busaunit 0 #1 September 20, 2005 The United States transfers more weapons and military services than any other country in the world http://www.worldpolicy.org/projects/arms/reports/wawjune2005.html thank you again for making the world a safer place Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crozby 0 #2 September 20, 2005 For the people who find clickys too much like hard work. Here's an executive summary of the executive summary: QuotePerhaps no single policy is more at odds with President Bush’s pledge to "end tyranny in our world" than the United States’ role as the world’s leading arms exporting nation. In 2003, the last year for which full information is available, the United States transferred weaponry to 18 of the 25 countries involved in active conflicts. In 2003, more than half of the top 25 recipients of U.S. arms transfers in the developing world (13 of 25) were defined as undemocratic by the U.S. State Department’s Human Rights Report When countries designated by the State Department’s Human Rights Report to have poor human rights records or serious patterns of abuse are factored in, 20 of the top 25 U.S. arms clients in the developing world in 2003-- a full 80%-- were either undemocratic regimes or governments with records of major human rights abuses. It doesn't surprise me that more arms are sold to nations that need them, than to nations that don't - that much is pretty obvious. But its always good to read something that reinforces the view that Bush is a hypocritical self-serving two-faced lying twat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #3 September 20, 2005 QuoteIt doesn't surprise me that more arms are sold to nations that need them, than to nations that don't - that much is pretty obvious. But its always good to read something that reinforces the view that Bush is a hypocritical self-serving two-faced lying twat. Yeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #4 September 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteIt doesn't surprise me that more arms are sold to nations that need them, than to nations that don't - that much is pretty obvious. But its always good to read something that reinforces the view that Bush is a hypocritical self-serving two-faced lying twat. Yeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. Course not. Everyone with any sense realized that arms dealing only started happening 5 years ago. duh. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #5 September 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt doesn't surprise me that more arms are sold to nations that need them, than to nations that don't - that much is pretty obvious. But its always good to read something that reinforces the view that Bush is a hypocritical self-serving two-faced lying twat. Yeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. Course not. Everyone with any sense realized that arms dealing only started happening 5 years ago. duh. Where's my chainsaw? I gotta clear some undergrowth to make way for them new rocket launchers. I betcha he gonna git a couple uh hunerd apeice fur em. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #6 September 20, 2005 For some reason I am reminded of the Team America theme song: ------------------------------------------- America, America, America fuck yeah. Comin' again to save the motherfucking day, yeah. America, fuck yeah! Freedom is the only way, yeah. Terrorist your game is through 'cause now you have to answer to America, fuck yeah. So lick my butt and suck on my balls. America, fuck yeah. . . McDonalds, Wal-mart, the Gap, baseball, NFL, rock and roll, the internet, slavery, fuck yeah, fuck yeah. Starbucks, Disneyworld, porno, valium, Reebok, fake tits, sushi, Taco Bell, rodeo, Bed Bath and Beyond. Liberty, waxed lips, the Alamo, Band-Aids, Christmas, immigrants, Popeye, Democrats, Republicans, sportsmanship, books. America, fuck yeah. Comin' again to save the motherfucking day yeah. America, fuck yeah. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites immanence 0 #7 September 20, 2005 Quote For some reason I am reminded of the Team America theme song: ------------------------------------------- America, America, America fuck yeah. Comin' again to save the motherfucking day, yeah. America, fuck yeah! Freedom is the only way, yeah. Terrorist your game is through 'cause now you have to answer to America, fuck yeah. So lick my butt and suck on my balls. America, fuck yeah. . . McDonalds, Wal-mart, the Gap, baseball, NFL, rock and roll, the internet, slavery, fuck yeah, fuck yeah. Starbucks, Disneyworld, porno, valium, Reebok, fake tits, sushi, Taco Bell, rodeo, Bed Bath and Beyond. Liberty, waxed lips, the Alamo, Band-Aids, Christmas, immigrants, Popeye, Democrats, Republicans, sportsmanship, books. America, fuck yeah. Comin' again to save the motherfucking day yeah. America, fuck yeah. Is that from the movie with Trey Parker and Matt Stone, or from these guys? "where danger is appears also that which saves ..." Friedrich Holderlin, 'Patmos' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #8 September 20, 2005 QuoteThe United States transfers more weapons and military services than any other country in the world thank you again for making the world a safer place So, you've been watching that Hollywood hype in the new movie "Lord of War", eh? Why do you presume that supplying arms to someone automatically makes it an evil deed? If a nation is under attack by enemies that would exterminate them, and in need of the means to defend themselves, then why would supplying that means of defense be evil? Shouldn't we fight evil? Or do you prefer to just let evil have its way on innocent people? Should we cease sending military aid to Israel, and let the Arabs exterminate all the Jews? Should we cease our military aid to South Korea, and let that whacko in North Korea invade and slaughter them? Should we cease our military aid to Taiwan, and let China take the island and return it to communist rule? Should we let Afghanistan revert to Taliban rule, and be a safe haven for terrorists who would kill us by the thousands on our own soil? Should we pull our troops out of Germany and make them more likely to be attacked by Russia? If a criminal gang was attacking your home to rape your wife and kill your children, wouldn't you want someone to give you a gun with which to defend your family? I think your view of our military aid is a bit uninformed and naive. The fact is, U.S. military might is the only thing keeping many parts of the world at peace from the ambitions of evil men. Oh, and why don't you have the courage of your convictions to identify yourself? Are you afraid to be associated with your own statement? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #9 September 20, 2005 You need to go see the Lord of War.. John is also still waiting for his own Rambo gun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #10 September 20, 2005 >Why do you presume that supplying arms to someone >automatically makes it an evil deed? Sometimes it is in retrospect. Supplying Al Qaeda's parent organization and Saddam Hussein turned out to be a bad idea. It is a good idea to be very careful about who we give weapons to. >If a criminal gang was attacking your home to rape your wife and >kill your children, wouldn't you want someone to give you a gun >with which to defend your family? Of course. It would be too bad if the US had supplied the criminals with flamethrowers, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eaglenrider 0 #11 September 20, 2005 Should we cease sending military aid to Israel, and let the Arabs exterminate all the Jews? __________________________________________________ Allah b be willing ! Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #12 September 20, 2005 Quote Why do you presume that supplying arms to someone automatically makes it an evil deed? If a nation is under attack by enemies that would exterminate them, and in need of the means to defend themselves, then why would supplying that means of defense be evil? Shouldn't we fight evil? Or do you prefer to just let evil have its way on innocent people? Are they...EVIL? evil doers perhaps? Yes, every nation that has been sold arms by our manufaturers has been the BASTION of good and happiness. In fact, the only reason we sell the weapons is to spread love and sunshine. That is total crap. Stop buying into the rhetoric. We have been selling arms to other nations FOR YEARS and I got news for ya, alot of them were/are not so great. America does not always fight a good/evil battle. Often, we fight a "what is good for America" battle. Not everything is split so easily into good vs evil, no matter what politicians like to say..Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #13 September 20, 2005 QuoteShould we cease sending military aid to Israel, and let the Arabs exterminate all the Jews? Should we cease our military aid to South Korea, and let that whacko in North Korea invade and slaughter them? Should we cease our military aid to Taiwan, and let China take the island and return it to communist rule? Should we let Afghanistan revert to Taliban rule, and be a safe haven for terrorists who would kill us by the thousands on our own soil? Should we pull our troops out of Germany and make them more likely to be attacked by Russia? Russia attacking germany? That is on the same laughable level as you actually thinking the US would be able to do anything about China invading Taiwan.... If you are going to use that line though. How many Tutsis were supplied weapons while they were systematically slaughtered by Hutus? Ohh, how about all the people in Darfur getting slaughtered and killed by the Janjaweeb, how many of those are you supplying arms to? The holier than thou and we do it for the good of the world attitude is both dilusional and sickening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites waltappel 1 #14 September 21, 2005 Quote Should we cease sending military aid to Israel, and let the Arabs exterminate all the Jews? __________________________________________________ Allah b be willing ! Blues, Cliff I think we would all be better off if they exterminated each other. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #15 September 21, 2005 Quote...That is total crap. Stop buying into the rhetoric. We have been selling arms to other nations FOR YEARS and I got news for ya, alot of them were/are not so great. You pretty much hit the nail on the head, Rob. Please forgive those who verbally rampage without thought.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #16 September 21, 2005 Quote....I think we would all be better off if they exterminated each other. Walt WoooooHooooo! Ain't it 'da truth! Ain't it 'da truth! But, then we'd be the sellers of mass extermination hardware. You can't win.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #17 September 21, 2005 >I think we would all be better off if they exterminated each other. And I'm sure a lot of people thought that about the USSR and us during the cold war. I personally think we'd be better off with less extermination overall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites waltappel 1 #18 September 21, 2005 Quote>I think we would all be better off if they exterminated each other. And I'm sure a lot of people thought that about the USSR and us during the cold war. I personally think we'd be better off with less extermination overall. I agree that we would all be better off if the hostilities simply stopped, but the tensions in the Middle East do not seem to be a solvable problem. I would be quite happy if the problem could be contained, e.g., if they were so busy screwing with each other that they would leave the rest of the world alone. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crozby 0 #19 September 21, 2005 QuoteYeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. I dunno, maybe you really can't see the hypocrisy of spouting crap like "ending tyranny in our world" whilst at the same time selling shitloads of weapons to questionable regimes, but it seems pretty fucking obvious to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #20 September 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteYeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. I dunno, maybe you really can't see the hypocrisy of spouting crap like "ending tyranny in our world" whilst at the same time selling shitloads of weapons to questionable regimes, but it seems pretty fucking obvious to me. Ah, yes...it's been happening for decades but it's all Bush's fault, damn him!!! Time to make a new tinfoil hat, Crozby...the mind rays are obviously getting through that one!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crozby 0 #21 September 21, 2005 QuoteThe fact is, U.S. military might is the only thing keeping many parts of the world at peace from the ambitions of evil men. Huh? The article states that 20 of the top 25 recipients of US military hardware are "either undemocratic regimes or governments with records of major human rights abuses". What's your point? That its ok to sell arms to lots of dictators and human rights abusers as long as you also sell them to a few democracies? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crozby 0 #22 September 21, 2005 QuoteAh, yes...it's been happening for decades but it's all Bush's fault, damn him!!! Umm, no. You still miss the point. Its pretty straightforward, let me break it down into the two key parts: 1. Bush says he will end tyranny. 2. Bush sells weapons to those inflicting tyranny. Its got nothing to do with what's been happening for decades unless you happen to think its acceptable that he says one thing and does another simply because others have done the same before him. Geddit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #23 September 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteYeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. I dunno, maybe you really can't see the hypocrisy of spouting crap like "ending tyranny in our world" whilst at the same time selling shitloads of weapons to questionable regimes, but it seems pretty fucking obvious to me. Ah, yes...it's been happening for decades but it's all Bush's fault, damn him!!! Time to make a new tinfoil hat, Crozby...the mind rays are obviously getting through that one! Honestly, he does have a point. He has not said it was all Bush's fault. And Bush DOES make blanket statements about fighting evil and ending evil, and smiting evil, beating up evil's mom, kicking evil's dog, and all that stuff while we sell arms to all sorts of people. Bush is not the beginning of weapons dealing, but he certainly tries to act like he is the opposite of what we ACTUALLY do. What bush SHOULD say is "We will fight tyranny and oppression...if it coincides with the interests of America..and even then, we may be morally abivelent about it." It is what we have been doing for years.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #24 September 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteAh, yes...it's been happening for decades but it's all Bush's fault, damn him!!! Umm, no. You still miss the point. Its pretty straightforward, let me break it down into the two key parts: 1. Bush says he will end tyranny. 2. Bush sells weapons to those inflicting tyranny. Its got nothing to do with what's been happening for decades unless you happen to think its acceptable that he says one thing and does another simply because others have done the same before him. Geddit? 1. Bush doesn't sell any weapons. 2. If you don't like the laws, then contact your Congressperson and demand they change them. From the article: QuoteThese three laws include strong wording about how U.S.-origin arms and funds should be used and by whom. But neither the FAA nor the AECA define exactly what qualifies as a "pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights." Thus, in many instances, the arms industry is able to follow the letter of the law, while violating the spirit of these eligibility criteria. Nonetheless, strict adherence to these laws would significantly curb arms sales and military aid to dictatorships, human rights abusers and countries in conflict. So yes, I geddit. It's all Bush's fault again, right? - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #25 September 21, 2005 QuoteSo yes, I geddit. It's all Bush's fault again, right? Are you seriously suggesting that the President of the United States doesn't have any input on who the US gives military aid to and who the US sells military weaponary to? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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crozby 0 #2 September 20, 2005 For the people who find clickys too much like hard work. Here's an executive summary of the executive summary: QuotePerhaps no single policy is more at odds with President Bush’s pledge to "end tyranny in our world" than the United States’ role as the world’s leading arms exporting nation. In 2003, the last year for which full information is available, the United States transferred weaponry to 18 of the 25 countries involved in active conflicts. In 2003, more than half of the top 25 recipients of U.S. arms transfers in the developing world (13 of 25) were defined as undemocratic by the U.S. State Department’s Human Rights Report When countries designated by the State Department’s Human Rights Report to have poor human rights records or serious patterns of abuse are factored in, 20 of the top 25 U.S. arms clients in the developing world in 2003-- a full 80%-- were either undemocratic regimes or governments with records of major human rights abuses. It doesn't surprise me that more arms are sold to nations that need them, than to nations that don't - that much is pretty obvious. But its always good to read something that reinforces the view that Bush is a hypocritical self-serving two-faced lying twat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #3 September 20, 2005 QuoteIt doesn't surprise me that more arms are sold to nations that need them, than to nations that don't - that much is pretty obvious. But its always good to read something that reinforces the view that Bush is a hypocritical self-serving two-faced lying twat. Yeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #4 September 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteIt doesn't surprise me that more arms are sold to nations that need them, than to nations that don't - that much is pretty obvious. But its always good to read something that reinforces the view that Bush is a hypocritical self-serving two-faced lying twat. Yeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. Course not. Everyone with any sense realized that arms dealing only started happening 5 years ago. duh. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #5 September 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt doesn't surprise me that more arms are sold to nations that need them, than to nations that don't - that much is pretty obvious. But its always good to read something that reinforces the view that Bush is a hypocritical self-serving two-faced lying twat. Yeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. Course not. Everyone with any sense realized that arms dealing only started happening 5 years ago. duh. Where's my chainsaw? I gotta clear some undergrowth to make way for them new rocket launchers. I betcha he gonna git a couple uh hunerd apeice fur em. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #6 September 20, 2005 For some reason I am reminded of the Team America theme song: ------------------------------------------- America, America, America fuck yeah. Comin' again to save the motherfucking day, yeah. America, fuck yeah! Freedom is the only way, yeah. Terrorist your game is through 'cause now you have to answer to America, fuck yeah. So lick my butt and suck on my balls. America, fuck yeah. . . McDonalds, Wal-mart, the Gap, baseball, NFL, rock and roll, the internet, slavery, fuck yeah, fuck yeah. Starbucks, Disneyworld, porno, valium, Reebok, fake tits, sushi, Taco Bell, rodeo, Bed Bath and Beyond. Liberty, waxed lips, the Alamo, Band-Aids, Christmas, immigrants, Popeye, Democrats, Republicans, sportsmanship, books. America, fuck yeah. Comin' again to save the motherfucking day yeah. America, fuck yeah. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites immanence 0 #7 September 20, 2005 Quote For some reason I am reminded of the Team America theme song: ------------------------------------------- America, America, America fuck yeah. Comin' again to save the motherfucking day, yeah. America, fuck yeah! Freedom is the only way, yeah. Terrorist your game is through 'cause now you have to answer to America, fuck yeah. So lick my butt and suck on my balls. America, fuck yeah. . . McDonalds, Wal-mart, the Gap, baseball, NFL, rock and roll, the internet, slavery, fuck yeah, fuck yeah. Starbucks, Disneyworld, porno, valium, Reebok, fake tits, sushi, Taco Bell, rodeo, Bed Bath and Beyond. Liberty, waxed lips, the Alamo, Band-Aids, Christmas, immigrants, Popeye, Democrats, Republicans, sportsmanship, books. America, fuck yeah. Comin' again to save the motherfucking day yeah. America, fuck yeah. Is that from the movie with Trey Parker and Matt Stone, or from these guys? "where danger is appears also that which saves ..." Friedrich Holderlin, 'Patmos' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #8 September 20, 2005 QuoteThe United States transfers more weapons and military services than any other country in the world thank you again for making the world a safer place So, you've been watching that Hollywood hype in the new movie "Lord of War", eh? Why do you presume that supplying arms to someone automatically makes it an evil deed? If a nation is under attack by enemies that would exterminate them, and in need of the means to defend themselves, then why would supplying that means of defense be evil? Shouldn't we fight evil? Or do you prefer to just let evil have its way on innocent people? Should we cease sending military aid to Israel, and let the Arabs exterminate all the Jews? Should we cease our military aid to South Korea, and let that whacko in North Korea invade and slaughter them? Should we cease our military aid to Taiwan, and let China take the island and return it to communist rule? Should we let Afghanistan revert to Taliban rule, and be a safe haven for terrorists who would kill us by the thousands on our own soil? Should we pull our troops out of Germany and make them more likely to be attacked by Russia? If a criminal gang was attacking your home to rape your wife and kill your children, wouldn't you want someone to give you a gun with which to defend your family? I think your view of our military aid is a bit uninformed and naive. The fact is, U.S. military might is the only thing keeping many parts of the world at peace from the ambitions of evil men. Oh, and why don't you have the courage of your convictions to identify yourself? Are you afraid to be associated with your own statement? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #9 September 20, 2005 You need to go see the Lord of War.. John is also still waiting for his own Rambo gun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #10 September 20, 2005 >Why do you presume that supplying arms to someone >automatically makes it an evil deed? Sometimes it is in retrospect. Supplying Al Qaeda's parent organization and Saddam Hussein turned out to be a bad idea. It is a good idea to be very careful about who we give weapons to. >If a criminal gang was attacking your home to rape your wife and >kill your children, wouldn't you want someone to give you a gun >with which to defend your family? Of course. It would be too bad if the US had supplied the criminals with flamethrowers, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eaglenrider 0 #11 September 20, 2005 Should we cease sending military aid to Israel, and let the Arabs exterminate all the Jews? __________________________________________________ Allah b be willing ! Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #12 September 20, 2005 Quote Why do you presume that supplying arms to someone automatically makes it an evil deed? If a nation is under attack by enemies that would exterminate them, and in need of the means to defend themselves, then why would supplying that means of defense be evil? Shouldn't we fight evil? Or do you prefer to just let evil have its way on innocent people? Are they...EVIL? evil doers perhaps? Yes, every nation that has been sold arms by our manufaturers has been the BASTION of good and happiness. In fact, the only reason we sell the weapons is to spread love and sunshine. That is total crap. Stop buying into the rhetoric. We have been selling arms to other nations FOR YEARS and I got news for ya, alot of them were/are not so great. America does not always fight a good/evil battle. Often, we fight a "what is good for America" battle. Not everything is split so easily into good vs evil, no matter what politicians like to say..Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #13 September 20, 2005 QuoteShould we cease sending military aid to Israel, and let the Arabs exterminate all the Jews? Should we cease our military aid to South Korea, and let that whacko in North Korea invade and slaughter them? Should we cease our military aid to Taiwan, and let China take the island and return it to communist rule? Should we let Afghanistan revert to Taliban rule, and be a safe haven for terrorists who would kill us by the thousands on our own soil? Should we pull our troops out of Germany and make them more likely to be attacked by Russia? Russia attacking germany? That is on the same laughable level as you actually thinking the US would be able to do anything about China invading Taiwan.... If you are going to use that line though. How many Tutsis were supplied weapons while they were systematically slaughtered by Hutus? Ohh, how about all the people in Darfur getting slaughtered and killed by the Janjaweeb, how many of those are you supplying arms to? The holier than thou and we do it for the good of the world attitude is both dilusional and sickening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites waltappel 1 #14 September 21, 2005 Quote Should we cease sending military aid to Israel, and let the Arabs exterminate all the Jews? __________________________________________________ Allah b be willing ! Blues, Cliff I think we would all be better off if they exterminated each other. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #15 September 21, 2005 Quote...That is total crap. Stop buying into the rhetoric. We have been selling arms to other nations FOR YEARS and I got news for ya, alot of them were/are not so great. You pretty much hit the nail on the head, Rob. Please forgive those who verbally rampage without thought.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #16 September 21, 2005 Quote....I think we would all be better off if they exterminated each other. Walt WoooooHooooo! Ain't it 'da truth! Ain't it 'da truth! But, then we'd be the sellers of mass extermination hardware. You can't win.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #17 September 21, 2005 >I think we would all be better off if they exterminated each other. And I'm sure a lot of people thought that about the USSR and us during the cold war. I personally think we'd be better off with less extermination overall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites waltappel 1 #18 September 21, 2005 Quote>I think we would all be better off if they exterminated each other. And I'm sure a lot of people thought that about the USSR and us during the cold war. I personally think we'd be better off with less extermination overall. I agree that we would all be better off if the hostilities simply stopped, but the tensions in the Middle East do not seem to be a solvable problem. I would be quite happy if the problem could be contained, e.g., if they were so busy screwing with each other that they would leave the rest of the world alone. