jsaxton 0 #1 September 20, 2005 global warming == more hurricanes == less oil supply; Think Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #2 September 20, 2005 Quoteglobal warming == more hurricanes == less oil supply This may be true if stated as: If global warming =more hurricanes and if refinery locations = hurricane landfall, then less fuel production. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #3 September 20, 2005 where is the evidence that global warming = more hurricanes? weather patterns move in cycles just like most other natural phenomenon."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #4 September 20, 2005 I don't believe that in the few years we have been tracking the weather that we have begun to see the cycles in the weather. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #5 September 20, 2005 Only thing known for sure is that the weather changes, ice ages come and go.... Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #6 September 20, 2005 Quotewhere is the evidence that global warming = more hurricanes? weather patterns move in cycles just like most other natural phenomenon. it should read "where is there evidence that global warming exist?" the science behind the theory is faulty, and we all know where the retractions are posted in newspapers it ain't page one, why should the scientific community be any different I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #7 September 20, 2005 Haven't you heard? It's all Bush's fault! Just elect a liberal democrat for President, and then everything will be okay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #8 September 20, 2005 >the science behind the theory is faulty . . . Every part of it can be and has been demonstrated in a lab. > and we all know where >the retractions are posted in newspapers it ain't page one, why > should the scientific community be any different . . . Because your average scientist is smarter than your average newspaper reader. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tr027 0 #9 September 20, 2005 What I heard is something like higher temps evaporate more water, putting more water vapor into the atmosphere, this water vapor is what fuels hurricanes because it promotes temperature differentials. That's why hurricanes are prevalent in tropical areas only. That's MBG (my best guess)."The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. " -John Galt from Atlas Shrugged, 1957 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #10 September 20, 2005 Quote Haven't you heard? It's all Bush's fault! Just elect a liberal democrat for President, and then everything will be okay. I don't think it's got anything to do with the political party of the current president of the USA. It's got more to do with the fact that he has politicised science in a way that's very reminiscent of Europe in the Middle Ages. Only scientists who profess the correct beliefs get appointed to administration-controlled posts. 'Tis a pity, and it's very bad for the long-term future of the USA. /soapbox. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #11 September 21, 2005 >What I heard is something like higher temps evaporate more water, > putting more water vapor into the atmosphere, this water vapor is >what fuels hurricanes because it promotes temperature differentials. Sort of. High surface water temps fuel stronger hurricanes. The sea is warming due to anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases. The increase in CO2 in the atmosphere roughly matches increase in sea temperatures, and that in turn roughly correlates to the increase in hurricane severity. Attached are graphs of CO2 concentrations from ice cores and direct measurements, ocean temps, and hurricane severity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #12 September 21, 2005 Yes. So let's keep burning that vroom juice. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #13 September 21, 2005 QuoteOnly thing known for sure is that the weather changes, ice ages come and go.... That's right. Hell, we might as well go back to burning coal, the old-school way. Soot, schmoot! Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #14 September 21, 2005 Quote Haven't you heard? It's all Bush's fault! Just elect a liberal democrat for President, and then everything will be okay. Yeah! Those tree-hugging LIBERALS might as well be wearing pink skirts. I loves me my Carbon Monoxide and Mercury!!!! Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #15 September 21, 2005 Apparently the earth wobbles on its axis a bit and every 10,000 to 12,000 years spins right out and finds a new axis to settle down on. Apparently this coincides with the rise and fall of whole human civilisations. If this is true the extreme weather patterns (ice ages) that come with this realignment could make hurricanes/tropical cyclones/typhoons look pretty tame. Better off believeing it's not possible ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #16 September 21, 2005 If the polar caps melt, we lose the low parts of Florida with the most of the alligators and some parts of California. Seems like a fair trade. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #17 September 21, 2005 QuoteQuote Haven't you heard? It's all Bush's fault! Just elect a liberal democrat for President, and then everything will be okay. I don't think it's got anything to do with the political party of the current president of the USA. It's got more to do with the fact that he has politicised science in a way that's very reminiscent of Europe in the Middle Ages. Only scientists who profess the correct beliefs get appointed to administration-controlled posts. 'Tis a pity, and it's very bad for the long-term future of the USA. /soapbox. That is a very good point, and the BBC ran an article recently on Bush administrations hostility to science.. [sic]America is rapidly turning into a christian fundamentalist dictatorship. Incidents such as the suppression of climate change information and the teaching of "Intelligent Design" in schools give a clear picture of the American government's distain for any science that can't be used to bomb people into submission.----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #18 September 21, 2005 >America is rapidly turning into a christian fundamentalist dictatorship. . . . aaaand with that . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,446 #19 September 21, 2005 I heard an interesting presentation earlier this year. By looking at ice samples from Siberia and the Antarctic (VERY old) along with old trees, they can combine the information with known earth movements (including that wobble) and other stuff to show a whole lot of overlapping cycles. There are lots of them. Since the middle of the 19th century we've been warming up faster than any overlap of cycles should account for. Krakatoa, Pinatubo, and other volcanoes add to that, but that's expected. The most striking thing that I saw was a lessening of this effect during the worldwide depression visible in his charts. This is a professor of chemical engineering and environmental science. He's been teaching at Rice since the 1960's I'm pretty sure. It was an excellent pitch, and I'm glad I saw it. That said, it's self-correcting. If we fuck it up enough, we will die off, and then there won't be a problem any more. The earth has much longer cycles than the US does. Of course, I don't find that to be too palatable an option. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #20 September 21, 2005 the BBC is almost as bad as NPR Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #21 September 21, 2005 Quotewhere is the evidence that global warming = more hurricanes? weather patterns move in cycles just like most other natural phenomenon. 1st and 2nd Laws of Thermodynamics. Hurricanes are heat engines.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #22 September 21, 2005 QuoteI don't believe that in the few years we have been tracking the weather that we have begun to see the cycles in the weather. i see your point about ice ages and such but, meteorologists have been referencing the number of hurricanes in the 1950's 60's as similar to what we are seeing now."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #23 September 21, 2005 Quoteit should read "where is there evidence that global warming exist? global warming exists for sure. there is plenty of evidence available that is experimentally repeatable to read."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #24 September 21, 2005 QuoteQuotewhere is the evidence that global warming = more hurricanes? weather patterns move in cycles just like most other natural phenomenon. 1st and 2nd Laws of Thermodynamics. Hurricanes are heat engines. conservation of energy and entropy can help to explain why hurricanes strengthen in warm conditions but, i'm more interested in why there would be more hurricanes that get started in warm the same circumstances. ie. why have there been more hurricanes this season than in the previous several years?"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mikki_ZH 0 #25 September 21, 2005 Global warning is al lies and bullshit! It is a coincident that we have a lot more nature catastrophes today. Fuck the environment. Fuck Kyoto. Hurray to growth and economics. I will only live maximum another 40 to 50 years more. Fuck what comes after that. I don’t live in New Orleans. I think it is very smart of Bush not to sign the Kyoto protocol and go ahead and try to make something on it's own together with countries like China and India. I’m sure that environment is very high in the list of priorities of these countries. It’s al good…Michi (#1068) hsbc/gba/sba www.swissbaseassociation.ch www.michibase.ch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
