Sopheavy 0 #1 October 1, 2005 Has anyone heard of Jane Goodall? "She is the world's foremost authority on chimpanzees." Well, my editor just informed me that my photo assignment in a couple of weeks is going to be taking pictures of her during an event. I don't think it's a public event because it's at someone's house. But there's a problem, I can't use flash because her publicist told us that she hates flash. And it's going to be outside at night when she gives her lecture. I think that is a big bummer for me. Maybe I'll use it anyway and to heck with it if she gets mad. So does anyone have any questions you want me to ask her? I'm sure everyone there believes in evolution other than me which is usually the case of a lot of people I take pictures of.---------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------- If you want to see the rainbow, you gotta put up with the storm. God bless! :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #2 October 2, 2005 QuoteHas anyone heard of Jane Goodall? "She is the world's foremost authority on chimpanzees." Well, my editor just informed me that my photo assignment in a couple of weeks is going to be taking pictures of her during an event. I don't think it's a public event because it's at someone's house. But there's a problem, I can't use flash because her publicist told us that she hates flash. And it's going to be outside at night when she gives her lecture. I think that is a big bummer for me. Maybe I'll use it anyway and to heck with it if she gets mad. So does anyone have any questions you want me to ask her? I'm sure everyone there believes in evolution other than me which is usually the case of a lot of people I take pictures of. I think it would be extreme bad manners to use flash on someone who is known ahead of time to dislike it. She's not a movie star, she's a scientist - PhD from Cambridge.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 October 2, 2005 Jane Goodall is pretty darn famous in animal research and there are numerous books and documentaries about her and her work. If you go into the event with the attitude that you can just do whatever you want and perhaps with the attitude that maybe you can tork her off with a question about evolution, you're just going to be making an ass out of yourself. Better would be to do even the smallest amount of research yourself by Googling her name. She has a web site.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #4 October 2, 2005 QuoteSo does anyone have any questions you want me to ask her? I'm sure everyone there believes in evolution other than me which is usually the case of a lot of people I take pictures of. What a great learning opportunity, whether you believe in evolution or not. I'm envious. Sun Tzu said if you understand yourself and your opposition, your chances of victory were virtually certain. If you understand yourself or youe opposition, your chances of success were one in two. If you understood neither yourself nor your opposition, your defeat was certain. He was talking about war, but his Taist wisdom can be applied to nearly any aspect of life. My point is, even if you don't believe in evolution, you are no worse off for learning about it. What questions do you have about chimpanzees? They are know doubt fascinating creatures, whether we are descended of them or not. And you very possible will have the opportunity to ask the world's leading authority. Some free advice that may well not even be worth that: Resist any temptation to be antagonistic, with your questions, or your flash. Do research prior to attending to avoid asking a question to which the answer is easily accessable online, especially her website or Wikipedia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #5 October 2, 2005 This is interesting. I'm wondering if Goodall does not particularly like flash photography because it affects her night vision. This would tend to be a negative for someone who has a passion for observation. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sopheavy 0 #6 October 2, 2005 I'm actually very excited to meet her because this is a once in a life time opportunity. It's an intimate and small event at some rich folks house. I believe it is not open to the public and there will be a small group discussion too with her. My editor told me it is a very important event and I'm going alone which stinks! Actually,I am well aware of Dr. Goodall's research for a while but I wouldn't say I am an expert on her. Yes, every photo assignment I go to, I always research it first. I do care what she thinks about the camera flash. I'm not going to be rude but I will see and try to talk to her or her publicist about it. I've been to a lot of art exhibitions and they always tell me I can't use a flash but when I get there, I talk to the owners and explain the situation to them and they are undersstanding most of the time. I'm not planning to use the flash when she's lecturing but I would like to have a good posed shot of her and several other important people. Actually my editor is the one that's upset that a flash is not allowed and she told me to figure something out because she doesn't see any point in me going if I can't take good shots since it's going to be at night outside, duh. Afterall, the person hosting Jane personally called my editor and I was chosen to cover it. And