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crozby 0 #19 September 21, 2005 QuoteYeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. I dunno, maybe you really can't see the hypocrisy of spouting crap like "ending tyranny in our world" whilst at the same time selling shitloads of weapons to questionable regimes, but it seems pretty fucking obvious to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #20 September 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteYeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. I dunno, maybe you really can't see the hypocrisy of spouting crap like "ending tyranny in our world" whilst at the same time selling shitloads of weapons to questionable regimes, but it seems pretty fucking obvious to me. Ah, yes...it's been happening for decades but it's all Bush's fault, damn him!!! Time to make a new tinfoil hat, Crozby...the mind rays are obviously getting through that one!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crozby 0 #21 September 21, 2005 QuoteThe fact is, U.S. military might is the only thing keeping many parts of the world at peace from the ambitions of evil men. Huh? The article states that 20 of the top 25 recipients of US military hardware are "either undemocratic regimes or governments with records of major human rights abuses". What's your point? That its ok to sell arms to lots of dictators and human rights abusers as long as you also sell them to a few democracies? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crozby 0 #22 September 21, 2005 QuoteAh, yes...it's been happening for decades but it's all Bush's fault, damn him!!! Umm, no. You still miss the point. Its pretty straightforward, let me break it down into the two key parts: 1. Bush says he will end tyranny. 2. Bush sells weapons to those inflicting tyranny. Its got nothing to do with what's been happening for decades unless you happen to think its acceptable that he says one thing and does another simply because others have done the same before him. Geddit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #23 September 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteYeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. I dunno, maybe you really can't see the hypocrisy of spouting crap like "ending tyranny in our world" whilst at the same time selling shitloads of weapons to questionable regimes, but it seems pretty fucking obvious to me. Ah, yes...it's been happening for decades but it's all Bush's fault, damn him!!! Time to make a new tinfoil hat, Crozby...the mind rays are obviously getting through that one! Honestly, he does have a point. He has not said it was all Bush's fault. And Bush DOES make blanket statements about fighting evil and ending evil, and smiting evil, beating up evil's mom, kicking evil's dog, and all that stuff while we sell arms to all sorts of people. Bush is not the beginning of weapons dealing, but he certainly tries to act like he is the opposite of what we ACTUALLY do. What bush SHOULD say is "We will fight tyranny and oppression...if it coincides with the interests of America..and even then, we may be morally abivelent about it." It is what we have been doing for years.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #24 September 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteAh, yes...it's been happening for decades but it's all Bush's fault, damn him!!! Umm, no. You still miss the point. Its pretty straightforward, let me break it down into the two key parts: 1. Bush says he will end tyranny. 2. Bush sells weapons to those inflicting tyranny. Its got nothing to do with what's been happening for decades unless you happen to think its acceptable that he says one thing and does another simply because others have done the same before him. Geddit? 1. Bush doesn't sell any weapons. 2. If you don't like the laws, then contact your Congressperson and demand they change them. From the article: QuoteThese three laws include strong wording about how U.S.-origin arms and funds should be used and by whom. But neither the FAA nor the AECA define exactly what qualifies as a "pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights." Thus, in many instances, the arms industry is able to follow the letter of the law, while violating the spirit of these eligibility criteria. Nonetheless, strict adherence to these laws would significantly curb arms sales and military aid to dictatorships, human rights abusers and countries in conflict. So yes, I geddit. It's all Bush's fault again, right? - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #25 September 21, 2005 QuoteSo yes, I geddit. It's all Bush's fault again, right? Are you seriously suggesting that the President of the United States doesn't have any input on who the US gives military aid to and who the US sells military weaponary to? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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GTAVercetti 0 #4 September 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteIt doesn't surprise me that more arms are sold to nations that need them, than to nations that don't - that much is pretty obvious. But its always good to read something that reinforces the view that Bush is a hypocritical self-serving two-faced lying twat. Yeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. Course not. Everyone with any sense realized that arms dealing only started happening 5 years ago. duh. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #5 September 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt doesn't surprise me that more arms are sold to nations that need them, than to nations that don't - that much is pretty obvious. But its always good to read something that reinforces the view that Bush is a hypocritical self-serving two-faced lying twat. Yeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. Course not. Everyone with any sense realized that arms dealing only started happening 5 years ago. duh. Where's my chainsaw? I gotta clear some undergrowth to make way for them new rocket launchers. I betcha he gonna git a couple uh hunerd apeice fur em. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #6 September 20, 2005 For some reason I am reminded of the Team America theme song: ------------------------------------------- America, America, America fuck yeah. Comin' again to save the motherfucking day, yeah. America, fuck yeah! Freedom is the only way, yeah. Terrorist your game is through 'cause now you have to answer to America, fuck yeah. So lick my butt and suck on my balls. America, fuck yeah. . . McDonalds, Wal-mart, the Gap, baseball, NFL, rock and roll, the internet, slavery, fuck yeah, fuck yeah. Starbucks, Disneyworld, porno, valium, Reebok, fake tits, sushi, Taco Bell, rodeo, Bed Bath and Beyond. Liberty, waxed lips, the Alamo, Band-Aids, Christmas, immigrants, Popeye, Democrats, Republicans, sportsmanship, books. America, fuck yeah. Comin' again to save the motherfucking day yeah. America, fuck yeah. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites immanence 0 #7 September 20, 2005 Quote For some reason I am reminded of the Team America theme song: ------------------------------------------- America, America, America fuck yeah. Comin' again to save the motherfucking day, yeah. America, fuck yeah! Freedom is the only way, yeah. Terrorist your game is through 'cause now you have to answer to America, fuck yeah. So lick my butt and suck on my balls. America, fuck yeah. . . McDonalds, Wal-mart, the Gap, baseball, NFL, rock and roll, the internet, slavery, fuck yeah, fuck yeah. Starbucks, Disneyworld, porno, valium, Reebok, fake tits, sushi, Taco Bell, rodeo, Bed Bath and Beyond. Liberty, waxed lips, the Alamo, Band-Aids, Christmas, immigrants, Popeye, Democrats, Republicans, sportsmanship, books. America, fuck yeah. Comin' again to save the motherfucking day yeah. America, fuck yeah. Is that from the movie with Trey Parker and Matt Stone, or from these guys? "where danger is appears also that which saves ..." Friedrich Holderlin, 'Patmos' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #8 September 20, 2005 QuoteThe United States transfers more weapons and military services than any other country in the world thank you again for making the world a safer place So, you've been watching that Hollywood hype in the new movie "Lord of War", eh? Why do you presume that supplying arms to someone automatically makes it an evil deed? If a nation is under attack by enemies that would exterminate them, and in need of the means to defend themselves, then why would supplying that means of defense be evil? Shouldn't we fight evil? Or do you prefer to just let evil have its way on innocent people? Should we cease sending military aid to Israel, and let the Arabs exterminate all the Jews? Should we cease our military aid to South Korea, and let that whacko in North Korea invade and slaughter them? Should we cease our military aid to Taiwan, and let China take the island and return it to communist rule? Should we let Afghanistan revert to Taliban rule, and be a safe haven for terrorists who would kill us by the thousands on our own soil? Should we pull our troops out of Germany and make them more likely to be attacked by Russia? If a criminal gang was attacking your home to rape your wife and kill your children, wouldn't you want someone to give you a gun with which to defend your family? I think your view of our military aid is a bit uninformed and naive. The fact is, U.S. military might is the only thing keeping many parts of the world at peace from the ambitions of evil men. Oh, and why don't you have the courage of your convictions to identify yourself? Are you afraid to be associated with your own statement? