Our Caring Leader, Chimpanzee-in-Chief

[NickDG 23]

I was gearing up for Nate, Jimbo and Pizza would call fo a whole other thing . . .

NickD BASE 194

[Gawain 0]

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Here's something that would sway me, even if I didn't already hate our president and wish him harm every day.

Well, I hope you know that posting sh*t like that gets noticed and I hope you feel a little heat for it.

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You would think that someone who "handled the disaster" of 9/11 so well would be able to parlay those exceptional team-building skills to other disasters, but I guess not. What would have happened if this same photo op were taken in the two days after 9/11? Especially considering this is the far greatest disaster in terms of sheer numbers of people affected, long-term damage to our infrastructure, and lack of avoidability?

God bless america, eh?

If you need this to maintain your anger then that's fine. I don't see the connection of one versus the other.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[kelpdiver 2]

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So how many days must pass from any bad event in the country before the President can show anything other than sorrow on his face?

He might make sure there has at least been a federal reponse before he goes to his parties. That picture (the one of the pres, , not the photoshopped one) was taken early last week, as I undertand, before FEMA was even acknowleging the extent of the situation.

So now not only is he supposed to look forlorn after a bad event, you want him to use psychic powers to only look forlorn BEFORE bad events are known!?

If FEMA didn't even seem to know there was trouble, why would Bush know it?

The collective response by government agencies to this has been pathetic. I thought it was disgraceful that France let 10s of thousands die in a heat wave last year, and now we've matched this stupidity.

But to be upset at a fake photo showing the President at an unrelated function - barnyard animal stupid.

[popsjumper 2]

mindless, simply mindless....

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[TheAnvil 0]

Two thoughts for you to ponder:

- 9/11 and Katrina's aftermath are truly akin to the 'apples and oranges' comparison so prevalently used in today's vernacular.

- if airline terrorism, in your opinion, is no more avoidable than a hurricane strike as you state in your post, are you in favor of the complete elimination of security screening at airports?

I have others, but must to bed anon.

yours in agave,

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[airtwardo 7]

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When did the governor finally ask for help?

Long before any significant help was received, assuming you are limiting your question to LA.

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A few facts are in order:

President Bush declared Louisiana a disaster area two days before the hurricane struck the New Orleans area.
President Bush urged New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin and Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco to order the mandatory evacuation that was issued on Sunday, August 28.
First responders to a disaster are always state and local emergency agencies. FEMA is there to supplement the state and local activities.
The hurricane threatened an area as large as 90,000 square miles covering three states. Immediate relief could not possibly have been delivered to all the places that required attention.
An AP photo showed a large fleet of New Orleans buses soaking in six feet of water. The mayor apparently had the means to evacuate many of the folks who ended up stranded at the Superdome and the convention center.
FEMA began its activities immediately, not expecting the magnitude of the flooding, the non-response at the city and state level, and the anarchy that resulted.
The local and state governments had rehearsed for a different scenario. Disaster drills in New Orleans had taken place, but with a false assumption that the levees would hold.
Both the law and protocol prohibit the president from ordering military troops into a state without a formal request to do so from the governor of the affected state.

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Well, I hope you know that posting sh*t like that gets noticed and I hope you feel a little heat for it.

Do you mean you hope the Secret Service will read this and come knock on her doors?

Has America come to that?

[popsjumper 2]

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I don't see any of those words in there...WTF?

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My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[mnealtx 0]

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Well, I hope you know that posting sh*t like that gets noticed and I hope you feel a little heat for it.

Do you mean you hope the Secret Service will read this and come knock on her doors?

Has America come to that?

*IF* she had made a direct threat against the President, she would have been checked out, yes...it's been that way for at least a few decades.

As it is - she'd probably be put on a 'watch list'.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Rudderow 2]

ok, now i just feel bad. I don't really wish him harm. I shouldn't have said those things out of anger. He does seem to be a nice, caring man. Just a "little" dopey sometimes.

edited to add: i'll go back to the women's only and bonfire forums now. i've had my fill of SC.