also, I always make sure to get permission first. Fallrate, you brought up a good point. I am going to ask her why she doesn't like flash photography. Maybe she meant she doesn't like it when there's flashes when she's lecturing or showing a demonstration and I don't use flashes on those. I like what you said Chris about Sun Tzu's views. I'm always having to think twice before I say something on a lot of stuff while going to alot of events especially when a lot of people I have to associate with thinks religion is stupid and my editor believes in UFOs... One thing I find very amusing about some of the events I go to since I work for a fashion magazine is, watching people interact especially the socialites, sometimes I have to keep myself from laughing. And ahh yes, there's always good food and lots and lots of wine and champagne. I had a 3K bottle of champange the other week while hopping around town in a limo as part of my photo assignment to take pictures of these people and I rarellllllly drink but I had to try that!---------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------- If you want to see the rainbow, you gotta put up with the storm. God bless! :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 1010 #7 October 2, 2005 Quote ... I am going to ask her why she doesn't like flash photography. Maybe she meant she doesn't like it when there's flashes when she's lecturing or showing a demonstration and I don't use flashes on those. (edit: I thought you were looking for photog ideas on how not to use flash -- d'oh I guess not.) Seems like a very good question! Maybe she just doesn't like flash when she is with animals, and the "with animals" got lost in the mix. I recommend Kodak Portra 800 film, it pushes out to 3200 better than anything else (arguably). Have a pro lab develop it. If you don't have the super good F1.4/F2 lenses, this image stabilized 28-135 lens gets you another stop and a half worth of stability down from F3.8. Fuji has some 3200 out of the box, it'll probably be a flatter, greener, with much less red and slightly less blue than the Kodak, but I've never used it. If you are shooting black and white use this Ilford Delta Pro 3200 just take care to read the developing directions. And indoors at night you'll have to correct the temperature of the light. You can do this with filters or (I imagine - I haven't done it) in photoshop after the fact. Bring different filters to correct for different light sources (incandescent and florescent). (I use flash inside just to correct the color temp, I dislike mucking around changing filters when I could be shooting!) And lastly, if a full-blown tripod and remote shutter release isn't practicable, a monopod can also do wonders for stability. Don't know if this is what you were looking for or not, but hey it is free. You can have it good, fast, or cheap: pick two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sopheavy 0 #8 October 2, 2005 Thanks 1010 for your suggestions which are very good. I normally use 400 Kodak Clear Definition color when shooting. I will probably use 800 I guess. I normally use 800 for concerts. This is funny but I've never tried anything above an 800 but I need to one day. I really have no idea how the setting's going to be like. I have two filters that I use but mainly incandescent but I also hate messing with stuff like this when a flash is so much easier and plus it's fast. And what's even crazier if...I don't use photoshop mainly because I don't know how to use it and I don't have it. The magazine company I take pics for are strange....they prefer me to use film and I drop it off at the photo lab they have an account with. then they then take the pics and get their graphic artists etc and photoshop it if need be...strange why they don't like digitals in this modern world and they are a fashion magazine!!!! Thanks though! I will have to talk to you about film more later. Especially tungsten. I'm trying to test it out but right now it's sitting in the fridge for the longest. Also, I was cleaning out my closet the other day and noticed a box of TMAX 400 blk and white that's never been opened!!!!!!!!! I looked at the expiration date and it expiredd a year ago. 100 feet of film down the drain. might use it for fun shooting. have you used expired tmax before?---------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------- If you want to see the rainbow, you gotta put up with the storm. God bless! :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 1010 #9 October 2, 2005 >but right now it's sitting in the fridge for the longest. yea happens to me too. (Especialy since skydiving!) >Also, I was cleaning out my closet the other day and noticed a box of TMAX 400 blk and white that's never been opened!!!!!!!!! I looked at the expiration date and it expiredd a year ago. 100 feet of film down the drain. might use it for fun shooting. have you used expired tmax before? 