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #9 September 20, 2005 You need to go see the Lord of War.. John is also still waiting for his own Rambo gun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #10 September 20, 2005 >Why do you presume that supplying arms to someone >automatically makes it an evil deed? Sometimes it is in retrospect. Supplying Al Qaeda's parent organization and Saddam Hussein turned out to be a bad idea. It is a good idea to be very careful about who we give weapons to. >If a criminal gang was attacking your home to rape your wife and >kill your children, wouldn't you want someone to give you a gun >with which to defend your family? Of course. It would be too bad if the US had supplied the criminals with flamethrowers, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eaglenrider 0 #11 September 20, 2005 Should we cease sending military aid to Israel, and let the Arabs exterminate all the Jews? __________________________________________________ Allah b be willing ! Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #12 September 20, 2005 Quote Why do you presume that supplying arms to someone automatically makes it an evil deed? If a nation is under attack by enemies that would exterminate them, and in need of the means to defend themselves, then why would supplying that means of defense be evil? Shouldn't we fight evil? Or do you prefer to just let evil have its way on innocent people? Are they...EVIL? evil doers perhaps? Yes, every nation that has been sold arms by our manufaturers has been the BASTION of good and happiness. In fact, the only reason we sell the weapons is to spread love and sunshine. That is total crap. Stop buying into the rhetoric. We have been selling arms to other nations FOR YEARS and I got news for ya, alot of them were/are not so great. America does not always fight a good/evil battle. Often, we fight a "what is good for America" battle. Not everything is split so easily into good vs evil, no matter what politicians like to say..Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #13 September 20, 2005 QuoteShould we cease sending military aid to Israel, and let the Arabs exterminate all the Jews? Should we cease our military aid to South Korea, and let that whacko in North Korea invade and slaughter them? Should we cease our military aid to Taiwan, and let China take the island and return it to communist rule? Should we let Afghanistan revert to Taliban rule, and be a safe haven for terrorists who would kill us by the thousands on our own soil? Should we pull our troops out of Germany and make them more likely to be attacked by Russia? Russia attacking germany? That is on the same laughable level as you actually thinking the US would be able to do anything about China invading Taiwan.... If you are going to use that line though. How many Tutsis were supplied weapons while they were systematically slaughtered by Hutus? Ohh, how about all the people in Darfur getting slaughtered and killed by the Janjaweeb, how many of those are you supplying arms to? The holier than thou and we do it for the good of the world attitude is both dilusional and sickening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites waltappel 1 #14 September 21, 2005 Quote Should we cease sending military aid to Israel, and let the Arabs exterminate all the Jews? __________________________________________________ Allah b be willing ! Blues, Cliff I think we would all be better off if they exterminated each other. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #15 September 21, 2005 Quote...That is total crap. Stop buying into the rhetoric. We have been selling arms to other nations FOR YEARS and I got news for ya, alot of them were/are not so great. You pretty much hit the nail on the head, Rob. Please forgive those who verbally rampage without thought.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #16 September 21, 2005 Quote....I think we would all be better off if they exterminated each other. Walt WoooooHooooo! Ain't it 'da truth! Ain't it 'da truth! But, then we'd be the sellers of mass extermination hardware. You can't win.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #17 September 21, 2005 >I think we would all be better off if they exterminated each other. And I'm sure a lot of people thought that about the USSR and us during the cold war. I personally think we'd be better off with less extermination overall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites waltappel 1 #18 September 21, 2005 Quote>I think we would all be better off if they exterminated each other. And I'm sure a lot of people thought that about the USSR and us during the cold war. I personally think we'd be better off with less extermination overall. I agree that we would all be better off if the hostilities simply stopped, but the tensions in the Middle East do not seem to be a solvable problem. I would be quite happy if the problem could be contained, e.g., if they were so busy screwing with each other that they would leave the rest of the world alone. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crozby 0 #19 September 21, 2005 QuoteYeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. I dunno, maybe you really can't see the hypocrisy of spouting crap like "ending tyranny in our world" whilst at the same time selling shitloads of weapons to questionable regimes, but it seems pretty fucking obvious to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #20 September 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteYeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. I dunno, maybe you really can't see the hypocrisy of spouting crap like "ending tyranny in our world" whilst at the same time selling shitloads of weapons to questionable regimes, but it seems pretty fucking obvious to me. Ah, yes...it's been happening for decades but it's all Bush's fault, damn him!!! Time to make a new tinfoil hat, Crozby...the mind rays are obviously getting through that one!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crozby 0 #21 September 21, 2005 QuoteThe fact is, U.S. military might is the only thing keeping many parts of the world at peace from the ambitions of evil men. Huh? The article states that 20 of the top 25 recipients of US military hardware are "either undemocratic regimes or governments with records of major human rights abuses". What's your point? That its ok to sell arms to lots of dictators and human rights abusers as long as you also sell them to a few democracies? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crozby 0 #22 September 21, 2005 QuoteAh, yes...it's been happening for decades but it's all Bush's fault, damn him!!! Umm, no. You still miss the point. Its pretty straightforward, let me break it down into the two key parts: 1. Bush says he will end tyranny. 2. Bush sells weapons to those inflicting tyranny. Its got nothing to do with what's been happening for decades unless you happen to think its acceptable that he says one thing and does another simply because others have done the same before him. Geddit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #23 September 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteYeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. I dunno, maybe you really can't see the hypocrisy of spouting crap like "ending tyranny in our world" whilst at the same time selling shitloads of weapons to questionable regimes, but it seems pretty fucking obvious to me. Ah, yes...it's been happening for decades but it's all Bush's fault, damn him!!! Time to make a new tinfoil hat, Crozby...the mind rays are obviously getting through that one! Honestly, he does have a point. He has not said it was all Bush's fault. And Bush DOES make blanket statements about fighting evil and ending evil, and smiting evil, beating up evil's mom, kicking evil's dog, and all that stuff while we sell arms to all sorts of people. Bush is not the beginning of weapons dealing, but he certainly tries to act like he is the opposite of what we ACTUALLY do. What bush SHOULD say is "We will fight tyranny and oppression...if it coincides with the interests of America..and even then, we may be morally abivelent about it." It is what we have been doing for years.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #24 September 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteAh, yes...it's been happening for decades but it's all Bush's fault, damn him!!! Umm, no. You still miss the point. Its pretty straightforward, let me break it down into the two key parts: 1. Bush says he will end tyranny. 2. Bush sells weapons to those inflicting tyranny. Its got nothing to do with what's been happening for decades unless you happen to think its acceptable that he says one thing and does another simply because others have done the same before him. Geddit? 1. Bush doesn't sell any weapons. 2. If you don't like the laws, then contact your Congressperson and demand they change them. From the article: QuoteThese three laws include strong wording about how U.S.