PMS #165 Swooo #613 CSA #687

[shropshire 0]

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As it is - she'd probably be put on a 'watch list'.

I bet that's a jolly big list ( and getting bigger every day)

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I don't see any of those words in there...WTF?

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I didn't realize the concept of a question (as indicated by the question mark) is that difficult....

[tcnelson 1]

i applaud your effort airtwardo.

i don't have the patience to type out facts when i know that they are going to fall on illogical, emotional, unrealistic, unexperienced, and otherwise deaf ears.

for you sir.

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

[gemini 0]

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i don't have the patience to type out facts when i know that they are going to fall on illogical, emotional, unrealistic, unexperienced, and otherwise deaf ears.

Then why say anything?

I asked for dates and at least airtwardo gave us what he had to support his comments. I respect that. To many people in SC spout information that the debunking sites have already proved to be false.

If a person believes in their position, support it with factual information or go to the bar where the bartender will listen to all the crap someone wants to dish out.

By the way not all of us are illogical, emotional, unrealistic, or unexperienced and I take great offense in you comment. Simply because I do not believe as you do does not mean I am any of those things.

You didn't have the facts or you would have posted them.

A am a little hard of hearing though so I will give you that one. I earned my hearing loss in Vietnam. How is that for experience?

Blue skies,

Jim

[tcnelson 1]

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Then why say anything?

simple --> entertainment value!

it's not that i never support my position it's just that sometimes i get tired of putting forth the effort.

i didn't say everyone fits the description i put forth, i'm just saying that many peeps don't know what they're talking about. nothing new there.

i spent time in the army as well. yea for us. it did teach us a little bit about the world at large and gave us experience that many people don't have no?

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

[AlexCrowley 0]

Any threat to the POTUS is followed up by SS.

A few years back a bunch of geeks had a discussion about the best way to circumvent traditional security mechanisms. Basically it was the same thing that security groups across the world were doing in the aftermath of 9/11. Our online community came up with a couple of scenarios, one in particular was very detailed (and ingenious).

Even though the thread when read in context was purely theoretical - this was a technical discussion, not a political debate, the original poster was visited at work, taken home and interviewed by two Secret Service agents.

This was on a vaguely known geek site that wasnt in the mainstream. So yes, they are out there looking and it is standard protocol to follow up on any threat to the President, in whatever context it is presented.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[TypicalFish 0]

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- 9/11 and Katrina's aftermath are truly akin to the 'apples and oranges' comparison so prevalently used in today's vernacular.

Would it be less of an apples and oranges comparison if AQ had dynamited the levees? the result would be the same (actually, I am surprised they didn't think of it). With no warning (in the case of it being a terrorist attack)the response would have been even worse.

"I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

[TypicalFish 0]

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So yes, they are out there looking and it is standard protocol to follow up on any threat to the President, in whatever context it is presented.

Though they probably say "Oh, it's just those idiots in Speaker's Corner again"...

"I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

[AlexCrowley 0]

Yeah, as they're putting on their overcoats and leaving the office.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

I wonder what the definition of Police State is?

So much for Land of the Free....

[AlexCrowley 0]

I'm not sure, but the Secret Service do their job the same way they always have done, it's just now there are different mediums out there.

From About.com:

According to this law -- 18 USC Sec. 871 -- which reads, in part:

"...Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both."

edit: added link.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

I would have a hard time defining the internet as a letter carrier.

[lisamariewillbe 1]

thats why this part comes into play

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or document containing

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

[freethefly 6]

***As it is - she'd probably be put on a 'watch list'


What kind of watch is it? Timex or Rolex? Sure would be nice to have a Rolex but will settle for a Timex. Put me on the list.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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thats why this part comes into play


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Now English isn't my first language, but if you read the sentence below, it is pretty clear that at play is how that document gets "transported". It is not just "any document containing" but it also has to be "deposited for conveyance via mail or deposited at a post office or any letter carrier for delivery". See I have bolded for you the part of the sentence you may have overlooked.

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Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both