wmw999 2,545 #1 September 20, 2005 I'm just starting the thread now to discuss the huge waste of money that the city of Galveston is starting by evacuating people when the storm isn't exactly close enough. It might not even come here, and all those people will have left their homes obviously abandoned. Just thought I'd get it started. After all, every bad outcome is the result of a bad decision. It is always exactly clear what the right decision is ahead of time. BTW -- I'd guess that some people who leave will lose their jobs because of it. I guess they just should have planned better, huh. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #2 September 20, 2005 I'm sure this will end up being Bush's fault, too....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #3 September 20, 2005 I dunno... I think erring on the side of caution is better than waiting until it's too late. I'm sure New Orleans and Mississippi really wishes they'd done so for Katrina. Maybe it's a day too soon, but I'd get out anyhow after boarding up the windows and doors."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #4 September 20, 2005 It's a very difficult call. Isn't there basically one way into/out of the island? How many people live there? How long would it take to do an orderly evacuation? Do they even know how long it will take?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #5 September 20, 2005 There are several evac paths, Hwy 146, Hwy 6, and I-45. I-45 being the primary method off the island prior to getting to the other two Highways to escape an approching storm. Leave late and you can plan on being in traffic for hours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amanduh 0 #6 September 20, 2005 QuoteI'm sure this will end up being Bush's fault, too.... HAHAHHAA!!! No crap, right! What I love is how US Citizens have obviously - somewhere down the path - lost sight of fending for themselves and always need a scapegoat. What I absolutely loved reading was an article the other day where the Mayor of Galveston stated that you should prepare to "FEND FOR YOURSELF" and not rely on the Government for this approaching hurricane. Evacuate when TOLD to do so, and not after it's too late. It's about time Americans start remembering how to take care of themselves and stop looking for someone to point blame on when they realize how dependant they are upon their government. *Edited to add: The city is preparing to help those without transportation to get out. They are thinking ahead and doing all they can to make sure everyone is safe. The Governor was just stating basically to use the options given to them when the time comes instead of trying to wade it out and then get upset when they are stranded. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #7 September 20, 2005 Quote Leave late and you can plan on being in traffic for hours. Having grown up in Baton Rouge, lived through Betsy (when I was very young), and personally witnessed what Camille did to Biloxi, I'd be leaving 48 hours before a cat 3/4/5 hit. I live in the NYC metropolitan area now. About 5 years ago, we had a tropical storm come through. There's nothing but shallow rooted trees all through this area. The TS made a _mess_ of the place. The main road I use from home to NYC was closed for 3 days, though MTA was running.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,076 #8 September 20, 2005 >HAHAHHAA!!! No crap, right! What I love is how US Citizens have >obviously - somewhere down the path - lost sight of fending for >themselves and always need a scapegoat. 99.9% of them did fend for themselves, a statistic often forgotten amidst all the hubbub. It's primarily the democrats and republicans, safe and sound behind their computer screens thousands of miles away, who need a scapegoat. Some people have a desperate need to pull someone down - Bush, FEMA, Nagin, Brown, whoever. They figure that if everyone but 'their guy' is covered in mud, they will look better. Meanwhile New Orleans is a mess. If every republican or democrat who bitched about someone screwing up put that effort into rebuilding New Orleans, the job would already be done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amanduh 0 #9 September 20, 2005 QuoteSome people have a desperate need to pull someone down - Bush, FEMA, Nagin, Brown, whoever. They figure that if everyone but 'their guy' is covered in mud, they will look better. Exactly (Agreed), I think one good thing came out of Katrina...it made a lot of people realize that the Govn't will not always be there for you. It's something that American's have taken for granted for years... QuoteMeanwhile New Orleans is a mess. If every republican or democrat who bitched about someone screwing up put that effort into rebuilding New Orleans, the job would already be done. Yup..once again agreed..but then again, what fun would that be? Don't we have to complicate everything to make it more 'media' worthy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #10 September 20, 2005 When does to early turn into to late? It's almost a catch 22 situation for elected officials. If they call an evac early AND the storm hits, they are heros. If they call an evac early, BUT the storm does not hit they are bumbling, overcautious bums. If they call it late and it hits they are negligent bums. They call it late and it misses they are ignored bums. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amanduh 0 #11 September 20, 2005 Maybe use your own judgement. Why rely on the officials to tell you what to do when it is your life, AND your family's life at risk...not theirs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #12 September 20, 2005 QuoteMaybe use your own judgement. Why rely on the officials to tell you what to do when it is your life, AND your family's life at risk...not theirs. Now that's a republican sounding statement if I ever heard one!!! Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #13 September 20, 2005 QuoteQuote Leave late and you can plan on being in traffic for hours. Having grown up in Baton Rouge, lived through Betsy (when I was very young), and personally witnessed what Camille did to Biloxi, I'd be leaving 48 hours before a cat 3/4/5 hit. I think we have a generation gap and people relocating to hurricane prone areas who cannot believe what a large storm can do. I used to fly over a large wooden boat that had a tree growing through it. This little "shrine" was about a mile north of the beach in Cameron. My passengers used to tell me about Hurricane Audry: dead relatives, sharing the top of trees with snakes, people on the courthouse roof, etc. One man was told to come up to the morgue at Lake Charles and pick up his daughter. He did and she was alive. Now they shut down the bars and get out of Dodge.