Professor's experience in New Orleans

[juanesky 0]

None. You've been in the armed forces yourself, were you ever instructed to shoot innocent people?

I saw very few babies, as they most were evacuated. Most were grateful (particulary the police) we were actually there, armed and ready to protect them, and the city, and putting our asses on the line for and with them.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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but, but Bill heard the EMT speak!!! it must be truth

It is interesting how many will speak of facts....

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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None. You've been in the armed forces yourself, were you ever instructed to shoot innocent people?

No, but I did get into technical arguments with shipyard personnel on occasion. And one time I saw a cat throw up. I'm still having nightmares on that.

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[juanesky 0]

LMAO, you are lucky to have missed field excercises army-CB style, as the experience of the "porta-potties/empty oil drums" will be impregnated in your memory till death....

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[wmw999 2,447]

Note: your experience is real. The EMT's is real. The people who felt abandoned had real experiences.

It's possible for there to have been both good and bad experiences. Really.

that is all

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Note: your experience is real. The EMT's is real. The people who felt abandoned had real experiences.

It's possible for there to have been both good and bad experiences. Really.

that is all

Wendy W.

Wait so you are saying that if I live in a city and find a good job there and a good life, someone else may live in that city and be poor and downtrodden?

that is nuts.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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Note: your experience is real. The EMT's is real. The people who felt abandoned had real experiences.

It's possible for there to have been both good and bad experiences. Really.

that is all

Wendy W.

Wait so you are saying that if I live in a city and find a good job there and a good life, someone else may live in that city and be poor and downtrodden?

that is nuts.

Yep and if enough are, you better hold onto your wallet because the govt. is going to come sniffing around your butt looking for it.

[juanesky 0]

I doubt many of the facts he stated. Whomever he can be.

But stating that 2 days after the storm hit, and were not directed to either the convention center (were there was plenty of food and water), or the super dome lacks of a lot of credibility, if you ad, that he magically gathered $25,000 cash (maybe the idea of the ass swiping debit/credit card is a reality for some) and had to get buses, is not based on reality, or at least the New Orleans I saw.

I saw plenty of bad experiences as well, it was not a picnic for me either. The people that lost everything had help, and plenty of despair, and I had plenty of empathy for them, and we put our lives on the line for them. We could not compare ourselves with those who lost everything. Same thing goes for all the rescue--law enforcement-out of state personnel
that left their homes to chip in with some hard long working days.

Your implication that it was a good experience, lacks of real objectivity.

And as far as this fantasy of events, that this EMT is "sharing" on the net, I still call BS, the dates, times, and total lack of knowledge where he could have walked and seek water, food, shelter, resources to be evacuated, medical assistance.

The Iwo Jima docked on Tuesday (the big ship with medical-surgical capabilites) Sept, 6th, perhaps you did not read my first post in this thread, and there were constantly evacuating people to the naval air base (and from there to elsewhere in the US), or the medical emergencies to this ship, which was about 40 miles from shore.

Perhaps the EMT in question, has terrible language deficiencies, or perhaps is handicapped, but even then, the only people I saw stranded there, were the ones in the flooded area, and let me spell this out, the French quarters area was not flooded.

Do you understand the words that are coming out of my keyboard?

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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I just wanted to take a minute and say "Thank-you" for serving your country and being in N.O. to help people. I appreciate your efforts and when we meet, I'm buying.

Bob


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I hereby christen this tactic Speaker's Corner Tactic #1. It will be closely related to Tactic #1a, the "you're twisting my words!" tactic.

Someone's cranky.

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[jenfly00 0]

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It is interesting how many will speak of facts....

Just what I was thinking.

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[mnealtx 0]

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It is interesting how many will speak of facts....

Just what I was thinking.

And we should blindly believe a mass-emailed story (that has since been debunked) over an eyewitness report from someone that was there, because....?

Mike
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It is interesting how many will speak of facts....

Just what I was thinking.

And we should blindly believe a mass-emailed story (that has since been debunked) over an eyewitness report from someone that was there, because....?

I'm hoping your comments are some type of debating technique gone bad, as opposed to revealing something ...well, not pretty, about yourself. Are you really all about grabbing whatever hook you see and bending perception to fit your need.

Amusing as your tactic might be, back to the subject. Are you disagreeing with the details of the original post ...or just pounding your chest and posturing? It might play in Cleveland but really!

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It is interesting how many will speak of facts....

Just what I was thinking.

And we should blindly believe a mass-emailed story (that has since been debunked) over an eyewitness report from someone that was there, because....?

I'm hoping your comments are some type of debating technique gone bad, as opposed to revealing something ...well, not pretty, about yourself. Are you really all about grabbing whatever hook you see and bending perception to fit your need.

