunk you got last night .

How drunk you are NOW

How drunk you're gonnna get tomorrow


PS you can substitue any other adictive substance aduse effect for drunk or mix them together if you like.

Works everytime.

Ps have been known to indulge so yep ..I'm a hypocrite

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Actually I have no problem with people who drink. That is their business and this is a "free society". What everyone missed is the double standard that I was implying to. Prohibition was a bad idea and from it came a blackmarket that was highly profitable to the crime families of the time. The same is with drugs. Particular to marijuana prohibition..............

Oh, OK.... Well I absolutely agree with you on that. I have no doubt that marijuana is a less harmful drug than alcohol, so it makes no sense that it is illegal while alcohol is not only legal but pretty much a staple in our society. The "war on drugs" is one of the most useless and ridiculous ideas that our government has ever come up with. It has done nothing to curtail drug use in our country, and has only increased the already unbelievably high prison population in the US, probably turning some "victimless criminals" into "real criminals". The ads about marijuana use supporting terrorism were particularly asinine; take away the illegality of marijuana and support for terrorism or any other black market/criminal activities associated with the drug will pretty much disappear... Now I in no way encourage anyone to use marijuana - it does have some harmful effects - but I believe that in the alcohol-positive, Prozac nation that we live in, it should at least be a (legal) option.

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So, if you buy coke and use it yourself, you believe that doesn't affect anyone else? (I'm asking because I disagree with your statement)

Its not my (hypothetical) conumption that negatively afects others, its the fact that its illegal.

I stand by what I said which is that responsible drug use (, like responsible gun use,) causes no one any problems and should be legal.

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The ads about marijuana use supporting terrorism were particularly asinine;

Shit! Maybe Holland is next on the list of nations to be regime changed. Or am I just being paranoid...

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Thank you. You're quite right. I should have been more specific. That is what pissed me off about his post. Anyone who uses alcohol, ever, no matter how discreetly or responsibly, denied a license and kicked out of college?
The "picked the wrong guy" comment, although usually used in an ominous manner was not intended as such. It was intended to emphasize I'm about as far away from a drunk driver as you can get since alcohol is not a major part of my life and I can count the number of times I've been drunk in my life without running out of fingers.
I suspect he didn't think his own post through very much either... same penalties for alcohol as for drugs? Sure, ok... get caught with a beer go to jail, get caught with a 6-pack you get a felony trial for posession with intent to distribute. The more you follow the logic the funnier it gets. Or unfunnier since all it does is point out the psychosis of most drug laws, but nuff said.

Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

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you've gottta be shitting me right?

[freethefly 6]

***I suspect he didn't think his own post through very much either... same penalties for alcohol as for drugs? Sure, ok... get caught with a beer go to jail, get caught with a 6-pack you get a felony trial for posession with intent to distribute. The more you follow the logic the funnier it gets. Or unfunnier since all it does is point out the psychosis of most drug laws, but nuff said

I suspect that you too did not pick up on the implication of the double standards that are applied in this country involving alcohol use vs drug use. Since alcohol is a drug and does far more damage than marijuana the same penalty should apply. College students lose federal funding if caught with a joint while but a slap on the hand for alcohol abuse. Each and every year students die from over indulgence of alcohol in frat houses and spring break parties. Not a single person has ever died from smoking pot. All the while drinking is viewed as a rite of passage. Personally, I have used marijuana since 1972. Like many other responsible users it has never affected my life in a negative manner unlike alcohol has. It is near impossiable to tell if a person has recently smoked as they go about doing their regular routine on a daily basis. The same cannot be said for alcohol. My own father smoked pot for well over 50 years and was extremely successful in the military and in business after retiring from the Navy in 1972. There are those in our society who veiw marijuana use as the epicenter of evil. Weed from satans garden, They are far from reality and believe the propaganda put forth by the government. More to the truth the government has used negative propaganda to justify their over bloated budget to "combat" drugs. They have done zero to stem the use of any drugs and have only increased crime rate and filled prisons to the point that a cottage industry of corporate ran prisons grew from their inability to face the facts. The safest and most useful drug, marijuana, has been the focus point since Harry Anslinger villified it in the 1930's. The mentality that prevailed then, prevails today. Nixon, in 1972, commisioned a panel to get to the truth. The panel found that marijuana was, for the most part, a harmless drug and that it had many positive uses. He was so enraged that he threw it in a trash can and then declared a war on drugs, namely marijuana. The number of good citizens that have done time since is mind warping. All the while alcohol enjoys the limelight of being fun and hip. Smoke marijuana and you are a dirty, no good, anti-establishment hippy. You want truth? Go to the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws website. NORML will give you the straight dope. No pun intended.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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***you've gottta be shitting me right?

Not at all. You did not pick up on the double standard that I was alluding to.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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I did afer I read through this thread. Legalize pot, no problem. Legalize all drugs and empty the prisons of half the population, okay with me. Libertarian.

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Sure, ok... get caught with a beer go to jail

It is useful to remember Prohibition from history class.

I think pot should have similiar legal standing as tobacco (i.e. legal but heavily regulated). I've seen many pot smokers more responsible than chain tobacco smokers, that it's silly to call that occasional pot smoker an abuser rather than the chain smoker.

Note: I have never smoked either.

[skydivermom 0]

My dad was an alcoholic. We watched him die a horrible death from liver failure. I personally am amazed he lived as long as he did.

He never caused an accident, but he sure caused plenty of pain that I have only just begun to deal with. Talk about an effective sobriety program!

Mrs. WaltAppel

All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28

[sundevil777 102]

You can read in the events/places to jump forum, people bragging about how much they drank. Not even mentioning anything else about the boogie.

I think it is pitiful when someone basically says, "YeeHa - I drank a lot of alcohol and I want everyone to know about it". What the hell kind of accomplishment is that?

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am