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quatorze 1 #14 September 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteMaybe use your own judgement. Why rely on the officials to tell you what to do when it is your life, AND your family's life at risk...not theirs. Now that's a republican sounding statement if I ever heard one!!! republican, democrat... hell thats just good advice I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #15 September 20, 2005 Quote ...who cannot believe what a large storm can do... Also, most people don't realize that the force exerted by the wind varies by the square of the wind speed. There is a huge difference between a Cat 1 and Cat 3 and Cat 5. _HUGE_ I'd probably stay for a Cat 1, maybe even a Cat 2 (assuming I was out of storm surge). No way for any others. Time to get out of Dodge. Lock the doors, and leave. I will never forget one of my former bosses in NYC thinking about going to Disneyland as Andrew was approaching FL. He wanted to book flights into Orlando as soon as it cleared. His thinking - hey, the lines would be short at Disneyland, plus, once the hurricane is off the beach, there's nothing to it. He simply had no idea about hurricanes, none what so ever. I had to explain to him that hurricanes are about 3 states in size, and leave no power, etc. in their wake. A year or so later, his parents moved from Long Island to North Carolina, about 100 miles from the coast. Within the year, they were hit by a hurricane. Killed almost all livestock in their area, and it was a Cat 1 by the time it hit them. Like I said, they simply had no idea what a hurricane was.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amanduh 0 #16 September 20, 2005 QuoteNow that's a republican sounding statement if I ever heard one!!! Who meeee???? Quoterepublican, democrat... hell thats just good advice Thank you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #17 September 20, 2005 QuoteWhen does to early turn into to late? It's almost a catch 22 situation for elected officials. If they call an evac early AND the storm hits, they are heros. If they call an evac early, BUT the storm does not hit they are bumbling, overcautious bums. If they call it late and it hits they are negligent bums. They call it late and it misses they are ignored bums. No-one is forced to stand for election to high office. Those who choose to get on pedestals can expect to take some knocks, especially if they cultivate an aura of knowing what's best for everyone. It's a hard life. How are things in Houston, Jim?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #18 September 20, 2005 QuoteThose who choose to get on pedestals can expect to take some knocks, especially if they cultivate an aura of knowing what's best for everyone. Shoot, that applies to 90% of the people who post here. Quote If every republican or democrat who bitched about someone screwing up put that effort into rebuilding New Orleans, the job would already be done. by BV Here's a statement I can support fully. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #19 September 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteThose who choose to get on pedestals can expect to take some knocks, especially if they cultivate an aura of knowing what's best for everyone. Shoot, that applies to 90% of the people who post here. . Yes, and we all get whacked from time to time. But AFAIK, no-one who posts here has the arrogance to actually seek to lord it over others, we just write about it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #20 September 20, 2005 QuoteI'm just starting the thread now to discuss the huge waste of money that the city of Galveston is starting by evacuating people when the storm isn't exactly close enough. Yeah, but that's the way it's going to go for a while after Katrina. No one is going to want to be accused of doing too little too late. So even if it is a huge waste, it's CYA time - cover your ass. After a few dozen of these evacuations that turn out to be for nothing, people will get back to normal: ignoring what the public officials are recommending. Just another cycle of life. We swung one way too far and got slapped down for it. Now it's going to swing to the other extreme for a while. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #21 September 20, 2005 AT least after the big Galveston hurricane where so many died the people there did something about it. They raised the level of the city by dredging sand and building a seawall. But I guess they are worried about Rita being big enough to top that. I think that would be a VERY sensible thing to do in Narlins..... all the really low areas that have been destroyed... fill them in..with dredge spoils and move any remaining houses onto the top of new land once its raised higher than what a storm surge could ever flood the city again.. Leave the French Quarter alone since its already fairly high in comparison( did not flood) then the city would no longer need to rely on the levees. Just make the whole city one huge high levee. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivermom 0 #22 September 21, 2005 I live in Baytown (30 m east of Houston) and I'm kind of in a quandry myself. Should I make the 4 hour trip to SA to stay with Mom or wait out the storm with my husband? We won't stay in our house because we are too close to the bay, but my in-laws live further away from it and have a house that is more structurally sound. I'm definately taking the kids to SA after the storm as we will be without power for a bit. I would hate to leave tomorrow afternoon and then the dadgum thing hit somewhere else, but then again there's the old, very true saying. Better safe than sorry! Good luck to everyone and stay safe!Mrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivermom 0 #23 September 21, 2005 ***Just another cycle of life. We swung one way too far and got slapped down for it. Now it's going to swing to the other extreme for a while. __________________________________________________ Right on!Mrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivermom 0 #24 September 21, 2005 If every republican or democrat who bitched about someone screwing up put that effort into rebuilding New Orleans, the job would already be done. __________________________________________________ Compared to everything I've heard so far regarding the Katrina fiasco, THIS by far makes the most sense! Right on Bill!Mrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #25 September 21, 2005 ...so anyway...away from politics for a moment and back to hurricanes... There are people who left NO to go to Texas. If this doesn't give you a complex, nuthin' will. "The hurricanes...they are coming for me again...God hates me..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