Amusing as your tactic might be, back to the subject. Are you disagreeing with the details of the original post ...or just pounding your chest and posturing? It might play in Cleveland but really!

Something "not pretty" about myself...what would that be, since your debate style seems to be flinging thinly veiled insults about the other posters....

Yes, I am disagreeing with the original post. It has been debunked and called false by the so-called author. Your rebuttal?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Yes, I am disagreeing with the original post. It has been debunked and called false by the so-called author. Your rebuttal?

Actually, the "author" only said that what was false was his authorship. he DID say it was the experience of other people...EMTs who wrote it.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[mnealtx 0]

I noticed that, but I hold the rest of the article in suspicion. If they falsified the author, what else might they have falsified?

I would like to see the accountings from the actual EMT's themselves.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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I noticed that, but I hold the rest of the article in suspicion. If they falsified the author, what else might they have falsified?

I would like to see the accountings from the actual EMT's themselves.

Me too. But I don not have a problem believing some of it...even the part about bad cops. They DO exist. And the situation was a bit crazy. In crazy situations, crazy shit happens.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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I noticed that, but I hold the rest of the article in suspicion. If they falsified the author, what else might they have falsified?

Some of us feel that way about Bush's claims about yellowcake from Niger when his administration already knew the claims were false.

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Something "not pretty" about myself...what would that be, since your debate style seems to be flinging thinly veiled insults about the other posters....

Perfect example for your question. I'm done with you.

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[billvon 2,991]

>And we should blindly believe a mass-emailed story (that has since been
>debunked) over an eyewitness report from someone that was there, because....?

I listened to a guy who was there tell his story. So for me it's a question of listening to an eyewitness who was there vs. reading an internet report from an eyewitness who was there.

BTW the town of Gretna is now admitting that this happened.

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>And we should blindly believe a mass-emailed story (that has since been
>debunked) over an eyewitness report from someone that was there, because....?

I listened to a guy who was there tell his story. So for me it's a question of listening to an eyewitness who was there vs. reading an internet report from an eyewitness who was there.

BTW the town of Gretna is now admitting that this happened.

And here are some sources:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-gretna16sep16,0,728170.story?coll=la-home-headlines
http://washtimes.com/upi/20050908-112433-4907r.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/13/katrina.bridge/
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9427111/

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[mnealtx 0]

Ok, I've read the stories...

Initial thoughts:

1. Looks like there wasn't any coordination between NO and Gretna. They sent people out without knowing (or finding out) if there was any support for them.

2. Gretna had no support from Federal authorities, as NO did. They had no shelters or provisions to be able to help refugees.

3. Gretna initially let some people through and used local resources to transport them to another location where support was available. A subset of these people decided to loot stores, set fires and rob the inhabitants of the town. To protect themselves and their city, the Gretna Sheriff blocked access to any further people.

4. A couple of San Francisco EMT's are in the crowd that gets turned back. They get home and post their accounts on the Socialist Workers website.

I think Gretna did the right thing to protect themselves and their city once the situation broke down. While I am certainly not taking anything away from the EMT's and what happened to them, some of the clips definitely seem a bit... dramatized, shall we say. They certainly didn't waste any time playing the race card.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[billvon 2,991]

>I think Gretna did the right thing to protect themselves and their
>city once the situation broke down.

I think threatening to fire on people who are trying to save themselves is disgusting. I guess we will differ on that.

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>I think Gretna did the right thing to protect themselves and their
>city once the situation broke down.

I think threatening to fire on people who are trying to save themselves is disgusting. I guess we will differ on that.

Firstly, there's two stories on that - some refugees say they were threatened, the city officials say they weren't. Without corroboration of one side or the other, I stand mute on that point.

Secondly, what was Gretna supposed to do? Set up a checkpoint and ask if they were looters, before letting them into a city with no assistance to give them? Please note that all of the stories listed state that there were no supplies, shelter or transportation to give the refugees.

"Sure, c'mon in... just take what you want." That attitude among some of the refugees is what caused the problem in the first place.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[billvon 2,991]

>Firstly, there's two stories on that - some refugees say they were
>threatened, the city officials say they weren't.

Dude, they sent armed officers to seal a bridge, and turned back people after confrontations. There's no question about that.

>Secondly, what was Gretna supposed to do?

Try to help the people whose lives were destroyed by a natural disaster. If they couldn't - let them pass on to another town.

And this pretty clearly answers the question "why didn't people just leave?" Some people were stopped at gunpoint.

>Please note that all of the stories listed state that there were no
>supplies, shelter or transportation to give the refugees.

So a better solution is to force them to live under an underpass? At some point you have to decide if your priority is property or people.

Once again, I don't believe that you'd have this opinion if you were there. If you were in Gretna, you'd try to help these people. If you and your family were one of the refugees, you'd be doing everything in your power to get over that bridge and out of New Orleans.