Darius11 12 #1 September 22, 2005 Hopping it is not true. They told me the Bush administration is trying to pass a special law so that the workers who are working to rebuild NO can be paid below minimum wage. If this is true it is a new low. Not sure that it is true or not wondering if any of you know any more about this. He told me it was on CNN last night and it has been all over Europe as well.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #2 September 22, 2005 A CURSORY look at cnn.com reveals nothing. Neither did a quick google search. But like i said, my search was very shallow.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #3 September 22, 2005 There would have to be a lot of Federal and state law overturned in order to do that. I'm not at all sure that it COULD be done, to be honest.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #4 September 22, 2005 Yea I couldn't find anything either. But the guy who told me is actually a republican and he was really pissed. So I don’t think he made it up but maybe he misunderstood the CNN report. Who knowsI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #5 September 22, 2005 I hope not Mike. That would be a really shitty thing to do. The contractors who have money make more money and the guys who will work to rebuild mostly poor locals get fucked.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #6 September 22, 2005 QuoteHopping it is not true. yep, a bunch of people will be hopping mad heh? i'm with mneal; i don't think that would even be possible without a mountain of paperwork and law changing/making."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #7 September 22, 2005 QuoteHopping it is not true. They told me the Bush administration is trying to pass a special law so that the workers who are working to rebuild NO can be paid below minimum wage. If this is true it is a new low. Not sure that it is true or not wondering if any of you know any more about this. He told me it was on CNN last night and it has been all over Europe as well. sounds more like a bush-hatin' rumor spreader to me (not your friend, but where ever they got it...) -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #8 September 22, 2005 QuoteHopping it is not true. They told me the Bush administration is trying to pass a special law so that the workers who are working to rebuild NO can be paid below minimum wage. If this is true it is a new low. Not sure that it is true or not wondering if any of you know any more about this. He told me it was on CNN last night and it has been all over Europe as well. It's true. Bush issued an executive order suspending the requirements for the Davis-Bacon act. references: whitehouse press release: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/09/20050921-2.html cnn: http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/08/news/economy/katrina_wages.reut/ Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #9 September 22, 2005 i just found a link FUCK. http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/08/news/economy/katrina_wages.reut/ QuoteWASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush issued an executive order Thursday allowing federal contractors rebuilding in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina to pay below the prevailing wage. In a notice to Congress, Bush said the hurricane had caused "a national emergency" that permits him to take such action under the 1931 Davis-Bacon Act in ravaged areas of Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi. The Davis-Bacon law requires federal contractors to pay workers at least the prevailing wages in the area where the work is conducted. It applies to federally funded construction projects such as highways and bridges. Bush's executive order suspends the requirements of the Davis-Bacon law for designated areas hit by the storm. Bush's action came as the federal government moved to provide billions of dollars in aid, and drew rebukes from two of organized labor's biggest friends in Congress, Rep. George Miller of California and Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts, both Democrats. "The administration is using the devastation of Hurricane Katrina to cut the wages of people desperately trying to rebuild their lives and their communities," Miller said. "President Bush should immediately realize the colossal mistake he has made in signing this order and rescind it and ensure that America puts its people back to work in the wake of Katrina at wages that will get them and their families back on their feet," Miller said. "I regret the president's decision," said Kennedy. "One of the things the American people are very concerned about is shabby work and that certainly is true about the families whose houses are going to be rebuilt and buildings that are going to be restored," Kennedy said. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #10 September 22, 2005 federal wages paid to federal employees is different then min wage ....Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #11 September 22, 2005 Quotei just found a link FUCK. i hope you're saying "FUCK" about the situation and not using that term to describe me... if you are using it to say something about me then i'll respond by saying that you better HOP that we never meet. "Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #12 September 22, 2005 Listen you fuck Man I suck at spelling dude. Hoping And hope You see if I stop and not type so fast I might get it right, but who wants to type slowI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #13 September 22, 2005 QuoteYou see if I stop and not type so fast I might get it right, but who wants to type slow good point... "Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #14 September 22, 2005 Quotei just found a link FUCK. http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/08/news/economy/katrina_wages.reut/ QuoteWASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush issued an executive order Thursday allowing federal contractors rebuilding in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina to pay below the prevailing wage. In a notice to Congress, Bush said the hurricane had caused "a national emergency" that permits him to take such action under the 1931 Davis-Bacon Act in ravaged areas of Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi. The Davis-Bacon law requires federal contractors to pay workers at least the prevailing wages in the area where the work is conducted. It applies to federally funded construction projects such as highways and bridges. Bush's executive order suspends the requirements of the Davis-Bacon law for designated areas hit by the storm. Bush's action came as the federal government moved to provide billions of dollars in aid, and drew rebukes from two of organized labor's biggest friends in Congress, Rep. George Miller of California and Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts, both Democrats. "The administration is using the devastation of Hurricane Katrina to cut the wages of people desperately trying to rebuild their lives and their communities," Miller said. "President Bush should immediately realize the colossal mistake he has made in signing this order and rescind it and ensure that America puts its people back to work in the wake of Katrina at wages that will get them and their families back on their feet," Miller said. "I regret the president's decision," said Kennedy. "One of the things the American people are very concerned about is shabby work and that certainly is true about the families whose houses are going to be rebuilt and buildings that are going to be restored," Kennedy said. No wonder I could find nothing about MINIMUM wage. I guess the idea is that since they can do it cheaper, contractors will work faster?Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #15 September 22, 2005 Quote They told me the Bush administration is trying to pass a special law so that the workers who are working to rebuild NO can be paid below minimum wage. prevailing wage is not min wage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #16 September 22, 2005 QuoteThe Davis-Bacon law requires federal contractors to pay workers at least the prevailing wages in the area where the work is conducted. It applies to federally funded construction projects such as highways and bridges. So if a person from a low cost of living area goes to work a highway project in a high cost of living area for a while (living in a trailer, etc, he will get a temporary raise. I bet it makes sense in many ways. Same as VHA in the military, you take a base pay and then supplement when you live in like California or Hawaii. In this case, I bet Federal most federal workers won't be living in NOLA, just camping out during much of the work. So I doubt this has much effect. And the locals get the 'prevailing' wage anyway by definition. It has nothing to do with "minimum wage." ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #17 September 22, 2005 in N.O. the "prevailing wage" is anywhere between 17 bucks all the way up to 30 + bucks depending on what they are doing... I say good job BushSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #18 September 22, 2005 Doesn't it also mean that any worker on a federal project (be they a local or from out of state) can be paid less than what workers for local companies would normally get for such work. Thus is it not the case that all people working on federally funded projects will be paid less than the normal going rate for their labour in that region? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricTheRed 0 #19 September 22, 2005 If it was really about saving $$ he wouldn't award no bid contracts. There has been a push for a long time to get rid of PV laws, this was just an excuse.illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #20 September 22, 2005 Have you ever worked with government contracting? Have any ideas of how long the bidding process can take, or the costs? Sometimes (not always, but sometimes) it ends up being much cheaper to directly award the contract to a company.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #21 September 22, 2005 QuoteThus is it not the case that all people working on federally funded projects will can/may be paid less than the normal going rate for their labour in that region? That sounds like a potential scenario. However, they can choose not to take those wages and do something else. My mistake was assuming someone on the Federal payroll has a current wage contract and would come in from outside, it doesn't consider hiring someone locally for the project. In that case, supply and demand should still dominate as long as the various governmental layers don't try to meddle. I see this as just removing a layer of meddling from the equation. So a positive move, not negative if you think about it. And it is our tax money - let's be fair according to the market demand for labor, not according to arbitrary legislation on wages. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #22 September 22, 2005 >And it is our tax money - let's be fair according to the market >demand for labor, not according to arbitrary legislation on wages. Personally, I think that if someone is paid so little they qualify for welfare, it a) increases your taxes overall and b) encourages reliance on the government. Wal-Mart does this, for one. Heck, they help their employees with applications for government financial assistance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #23 September 22, 2005 Quote>And it is our tax money - let's be fair according to the market >demand for labor, not according to arbitrary legislation on wages. Personally, I think that if someone is paid so little they qualify for welfare, it a) increases your taxes overall and b) encourages reliance on the government. Wal-Mart does this, for one. Heck, they help their employees with applications for government financial assistance. That's a general statement, and not necessarily involved with the specific topic of the thread. (also a digression to what you replied to in the post) However, I agree that people working in good faith certainly do need to be able meet a good standard of living without further feeding off the government trough - whether that includes adjustments for local specifics (or even, gasp, moving away until the local shortage drives cost of living down in the high cost areas). But this change has nothing to do with minimum wage requirements - which would still be in effect. If you disagree with the level of minimum wage being able to meet cost of living (basic needs) that's a completely different debate. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #24 September 22, 2005 QuoteSometimes (not always, but sometimes) it ends up being much cheaper to directly award the contract to a company. yeah especially when it goes to a contractor who has made some nice contributions to your campaign. We all know these "rules" are in place to get the lowest cost, it has nothing to do with kick backs, political favours or anything like that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #25 September 22, 2005 QuoteQuoteSometimes (not always, but sometimes) it ends up being much cheaper to directly award the contract to a company. yeah especially when it goes to a contractor who has made some nice contributions to your campaign. We all know these "rules" are in place to get the lowest cost, it has nothing to do with kick backs, political favours or anything like that Just can't let go of the hate, can you? *where's a rolling eyes icon when you need one?*Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
