Ron 10 #26 October 4, 2005 No, in fact I'd vote for Clinton first."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #27 October 4, 2005 >No, in fact I'd vote for Clinton first. Hey now. No veiled personal attacks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #28 October 4, 2005 Quote>No, in fact I'd vote for Clinton first. Hey now. No veiled personal attacks! Not an attack, a statement of my thoughts. While I dislike both Clintons very much, Bill Clinton had tact and diplomacy. Enough that while I didn't think much of his personal life he had very good skills in the political area. In fact Bill Clinton has earned my respect a few times since leaving office. So while I don't think Clinton was very honest or noble, he had good political skills and listend to people who had different opinions instead of trying to crush them. Bush Jr. could in fact learn a thing or two from Clinton about tact and diplomacy. A much criticized trait of Bush is not listening to others and thinking he knows whats best or "correct" all the time. This post will probley start shit....But any post asking what people think about another poster or particularly a Mod is sure to start trouble on some level if people answer it honestly. Edit: In fact I am surprized this thread was allowed to exist at all."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #29 October 4, 2005 QuoteNot an attack, a statement of my thoughts. I know it wasn't an attack; I was kidding. Sorry if I didn't make that more clear. Thanks for your thoughts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #30 October 4, 2005 QuoteI know it wasn't an attack; I was kidding. Sorry if I didn't make that more clear. Thanks for your thoughts. I already got in trouble with a Mod thinking I was making an attack on him....So I wanted to make damn sure that while I knew you were joking that it was not intended as an attack. But to answer in a word, "No, I would not Vote for Bill Von". To answer your question about what traits I think a President should have....Well I would like a President that had convictions and did what was right no matter what the fickle polls say....Bush is like that. Bush's poll numbers are going to continue to drop as more Americans grow tired of the war effort. Everyday the SAME Americans that supported the President at the start of these wars are going to switch sides. The rising cost of gas and the constant death toll will make the bandwaggon supporters switch. It happend in Vietnam, and it is happening here. When Nam started it was almost "Popular" and if you wanted to be a leader military service was almost needed. As the war drug on people switched sides and it became popular to oppose the war. The same thing is happening now. I would really like a President with convictions AND with the ability to do the right thinks without pissing everyone off. Not an easy task. So in my idea world we would have a noble guy with convictions that could work the system from the inside and get the same results without a bunch of BS. For this reason I could also never even run for President. I like to think I have the convictions, but I have very little tact. I wish at times I could be more like Clinton in the tact department.....Even though I get enough blowjobs now"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tso-d_chris 0 #31 October 4, 2005 QuoteWell I would like a President that had convictions and did what was right no matter what the fickle polls say I get the impression that Billvon has that kind of integrity. I agree with many of your observations, though, especially with respect to the wars. As much as I would like to believe that many people are starting to see what I consider to be the error of Bush's ways, it would be naive of me to believe that the bandwagon is not affecting some peoples' opinions more than any real critical thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #32 October 4, 2005 QuoteI get the impression that Billvon has that kind of integrity. I think he has several very good traits....But I also think he has others that would make him a poor choice. And I'll leave it at that. QuoteAs much as I would like to believe that many people are starting to see what I consider to be the error of Bush's ways, it would be naive of me to believe that the bandwagon is not affecting some peoples' opinions more than any real critical thought. The average person does not pay attention to the details of anything. I would LOVE to see numbers on how many people who voted actually read a paper once in a while or just watched a news report. A majority of people in my office had no clue about any of the issues other than what the political ads said. A very bad sign. "We are not educated well enough to perform the necessary act of intelligently selecting our leaders,"--Walter Cronkite I tend to agree and I wish more people would look past the political ads to see the real issues."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Ron 10 #30 October 4, 2005 QuoteI know it wasn't an attack; I was kidding. Sorry if I didn't make that more clear. Thanks for your thoughts. I already got in trouble with a Mod thinking I was making an attack on him....So I wanted to make damn sure that while I knew you were joking that it was not intended as an attack. But to answer in a word, "No, I would not Vote for Bill Von". To answer your question about what traits I think a President should have....Well I would like a President that had convictions and did what was right no matter what the fickle polls say....Bush is like that. Bush's poll numbers are going to continue to drop as more Americans grow tired of the war effort. Everyday the SAME Americans that supported the President at the start of these wars are going to switch sides. The rising cost of gas and the constant death toll will make the bandwaggon supporters switch. It happend in Vietnam, and it is happening here. When Nam started it was almost "Popular" and if you wanted to be a leader military service was almost needed. As the war drug on people switched sides and it became popular to oppose the war. The same thing is happening now. I would really like a President with convictions AND with the ability to do the right thinks without pissing everyone off. Not an easy task. So in my idea world we would have a noble guy with convictions that could work the system from the inside and get the same results without a bunch of BS. For this reason I could also never even run for President. I like to think I have the convictions, but I have very little tact. I wish at times I could be more like Clinton in the tact department.....Even though I get enough blowjobs now"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #31 October 4, 2005 QuoteWell I would like a President that had convictions and did what was right no matter what the fickle polls say I get the impression that Billvon has that kind of integrity. I agree with many of your observations, though, especially with respect to the wars. As much as I would like to believe that many people are starting to see what I consider to be the error of Bush's ways, it would be naive of me to believe that the bandwagon is not affecting some peoples' opinions more than any real critical thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #32 October 4, 2005 QuoteI get the impression that Billvon has that kind of integrity. I think he has several very good traits....But I also think he has others that would make him a poor choice. And I'll leave it at that. QuoteAs much as I would like to believe that many people are starting to see what I consider to be the error of Bush's ways, it would be naive of me to believe that the bandwagon is not affecting some peoples' opinions more than any real critical thought. The average person does not pay attention to the details of anything. I would LOVE to see numbers on how many people who voted actually read a paper once in a while or just watched a news report. A majority of people in my office had no clue about any of the issues other than what the political ads said. A very bad sign. "We are not educated well enough to perform the necessary act of intelligently selecting our leaders,"--Walter Cronkite I tend to agree and I wish more people would look past the political ads to see the real issues."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