-origin arms and funds should be used and by whom. But neither the FAA nor the AECA define exactly what qualifies as a "pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights." Thus, in many instances, the arms industry is able to follow the letter of the law, while violating the spirit of these eligibility criteria. Nonetheless, strict adherence to these laws would significantly curb arms sales and military aid to dictatorships, human rights abusers and countries in conflict. So yes, I geddit. It's all Bush's fault again, right? - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #25 September 21, 2005 QuoteSo yes, I geddit. It's all Bush's fault again, right? Are you seriously suggesting that the President of the United States doesn't have any input on who the US gives military aid to and who the US sells military weaponary to? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Gravitymaster 0 #5 September 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt doesn't surprise me that more arms are sold to nations that need them, than to nations that don't - that much is pretty obvious. But its always good to read something that reinforces the view that Bush is a hypocritical self-serving two-faced lying twat. Yeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. Course not. Everyone with any sense realized that arms dealing only started happening 5 years ago. duh. Where's my chainsaw? I gotta clear some undergrowth to make way for them new rocket launchers. I betcha he gonna git a couple uh hunerd apeice fur em. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #6 September 20, 2005 For some reason I am reminded of the Team America theme song: ------------------------------------------- America, America, America fuck yeah. Comin' again to save the motherfucking day, yeah. America, fuck yeah! Freedom is the only way, yeah. Terrorist your game is through 'cause now you have to answer to America, fuck yeah. So lick my butt and suck on my balls. America, fuck yeah. . . McDonalds, Wal-mart, the Gap, baseball, NFL, rock and roll, the internet, slavery, fuck yeah, fuck yeah. Starbucks, Disneyworld, porno, valium, Reebok, fake tits, sushi, Taco Bell, rodeo, Bed Bath and Beyond. Liberty, waxed lips, the Alamo, Band-Aids, Christmas, immigrants, Popeye, Democrats, Republicans, sportsmanship, books. America, fuck yeah. Comin' again to save the motherfucking day yeah. America, fuck yeah. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites immanence 0 #7 September 20, 2005 Quote For some reason I am reminded of the Team America theme song: ------------------------------------------- America, America, America fuck yeah. Comin' again to save the motherfucking day, yeah. America, fuck yeah! Freedom is the only way, yeah. Terrorist your game is through 'cause now you have to answer to America, fuck yeah. So lick my butt and suck on my balls. America, fuck yeah. . . McDonalds, Wal-mart, the Gap, baseball, NFL, rock and roll, the internet, slavery, fuck yeah, fuck yeah. Starbucks, Disneyworld, porno, valium, Reebok, fake tits, sushi, Taco Bell, rodeo, Bed Bath and Beyond. Liberty, waxed lips, the Alamo, Band-Aids, Christmas, immigrants, Popeye, Democrats, Republicans, sportsmanship, books. America, fuck yeah. Comin' again to save the motherfucking day yeah. America, fuck yeah. Is that from the movie with Trey Parker and Matt Stone, or from these guys? "where danger is appears also that which saves ..." Friedrich Holderlin, 'Patmos' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #8 September 20, 2005 QuoteThe United States transfers more weapons and military services than any other country in the world thank you again for making the world a safer place So, you've been watching that Hollywood hype in the new movie "Lord of War", eh? Why do you presume that supplying arms to someone automatically makes it an evil deed? If a nation is under attack by enemies that would exterminate them, and in need of the means to defend themselves, then why would supplying that means of defense be evil? Shouldn't we fight evil? Or do you prefer to just let evil have its way on innocent people? Should we cease sending military aid to Israel, and let the Arabs exterminate all the Jews? Should we cease our military aid to South Korea, and let that whacko in North Korea invade and slaughter them? Should we cease our military aid to Taiwan, and let China take the island and return it to communist rule? Should we let Afghanistan revert to Taliban rule, and be a safe haven for terrorists who would kill us by the thousands on our own soil? Should we pull our troops out of Germany and make them more likely to be attacked by Russia? If a criminal gang was attacking your home to rape your wife and kill your children, wouldn't you want someone to give you a gun with which to defend your family? I think your view of our military aid is a bit uninformed and naive. The fact is, U.S. military might is the only thing keeping many parts of the world at peace from the ambitions of evil men. Oh, and why don't you have the courage of your convictions to identify yourself? Are you afraid to be associated with your own statement? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #9 September 20, 2005 You need to go see the Lord of War.. John is also still waiting for his own Rambo gun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #10 September 20, 2005 >Why do you presume that supplying arms to someone >automatically makes it an evil deed? Sometimes it is in retrospect. Supplying Al Qaeda's parent organization and Saddam Hussein turned out to be a bad idea. It is a good idea to be very careful about who we give weapons to. >If a criminal gang was attacking your home to rape your wife and >kill your children, wouldn't you want someone to give you a gun >with which to defend your family? Of course. It would be too bad if the US had supplied the criminals with flamethrowers, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eaglenrider 0 #11 September 20, 2005 Should we cease sending military aid to Israel, and let the Arabs exterminate all the Jews? __________________________________________________ Allah b be willing ! Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #12 September 20, 2005 Quote Why do you presume that supplying arms to someone automatically makes it an evil deed? If a nation is under attack by enemies that would exterminate them, and in need of the means to defend themselves, then why would supplying that means of defense be evil? Shouldn't we fight evil? Or do you prefer to just let evil have its way on innocent people? Are they...EVIL? evil doers perhaps? Yes, every nation that has been sold arms by our manufaturers has been the BASTION of good and happiness. In fact, the only reason we sell the weapons is to spread love and sunshine. That is total crap. Stop buying into the rhetoric. We have been selling arms to other nations FOR YEARS and I got news for ya, alot of them were/are not so great. America does not always fight a good/evil battle. Often, we fight a "what is good for America" battle. Not everything is split so easily into good vs evil, no matter what politicians like to say..Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #13 September 20, 2005 QuoteShould we cease sending military aid to Israel, and let the Arabs exterminate all the Jews? Should we cease our military aid to South Korea, and let that whacko in North Korea invade and slaughter them? Should we cease our military aid to Taiwan, and let China take the island and return it to communist rule? Should we let Afghanistan revert to Taliban rule, and be a safe haven for terrorists who would kill us by the thousands on our own soil? Should we pull our troops out of Germany and make them more likely to be attacked by Russia? Russia attacking germany? That is on the same laughable level as you actually thinking the US would be able to do anything about China invading Taiwan.... If you are going to use that line though. How many Tutsis were supplied weapons while they were systematically slaughtered by Hutus? Ohh, how about all the people in Darfur getting slaughtered and killed by the Janjaweeb, how many of those are you supplying arms to? The holier than thou and we do it for the good of the world attitude is both dilusional and sickening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites waltappel 1 #14 September 21, 2005 Quote Should we cease sending military aid to Israel, and let the Arabs exterminate all the Jews? __________________________________________________ Allah b be willing ! Blues, Cliff I think we would all be better off if they exterminated each other. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #15 September 21, 2005 Quote...That is total crap. Stop buying into the rhetoric. We have been selling arms to other nations FOR YEARS and I got news for ya, alot of them were/are not so great. You pretty much hit the nail on the head, Rob. Please forgive those who verbally rampage without thought.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #16 September 21, 2005 Quote....I think we would all be better off if they exterminated each other. Walt WoooooHooooo! Ain't it 'da truth! Ain't it 'da truth! But, then we'd be the sellers of mass extermination hardware. You can't win.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #17 September 21, 2005 >I think we would all be better off if they exterminated each other. And I'm sure a lot of people thought that about the USSR and us during the cold war. I personally think we'd be better off with less extermination overall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites waltappel 1 #18 September 21, 2005 Quote>I think we would all be better off if they exterminated each other. And I'm sure a lot of people thought that about the USSR and us during the cold war. I personally think we'd be better off with less extermination overall. I agree that we would all be better off if the hostilities simply stopped, but the tensions in the Middle East do not seem to be a solvable problem. I would be quite happy if the problem could be contained, e.g., if they were so busy screwing with each other that they would leave the rest of the world alone. