rwieder 0 #26 September 12, 2005 QuoteDo you also have your own interpretation of "Satan"? This so called Satan Fella, You know em?-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #27 September 12, 2005 Quotewhat are you talking about? and why must you fling your shitty attitude about my beliefs my way? I don't shit on you for your beliefs or your lifestyle, do I Keith? Thank you for proving my point. Doesn't take much to cause you to fly off the handle. Btw, I won't be feeding any more trolling.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverton 0 #28 September 12, 2005 Yes, I believe in myself ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Using your droque to gain stability is a bad habit, Especially when you are jumping a sport rig Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #29 September 12, 2005 ***No, don’t believe in Satan, or the devil, God, Jesus, or Father.... dowsers,.... Dowsing's real. I had to dowse for the septic lines outback. Used two 1/8th copper wire about 20' long with about a 2 inch bend at 90 on one end. Balance between thumb and fore finger whilst holding hands apart 6" to 12'. Rods will move towards each other to form an X when aproaching and passing over water."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #30 September 12, 2005 QuoteQuotewhat are you talking about? and why must you fling your shitty attitude about my beliefs my way? I don't shit on you for your beliefs or your lifestyle, do I Keith? Thank you for proving my point. Doesn't take much to cause you to fly off the handle. Btw, I won't be feeding any more trolling. what causes me to fly off the handle is people like you w/o an ounce of respect for the beliefs of others. you're very inconsiderate. but when others start talking about YOUR beliefs, YOUR lifestyle, you'll be the first to scream descrimination, bigotry, hatred, gay bashing, etc.... troll... indeed... -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #31 September 12, 2005 Sinker I think you have absolutely no grounds for griping about the responses to your posts in this thread and I think your attitude to has been appalling. You were the one to solicited Keith's response when you posted "his greatest coup has been to convince "enlightened" folks that he doesn't exist." Your use of the term "enlightened" in inverted commas as you did belies your willingness to impose your beliefs upon others and shows your contempt and disrespect for their beliefs. How you then dare accuse Keith of doing what you had yourself just done is beyond comprehension. Don't try to call foul when you have your thumb in the other guy's eye. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #32 September 12, 2005 Easy Fellas! Let's keep it civil.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #33 September 12, 2005 QuoteTherefor everyone goes to heaven, no adversary is necessary and even if he should exist he could simply play piano and watch sunsets. If God refuses to forgive those that do not adhere to a particular rule then he is no longer infinitely forgiving or loving and therefor no longer infinite, since we have found a limit. Where does it state that God is “infinitely” forgiving? God is “infinitely” good but God is also just. The only “unforgivable” sin is (for those with knowledge and who have heard) is to not accept God’s forgiveness through Jesus and to repent of sin. Your rationalization above has no basis other than your own. You’re making up characteristics of a God which does not exist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #34 September 12, 2005 QuoteQuoteTherefor everyone goes to heaven, no adversary is necessary and even if he should exist he could simply play piano and watch sunsets. If God refuses to forgive those that do not adhere to a particular rule then he is no longer infinitely forgiving or loving and therefor no longer infinite, since we have found a limit. Where does it state that God is “infinitely” forgiving? God is “infinitely” good but God is also just. The only “unforgivable” sin is (for those with knowledge and who have heard) is to not accept God’s forgiveness through Jesus and to repent of sin. Your rationalization above has no basis other than your own. You’re making up characteristics of a God which does not exist. You may want to mention that to centuries of philosophers. The argument itself goes back to the early Christian philosophers, through Descartes (the father of modern philosophy, the bastard) up to the present day. I dont have my phil 101 stuff lying around but you could take a look at St Anselm's Ontological argument, generally the philosophy crew boil it down to the 'omnis'. BTW one cannot be infinitely one thing BUT then have a conditional attached - once you limit an infinite it becomes finite. Unless you're an ancient greek. I would also argue that a great deal of Christians consider their God to be infinite, without end, forever and ever amen. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #35 September 12, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteTherefor everyone goes to heaven, no adversary is necessary and even if he should exist he could simply play piano and watch sunsets. If God refuses to forgive those that do not adhere to a particular rule then he is no longer infinitely forgiving or loving and therefor no longer infinite, since we have found a limit. Where does it state that God is “infinitely” forgiving? God is “infinitely” good but God is also just. The only “unforgivable” sin is (for those with knowledge and who have heard) is to not accept God’s forgiveness through Jesus and to repent of sin. Your rationalization above has no basis other than your own. You’re making up characteristics of a God which does not exist. You may want to mention that to centuries of philosophers. The argument itself goes back to the early Christian philosophers, through Descartes (the father of modern philosophy, the bastard) up to the present day. I dont have my phil 101 stuff lying around but you could take a look at St Anselm's Ontological argument, generally the philosophy crew boil it down to the 'omnis'. BTW one cannot be infinitely one thing BUT then have a conditional attached - once you limit an infinite it becomes finite. Unless you're an ancient greek. I would also argue that a great deal of Christians consider their God to be infinite, without end, forever and ever amen. i'd love to sit and drink some beer w/ you sometime, and let the f bombs fly where the may of course... -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #36 September 12, 2005 What does the Bible say about it? Extra-Biblical writings are not divinely inspired nor are they the final authority in these matters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #37 September 12, 2005 QuoteWhat does the Bible say about it? Extra-Biblical writings are not divinely inspired nor are they the final authority in these matters. Parajito, please - lets not pretend that Christian tradition is only from divinely inspired writings. But lets go: " Psalm 145:3 Great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised; and his greatness is unsearchable. II Chronicles 2:5 & 6 And the house that I build is great: for great is our God above all Gods. But who is able to build him an house, seeing the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain him? who am I then, that I should build him an house, save only to burn sacrifice before him? I Kings 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded. Jeremiah 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord. Psalm 147:5 Great is our Lord, and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite. A stupid question also, considering there are famous hymns such as 'Great God, How infinite thou art', and centuries of Christian philosophers, priests and preachers talking about the unending nature of The Lord. Do you celebrate the Sabbath on a saturday? There's no scriptural justification for changing the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday - in fact it's not until 135AD that the religious record explicitly states that such a change occurs. In fact, Paul - the founder of your church states explicitly 1 Cor 11:26 You proclaim the Lord's death till he comes. So why not a Friday sabbath rather than a Sunday? The Day of Resurrection has it's earliest mention around 400AD, so that wouldnt be the historical justification for it. Jesus himself gave explicit instructions for Baptism, prayer and communion - you'd think that something as ground breaking (for a jew) as changing the Sabbath day might have been mentioned at some point. I dont really mind when the Christian Sabbath is, I just think that for anyone to try and make an argument that something engrained into any religion requires explicit scriptural evidence when it's existence is taken for granted by centuries of it's proponents is a little weak. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #38 September 12, 2005 the SOURCE was vanquished several seasons ago .... sorry.. I couldn't resistincidentally.. I do believe in my own interpretation of it.. but it's simply energy.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #39 September 12, 2005 QuoteBTW one cannot be infinitely one thing BUT then have a conditional attached - once you limit an infinite it becomes finite. Unless you're an ancient greek Would an "infinitely" good God not also, by definition, have to be just? Could you have an infinitely good God who is also unjust at times? If you're charged with and proven guilty of a crime, wouldn't the “infinitely good” judge be obligated to pass sentence on you? Even if you were sincerely apologetic, would that absolve you of the crime you committed? The judge might personally forgive you but, in order for justice to be done, the penalty for the crime must be observed. Does that not make sense? That's not a "limit" on his love. It's an expression of it. A way out has been freely given. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #40 September 12, 2005 Quotelets not pretend that Christian tradition is only from divinely inspired writings. I don't believe any of your quotes mention that God is infinitely "forgiving." They do describe the infinite "goodness" of God, however. Also, I never said what is in the reply above. I’ve said that the books of the Bible are divinely inspired. I’ve also said that all else, if it’s worth the paper that it’s written on no matter who wrote it, must be checked against it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #41 September 12, 2005 >what causes me to fly off the handle is people like you w/o >an ounce of respect for the beliefs of others. Last warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #42 September 12, 2005 QuoteQuoteBTW one cannot be infinitely one thing BUT then have a conditional attached - once you limit an infinite it becomes finite. Unless you're an ancient greek Would an "infinitely" good God not also, by definition, have to be just? Could you have an infinitely good God who is also unjust at times? If you're charged with and proven guilty of a crime, wouldn't the “infinitely good” judge be obligated to pass sentence on you? Even if you were sincerely apologetic, would that absolve you of the crime you committed? The judge might personally forgive you but, in order for justice to be done, the penalty for the crime must be observed. Does that not make sense? That's not a "limit" on his love. It's an expression of it. A way out has been freely given. You're the one arguing that he's not infinte, not me. Since Jesus died for our sins. Dont recall there being a footnote on that "Except the ones that God couldnt handle" Anthropomorphizing God has been Christianitys greatest failing. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #43 September 12, 2005 QuoteYou're the one arguing that he's not infinte, not me. Since Jesus died for our sins. Dont recall there being a footnote on that "Except the ones that God couldnt handle" Anthropomorphizing God has been Christianitys greatest failing. Don't change it around. You said that God was "infinitely forgiving." I said "back that up Biblically." I then went on to say that he was infinitely good and that justice comes with that. You never made your point in the beginning. Unless, you're going to continue to use extra-biblical teachings as equal with the source. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #44 September 12, 2005 QuoteQuotelets not pretend that Christian tradition is only from divinely inspired writings. I don't believe any of your quotes mention that God is infinitely "forgiving." They do describe the infinite "goodness" of God, however. Also, I never said what is in the reply above. I’ve said that the books of the Bible are divinely inspired. I’ve also said that all else, if it’s worth the paper that it’s written on no matter who wrote it, must be checked against it. That's certainly the impression given when you say "where is that listed in scripture?". If God is infinite, which the above passages from your scripture clearly state then by definition he is infinitely everything. If you really want to talk about infinite we could also draw the logical conclusion that an infinite God, by virtue of his infinite state must be everything that is both holy and profane. But we can boil him down to a white haired old man who judges us like we're kids and he's the kind of loving but stern grandfather who's there to make sure we grow up right but dont get into too much trouble, if you'd like because that seems to be exactly the level at which you are thinking with this current conversation. Kinda like a cross between the James Earl Jones and Burt Lancaster characters in Field of Dreams. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,563 #45 September 12, 2005 QuoteWhere does it state that God is “infinitely” forgiving? God is “infinitely” good but God is also just. The only “unforgivable” sin is (for those with knowledge and who have heard) is to not accept God’s forgiveness through Jesus and to repent of sin. My word. It appears that God is also infinitely Egotistical. I mean honestly, how vain does he have to be?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #46 September 13, 2005 Quote***No, don’t believe in Satan, or the devil, God, Jesus, or Father.... dowsers,.... Dowsing's real. I had to dowse for the septic lines outback. Used two 1/8th copper wire about 20' long with about a 2 inch bend at 90 on one end. Balance between thumb and fore finger whilst holding hands apart 6" to 12'. Rods will move towards each other to form an X when aproaching and passing over water. Sorry champ, but dowsing, after astrology is the most widely debunked pseudoscience out there…. Most of the time it is the result of the idometer effect, or just luck… Although I will give you the benefit of the doubt here and if you genuinely believe that it works and you can “dowse” then you could make yourself a $Million dollars… Interested????? Besides what effect do you think the water has on the rods that causes them to move????----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #47 September 13, 2005 All I know is: I saw the title of this thread & immediately thought: "Well, isn't that SPECIAL!!" Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #48 September 13, 2005 Quote>what causes me to fly off the handle is people like you w/o >an ounce of respect for the beliefs of others. Last warning. pm sent -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #49 September 13, 2005 QuoteAll I know is: I saw the title of this thread & immediately thought: "Well, isn't that SPECIAL!!" BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Oh MY! That voice hasn't been stuck in my mind for YEARS! I'll bitch at YOU when I can't ditch it tomorrow, all day, in the ER.... Teenage girl comes in with stinky coochie...."well...isn't that special." All....day.....long. Reminds me...."women do not fart, belch, or snore....therefore we must BITCH or we'll explode!!!!" I know that's sexist, but it's funny....heh. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mockingbird 0 #50 September 13, 2005 Yes, I believe he exists, in the traditional (biblical) sense. He was created by God as an angel, but he decided he was really hot stuff and could be LIKE GOD. Other angels followed him and they were expelled from God's presence. The major reason I believe he exists is because Jesus Christ said he does. The last time he mentioned satan was shortly before Christ was crucified, when He and his disciples gathered for their last supper together, and Jesus prayed for His disciples. (His prayer is here.) One of the things He asked His Father for was that He would keep them from "the evil one." (I love that whole prayer.)Blue skies & happy jitters ~Mockingbird "Why is there something rather than nothing?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
