Slappie 9 #1 September 6, 2005 From: Rick Murchison Subject: Politics over duty This is a post from a fellow over in Merritt Is, FL, a reporter who's been researching what went on before the storm hit I think all of Nagin's pomp and posturing is going to bite him hard in the near future as the lies and distortions of his interviews are coming to light. On Friday night before the storm hit Max Mayfield of the National Hurricane Center took the unprecedented action of calling Nagin and Blanco personally to plead with them to begin MANDATORY evacuation of NO and they said they'd take it under consideration. This was after the NOAA buoy 240 miles south had recorded 68' waves before it was destroyed. President Bush spent Friday afternoon and evening in meetings with his advisors and administrators drafting all of the paperwork required for a state to request federal assistance (and not be in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act or having to enact the Insurgency Act). Just before midnight Friday evening the President called Governor Blanco and pleaded with her to sign the request papers so the federal government and the military could legally begin mobilization and call up. He was told that they didn't think it necessary for the federal government to be involved yet. After the President's final call to the governor she held meetings with her staff to discuss the political ramifications of bringing federal forces. It was decided that if they allowed federal assistance it would make it look as if they had failed so it was agreed upon that the feds would not be invited in. Saturday before the storm hit the President again called Blanco and Nagin requesting they please sign the papers requesting federal assistance, that they declare the state an emergency area, and begin mandatory evacuation. After a personal plea from the President, Nagin agreed to order an evacuation, but it would not be a full mandatory evacuation, and the governor still refused to sign the papers requesting and authorizing federal action. In frustration the President declared the area a national disaster area before the state of Louisiana did so he could legally begin some advanced preparations. Rumor has it that the President's legal advisers were looking into the ramifications of using the insurgency act to bypass the Constitutional requirement that a state request federal aid before the federal government can move into state with troops - but that had not been done since 1906 and the Constitutionality of it was called into question to use before the disaster. Throw in that over half the federal aid of the past decade to NO for levee construction, maintenance, and repair was diverted to fund a marina and support the gambling ships. Toss in the investigation that will look into why the emergency preparedness plan submitted to the federal government for funding and published on the city's website was never implemented and in fact may have been bogus for the purpose of gaining additional federal funding as we now learn that the organizations identified in the plan were never contacted or coordinating into any planning - though the document implies that they were. The suffering people of NO need to be asking some hard questions as do we all, but they better start with why Blanco refused to even sign the multi-state mutual aid pack activation documents until Wednesday which further delayed the legal deployment of National Guard from adjoining states. Or maybe ask why Nagin keeps harping that the President should have commandeered 500 Greyhound busses to help him when according to his own emergency plan and documents he claimed to have over 500 busses at his disposal to use between the local school busses and the city transportation busses - but he never raised a finger to prepare them or activate them. This is a sad time for all of us to see that a major city has all but been destroyed and thousands of people have died with hundreds of thousands more suffering, but it's certainly not a time for people to be pointing fingers and trying to find a bigger dog to blame for local corruption and incompetence. Pray to God for the survivors that they can start their lives anew as fast as possible and we learn from all the mistakes to avoid them in the future. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #2 September 6, 2005 I am surpised there are no comments on this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #3 September 6, 2005 QuoteI am surpised there are no comments on this. What more is there to say... FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NtheSeaOrSky 0 #4 September 6, 2005 QuoteI am surpised there are no comments on this. They are trying to figure out how to still make it Bush's fault Talk about taking the wind out of the sails!Life is not fair and there are no guarantees... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #5 September 6, 2005 I just figured the Bush haters would step up. Since everything seems to be his fault. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NtheSeaOrSky 0 #6 September 6, 2005 They will eventually....and when it takes 'too long' to organize and implement a reply...we can notify FEMA and they can hand them the definition of hypocrisy Edited to add: Well we could notify them if our communications hadn't been cut...wait...aren't we communicating now? How could that BE?!?!Life is not fair and there are no guarantees... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #7 September 6, 2005 Sorry to interrupt a new suck-off fest here, just a question. Who is the "fellow over in Merritt Is, FL, a reporter who's been researching what went on before the storm"? Thanks guys! Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #8 September 6, 2005 QuoteI just figured the Bush haters would step up. Since everything seems to be his fault. Hi beo Interesting response do you think that the author is a neutral source. Check it out http://www.townhall.com/about/. Why not wait for the dust to settle, bury the dead save the living, lessons learned and then read the real deal. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #9 September 6, 2005 I have no idea who he is or what his agenda is. I just don't subscribe to the "it's all GWB's fault" and was interested to see what their comments are on this article. If what he says is false then I would like to see them proved wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #10 September 6, 2005 Good read Slappie.........but it will still be all GWB's fault to all the Kerry fascistsMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #11 September 6, 2005 QuoteI have no idea who he is or what his agenda is Right. QuoteIf what he says is false then I would like to see them proved wrong. So you'll believe anything you read, so long as it backs your viewpoints -- the truth of it being secondary. You might not think so, but I am perfectly willing to believe what the guy wrote. A basic tenet of journalism is attributing statements to sources. If this guy is a "journalist", and quotes absolutely no one, he's obviously writing for guys like you. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #12 September 6, 2005 >I am surpised there are no comments on this. I guess there aren't as many people who believe Nagin can do no wrong. He screwed up; so did a lot of people, on both sides of the aisle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #13 September 6, 2005 funny, but when some one brings up something against your leader, then you need proof prior to believing anything. In this case you believe whatever you read, since it speaks well of your great leader, until it is proven wrong... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #14 September 6, 2005 you are assuming too much. I never said I believed everything in the article. I do think that if what is in the article is wrong then someone will speak up and present information that proves him wrong. I don't know where to find that info and also don't have the time to search for it myself right now. I also think that the President of the US does not have as much power as some people seem to think. He isn't responsible for as much shit as he is blamed for. That goes for any of the US Presidents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #15 September 6, 2005 Should I believe everything that everyone says about the President with or without proof?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #16 September 6, 2005 QuoteShould I believe everything that everyone says about the President with or without proof?? Not at all, but proof of the President's mistakes is easy to find.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #17 September 6, 2005 QuoteQuoteShould I believe everything that everyone says about the President with or without proof?? Not at all, but proof of the President's mistakes is easy to find. And proof of the City / State levels screwing up is also just as easy to find.. You dont have to look any farther than their emergency plans. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #18 September 6, 2005 >And proof of the City / State levels screwing up is also just as easy to find.. If the energy expended by people bitching throughout the country about who to blame could be harnessed, the bars in New Orleans would all be dry and open by now. Then they could all bitch there! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #19 September 6, 2005 Quote>And proof of the City / State levels screwing up is also just as easy to find.. If the energy expended by people bitching throughout the country about who to blame could be harnessed, the bars in New Orleans would all be dry and open by now. Then they could all bitch there! How true FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