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crozby 0 #19 September 21, 2005 QuoteYeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. I dunno, maybe you really can't see the hypocrisy of spouting crap like "ending tyranny in our world" whilst at the same time selling shitloads of weapons to questionable regimes, but it seems pretty fucking obvious to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #20 September 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteYeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. I dunno, maybe you really can't see the hypocrisy of spouting crap like "ending tyranny in our world" whilst at the same time selling shitloads of weapons to questionable regimes, but it seems pretty fucking obvious to me. Ah, yes...it's been happening for decades but it's all Bush's fault, damn him!!! Time to make a new tinfoil hat, Crozby...the mind rays are obviously getting through that one!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crozby 0 #21 September 21, 2005 QuoteThe fact is, U.S. military might is the only thing keeping many parts of the world at peace from the ambitions of evil men. Huh? The article states that 20 of the top 25 recipients of US military hardware are "either undemocratic regimes or governments with records of major human rights abuses". What's your point? That its ok to sell arms to lots of dictators and human rights abusers as long as you also sell them to a few democracies? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crozby 0 #22 September 21, 2005 QuoteAh, yes...it's been happening for decades but it's all Bush's fault, damn him!!! Umm, no. You still miss the point. Its pretty straightforward, let me break it down into the two key parts: 1. Bush says he will end tyranny. 2. Bush sells weapons to those inflicting tyranny. Its got nothing to do with what's been happening for decades unless you happen to think its acceptable that he says one thing and does another simply because others have done the same before him. Geddit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #23 September 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteYeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. I dunno, maybe you really can't see the hypocrisy of spouting crap like "ending tyranny in our world" whilst at the same time selling shitloads of weapons to questionable regimes, but it seems pretty fucking obvious to me. Ah, yes...it's been happening for decades but it's all Bush's fault, damn him!!! Time to make a new tinfoil hat, Crozby...the mind rays are obviously getting through that one! Honestly, he does have a point. He has not said it was all Bush's fault. And Bush DOES make blanket statements about fighting evil and ending evil, and smiting evil, beating up evil's mom, kicking evil's dog, and all that stuff while we sell arms to all sorts of people. Bush is not the beginning of weapons dealing, but he certainly tries to act like he is the opposite of what we ACTUALLY do. What bush SHOULD say is "We will fight tyranny and oppression...if it coincides with the interests of America..and even then, we may be morally abivelent about it." It is what we have been doing for years.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #24 September 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteAh, yes...it's been happening for decades but it's all Bush's fault, damn him!!! Umm, no. You still miss the point. Its pretty straightforward, let me break it down into the two key parts: 1. Bush says he will end tyranny. 2. Bush sells weapons to those inflicting tyranny. Its got nothing to do with what's been happening for decades unless you happen to think its acceptable that he says one thing and does another simply because others have done the same before him. Geddit? 1. Bush doesn't sell any weapons. 2. If you don't like the laws, then contact your Congressperson and demand they change them. From the article: QuoteThese three laws include strong wording about how U.S.-origin arms and funds should be used and by whom. But neither the FAA nor the AECA define exactly what qualifies as a "pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights." Thus, in many instances, the arms industry is able to follow the letter of the law, while violating the spirit of these eligibility criteria. Nonetheless, strict adherence to these laws would significantly curb arms sales and military aid to dictatorships, human rights abusers and countries in conflict. So yes, I geddit. It's all Bush's fault again, right? - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #25 September 21, 2005 QuoteSo yes, I geddit. It's all Bush's fault again, right? Are you seriously suggesting that the President of the United States doesn't have any input on who the US gives military aid to and who the US sells military weaponary to? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
billvon 2,990 #6 September 20, 2005 For some reason I am reminded of the Team America theme song: ------------------------------------------- America, America, America fuck yeah. Comin' again to save the motherfucking day, yeah. America, fuck yeah! Freedom is the only way, yeah. Terrorist your game is through 'cause now you have to answer to America, fuck yeah. So lick my butt and suck on my balls. America, fuck yeah. . . McDonalds, Wal-mart, the Gap, baseball, NFL, rock and roll, the internet, slavery, fuck yeah, fuck yeah. Starbucks, Disneyworld, porno, valium, Reebok, fake tits, sushi, Taco Bell, rodeo, Bed Bath and Beyond. Liberty, waxed lips, the Alamo, Band-Aids, Christmas, immigrants, Popeye, Democrats, Republicans, sportsmanship, books. America, fuck yeah. Comin' again to save the motherfucking day yeah. America, fuck yeah. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
immanence 0 #7 September 20, 2005 Quote For some reason I am reminded of the Team America theme song: ------------------------------------------- America, America, America fuck yeah. Comin' again to save the motherfucking day, yeah. America, fuck yeah! Freedom is the only way, yeah. Terrorist your game is through 'cause now you have to answer to America, fuck yeah. So lick my butt and suck on my balls. America, fuck yeah. . . McDonalds, Wal-mart, the Gap, baseball, NFL, rock and roll, the internet, slavery, fuck yeah, fuck yeah. Starbucks, Disneyworld, porno, valium, Reebok, fake tits, sushi, Taco Bell, rodeo, Bed Bath and Beyond. Liberty, waxed lips, the Alamo, Band-Aids, Christmas, immigrants, Popeye, Democrats, Republicans, sportsmanship, books. America, fuck yeah. Comin' again to save the motherfucking day yeah. America, fuck yeah. Is that from the movie with Trey Parker and Matt Stone, or from these guys? "where danger is appears also that which saves ..." Friedrich Holderlin, 'Patmos' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #8 September 20, 2005 QuoteThe United States transfers more weapons and military services than any other country in the world thank you again for making the world a safer place So, you've been watching that Hollywood hype in the new movie "Lord of War", eh? Why do you presume that supplying arms to someone automatically makes it an evil deed? If a nation is under attack by enemies that would exterminate them, and in need of the means to defend themselves, then why would supplying that means of defense be evil? Shouldn't we fight evil? Or do you prefer to just let evil have its way on innocent people? Should we cease sending military aid to Israel, and let the Arabs exterminate all the Jews? Should we cease our military aid to South Korea, and let that whacko in North Korea invade and slaughter them? Should we cease our military aid to Taiwan, and let China take the island and return it to communist rule? Should we let Afghanistan revert to Taliban rule, and be a safe haven for terrorists who would kill us by the thousands on our own soil? Should we pull our troops out of Germany and make them more likely to be attacked by Russia? If a criminal gang was attacking your home to rape your wife and kill your children, wouldn't you want someone to give you a gun with which to defend your family? I think your view of our military aid is a bit uninformed and naive. The fact is, U.S. military might is the only thing keeping many parts of the world at peace from the ambitions of evil men. Oh, and why don't you have the courage of your convictions to identify yourself? Are you afraid to be associated with your own statement? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #9 September 20, 2005 You need to go see the Lord of War.. John is also still waiting for his own Rambo gun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #10 September 20, 2005 >Why do you presume that supplying arms to someone >automatically makes it an evil deed? Sometimes it is in retrospect. Supplying Al Qaeda's parent organization and Saddam Hussein turned out to be a bad idea. It is a good idea to be very careful about who we give weapons to. >If a criminal gang was attacking your home to rape your wife and >kill your children, wouldn't you want someone to give you a gun >with which to defend your family? Of course. It would be too bad if the US had supplied the criminals with flamethrowers, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eaglenrider 0 #11 September 20, 2005 Should we cease sending military aid to Israel, and let the Arabs exterminate all the Jews? __________________________________________________ Allah b be willing ! Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #12 September 20, 2005 Quote Why do you presume that supplying arms to someone automatically makes it an evil deed? If a nation is under attack by enemies that would exterminate them, and in need of the means to defend themselves, then why would supplying that means of defense be evil? Shouldn't we fight evil? Or do you prefer to just let evil have its way on innocent people? Are they...EVIL? evil doers perhaps? Yes, every nation that has been sold arms by our manufaturers has been the BASTION of good and happiness. In fact, the only reason we sell the weapons is to spread love and sunshine. That is total crap. Stop buying into the rhetoric. We have been selling arms to other nations FOR YEARS and I got news for ya, alot of them were/are not so great. America does not always fight a good/evil battle. Often, we fight a "what is good for America" battle. Not everything is split so easily into good vs evil, no matter what politicians like to say..Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #13 September 20, 2005 QuoteShould we cease sending military aid to Israel, and let the Arabs exterminate all the Jews? Should we cease our military aid to South Korea, and let that whacko in North Korea invade and slaughter them? Should we cease our military aid to Taiwan, and let China take the island and return it to communist rule? Should we let Afghanistan revert to Taliban rule, and be a safe haven for terrorists who would kill us by the thousands on our own soil? Should we pull our troops out of Germany and make them more likely to be attacked by Russia? Russia attacking germany? That is on the same laughable level as you actually thinking the US would be able to do anything about China invading Taiwan.... If you are going to use that line though. How many Tutsis were supplied weapons while they were systematically slaughtered by Hutus? Ohh, how about all the people in Darfur getting slaughtered and killed by the Janjaweeb, how many of those are you supplying arms to? The holier than thou and we do it for the good of the world attitude is both dilusional and sickening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #14 September 21, 2005 Quote Should we cease sending military aid to Israel, and let the Arabs exterminate all the Jews? __________________________________________________ Allah b be willing ! Blues, Cliff I think we would all be better off if they exterminated each other. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #15 September 21, 2005 Quote...That is total crap. Stop buying into the rhetoric. We have been selling arms to other nations FOR YEARS and I got news for ya, alot of them were/are not so great. You pretty much hit the nail on the head, Rob. Please forgive those who verbally rampage without thought.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #16 September 21, 2005 Quote....I think we would all be better off if they exterminated each other. Walt WoooooHooooo! Ain't it 'da truth! Ain't it 'da truth! But, then we'd be the sellers of mass extermination hardware. You can't win.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #17 September 21, 2005 >I think we would all be better off if they exterminated each other. And I'm sure a lot of people thought that about the USSR and us during the cold war. I personally think we'd be better off with less extermination overall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #18 September 21, 2005 Quote>I think we would all be better off if they exterminated each other. And I'm sure a lot of people thought that about the USSR and us during the cold war. I personally think we'd be better off with less extermination overall. I agree that we would all be better off if the hostilities simply stopped, but the tensions in the Middle East do not seem to be a solvable problem. I would be quite happy if the problem could be contained, e.g., if they were so busy screwing with each other that they would leave the rest of the world alone. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #19 September 21, 2005 QuoteYeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. I dunno, maybe you really can't see the hypocrisy of spouting crap like "ending tyranny in our world" whilst at the same time selling shitloads of weapons to questionable regimes, but it seems pretty fucking obvious to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #20 September 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteYeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. I dunno, maybe you really can't see the hypocrisy of spouting crap like "ending tyranny in our world" whilst at the same time selling shitloads of weapons to questionable regimes, but it seems pretty fucking obvious to me. Ah, yes...it's been happening for decades but it's all Bush's fault, damn him!!! Time to make a new tinfoil hat, Crozby...the mind rays are obviously getting through that one!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #21 September 21, 2005 QuoteThe fact is, U.S. military might is the only thing keeping many parts of the world at peace from the ambitions of evil men. Huh? The article states that 20 of the top 25 recipients of US military hardware are "either undemocratic regimes or governments with records of major human rights abuses". What's your point? That its ok to sell arms to lots of dictators and human rights abusers as long as you also sell them to a few democracies? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #22 September 21, 2005 QuoteAh, yes...it's been happening for decades but it's all Bush's fault, damn him!!! Umm, no. You still miss the point. Its pretty straightforward, let me break it down into the two key parts: 1. Bush says he will end tyranny. 2. Bush sells weapons to those inflicting tyranny. Its got nothing to do with what's been happening for decades unless you happen to think its acceptable that he says one thing and does another simply because others have done the same before him. Geddit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #23 September 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteYeah that Bush. He's down there in Texas with a bunker full of munitions selling them to them A-rabs. Sumbitch we didn't have these kinds of problems before Bush took over the danged country. I dunno, maybe you really can't see the hypocrisy of spouting crap like "ending tyranny in our world" whilst at the same time selling shitloads of weapons to questionable regimes, but it seems pretty fucking obvious to me. Ah, yes...it's been happening for decades but it's all Bush's fault, damn him!!! Time to make a new tinfoil hat, Crozby...the mind rays are obviously getting through that one! Honestly, he does have a point. He has not said it was all Bush's fault. And Bush DOES make blanket statements about fighting evil and ending evil, and smiting evil, beating up evil's mom, kicking evil's dog, and all that stuff while we sell arms to all sorts of people. Bush is not the beginning of weapons dealing, but he certainly tries to act like he is the opposite of what we ACTUALLY do. What bush SHOULD say is "We will fight tyranny and oppression...if it coincides with the interests of America..and even then, we may be morally abivelent about it." It is what we have been doing for years.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #24 September 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteAh, yes...it's been happening for decades but it's all Bush's fault, damn him!!! Umm, no. You still miss the point. Its pretty straightforward, let me break it down into the two key parts: 1. Bush says he will end tyranny. 2. Bush sells weapons to those inflicting tyranny. Its got nothing to do with what's been happening for decades unless you happen to think its acceptable that he says one thing and does another simply because others have done the same before him. Geddit? 1. Bush doesn't sell any weapons. 2. If you don't like the laws, then contact your Congressperson and demand they change them. From the article: QuoteThese three laws include strong wording about how U.S.-origin arms and funds should be used and by whom. But neither the FAA nor the AECA define exactly what qualifies as a "pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights." Thus, in many instances, the arms industry is able to follow the letter of the law, while violating the spirit of these eligibility criteria. Nonetheless, strict adherence to these laws would significantly curb arms sales and military aid to dictatorships, human rights abusers and countries in conflict. So yes, I geddit. It's all Bush's fault again, right? - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #25 September 21, 2005 QuoteSo yes, I geddit. It's all Bush's fault again, right? Are you seriously suggesting that the President of the United States doesn't have any input on who the US gives military aid to and who the US sells military weaponary to? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