100' roll, in closet ::sigh:: I don't know much about TMAX. What I read a few years ago that makes sense to me is that the consumer grade films were much more shelf- and room tempertaure-stable than the pro films, which are exactly ready to shoot at purchase and need to be in fridge until used. I don't know where TMAX fits in there. What I would do is go out and buy a new roll of TMAX and then shoot it along with a 24 exp from the 100 footer. Develop them the same, enlarge a print of the 100' roll, and if they look the same and no extra grain came in, go for it. I actually bought the filters (72mm ) for temp correction thinking I'd really need them badly if I ever did, but ended up using flash for everything inside. i shot a roll of tungsten film a couple years ago, and sure enough it works just like its supposed to! yea its funny how places don't like to change what works. Change is risky & scary, and I'd expect not a big upside to them. Let us know how it goes! You can have it good, fast, or cheap: pick two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #10 October 2, 2005 Quote"If you don't have the super good F1.4/F2 lenses..." This particular photographic dinosaur smiles smugly and glances at his Canon F1N & 85mm f1.2L! In all seriousness, I suspect the publicised hatred of flash is due to inappropriate & unexpected use of flash in the past. Why not approach her, introduce yourself & ask politely to take pics (with the flash prominently attached to your camera(s). The worst she'd do is say "No Flash". Regards, Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 1010 #11 October 2, 2005 > at his Canon F1N & 85mm f1.2L umm ... nice gear, How YOU doin? (it's OP /sopheavy's issue, not mine. ) You can have it good, fast, or cheap: pick two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #12 October 2, 2005 Hi Sopheavy, There's quite a few places who prefer film to digital. First there's the whole quality (or should I say percieved quality) issue. Second, there's what I call the "Fact Issue". A wholly digital image can be faked (or allegedly faked) from scratch while if the original is shot on film then there's an original reference to establish what was manipulated and what wasn't. As for film, I personally prefer the slower Fuji films, in particular their Velvia 50 & Sensia or Superia 100. Then again, for "people pics" my flashgun lives on my camera, the subjects are fully aware & I prefer 2 minutes of control over an hour of opportunism. Incidentally, who's writing the article? Given the opportunity, I like to see at least a draft of the article to get a feel for what sort of pics will best compliment it. Regards, Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sopheavy 0 #13 October 2, 2005 Quote Incidentally, who's writing the article? Given the opportunity, I like to see at least a draft of the article to get a feel for what sort of pics will best compliment it. reply] I work directly for the art and social editor so she does the write ups that I cover. Sometimes there's no write up but just pictures and names. You've got a nice camera, 85mm, pretty sweet. I have a nikon n90s, old camera. But I love my SB800 AF flash. Do you guys use the stroboframes brackets? I have the press t and I love that thing. It does wonders for me.---------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------- If you want to see the rainbow, you gotta put up with the storm. God bless! :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjames 2 #14 October 2, 2005 >So does anyone have any questions you want me >to ask her? About chimps in general I assume.. Question: Do recent published findings that gorillas in the wild have been observed using tools (as opposed to in captivity) reflect an evolutionary trait, or just lack of previous observation. "exit fast, fly smooth, dock soft and smile" 'nother james Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tigra 0 #15 October 2, 2005 I've studied her work. Groundbreaking. Isn't she the one who first observed chimpanzees forming and using tools? Also hunting monkeys in an organized fashion? What an amazing opportunity to meet someone like that. I certainly hope you respect her wishes about flash photography and find a way around it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,490 #16 October 2, 2005 QuoteAbout chimps in general I assume.. Question: Do recent published findings that gorillas in the wild have been observed using tools (as opposed to in captivity) reflect an evolutionary trait, or just lack of previous observation. Both. It also demonstrates a previously unobserved depth of mental sophistication. And Gorillas aren't Chimps.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #17 October 3, 2005 Good lighting can go a long way towards reducing the need for flash. Perhaps reconnoitering beforehand would be a good idea; might give you a better feel for angles and light levels. >So does anyone have any questions you want me to ask her? I'm >sure everyone there believes in evolution . . . Her expertise is more along the lines of chimpanzee behavior than evolutionary development. Perhaps reading some of her books beforehand might help you come up with questions. In the Shadow of Man is her first book; it's old but a good intro. Through a Window is pretty good too. Reason for Hope is basically a memoir that would give you a lot of insight into her. Some questions I might ask her: Does a chimpanzee's society have as much effect on chimpanzee behavior as human society seem to have on humans? In other words, do they learn social behaviors at a similar rate as humans? What's the best avenue to take towards a world where the human desire to expand can coexist with the natural world? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Channman 2 #18 October 3, 2005 Hey, Girl how is everything going? Not an expert on the subject of photograghy, but I'll toss this idea out there. So she does'nt like flashes, umm she must not like thunder storms either. What if you us 400 ASA black and white print film and push the ASA to 800 or 1600. Develop the film on your own in the schools darkroom where you can control the quality of the chemicals and the temps. Agitate the canisters slowly to avoid having grainy photos and don't forget to tap canister for bubbles. Smaller the print the better the quality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjames 2 #19 October 3, 2005 QuoteQuoteAbout chimps in general I assume.. Question: Do recent published findings that gorillas in the wild have been observed using tools (as opposed to in captivity) reflect an evolutionary trait, or just lack of previous observation. Both. It also demonstrates a previously unobserved depth of mental sophistication. And Gorillas aren't Chimps. Correct, chimps and gorillas are different species. The question was {supposed} to address Janes observations and studies regarding chimps use of tools and the new info regarding king kong's use of tools. Similarity, evolution..etc. I didn't understand the "questions" were supposed to be about photography Perhaps gaint squids, they are really different. "exit fast, fly smooth, dock soft and smile" 'nother james Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,490 #20 October 3, 2005 QuoteI didn't understand the "questions" were supposed to be about photography Yeah, I feel like a whuffo all over again with this tech speak. As soon as someone mentions F-stops my brain just drifts off.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #21 October 3, 2005 QuoteIsn't she the one who first observed chimpanzees forming and using tools? And also bashing each other's brains out in unbridled violence. Them monkey's ain't all as sweet and gentle as many nature-lovers would have us believe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #22 October 3, 2005 >And also bashing each other's brains out in unbridled violence. Which is the best evidence yet that their society is similar to ours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sopheavy 0 #23 October 3, 2005 Hey Channman, I'm doing great! How about you? I haven't been to any functions lately... Thanks to everyone for the tips, advices, questions, and comments. I am taking notes! Skyjames, Well, somehow it turned from being a Jane Goodall discussion....to Jane and photography too which I don't mind. ---------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------- If you want to see the rainbow, you gotta put up with the storm. God bless! :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest 1010 #24 October 4, 2005 Quote somehow it turned from being a Jane Goodall discussion....to Jane and photography too which I don't mind. ::somehow:: my bad glad you didn't mind, it is interesting to see what other people use for film etc. Let us know what happens. Ask her about her baboon research or something You can have it good, fast, or cheap: pick two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,490 #25 October 4, 2005 QuoteAnd also bashing each other's brains out in unbridled violence. Them monkey's ain't all as sweet and gentle as many nature-lovers would have us believe. Yes, Chimpanzee's can be vicious bastards, but that does not make them any less sophisticated, see Billvons comment. I'd like to know who exactly thinks that they are furry little angels? And monkeys aren't.... oh nevermind.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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skyjames 2 #14 October 2, 2005 >So does anyone have any questions you want me >to ask her? About chimps in general I assume.. Question: Do recent published findings that gorillas in the wild have been observed using tools (as opposed to in captivity) reflect an evolutionary trait, or just lack of previous observation. "exit fast, fly smooth, dock soft and smile" 'nother james Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #15 October 2, 2005 I've studied her work. Groundbreaking. Isn't she the one who first observed chimpanzees forming and using tools? Also hunting monkeys in an organized fashion? What an amazing opportunity to meet someone like that. I certainly hope you respect her wishes about flash photography and find a way around it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,490 #16 October 2, 2005 QuoteAbout chimps in general I assume.. Question: Do recent published findings that gorillas in the wild have been observed using tools (as opposed to in captivity) reflect an evolutionary trait, or just lack of previous observation. Both. It also demonstrates a previously unobserved depth of mental sophistication. And Gorillas aren't Chimps.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #17 October 3, 2005 Good lighting can go a long way towards reducing the need for flash. Perhaps reconnoitering beforehand would be a good idea; might give you a better feel for angles and light levels. >So does anyone have any questions you want me to ask her? I'm >sure everyone there believes in evolution . . . Her expertise is more along the lines of chimpanzee behavior than evolutionary development. Perhaps reading some of her books beforehand might help you come up with questions. In the Shadow of Man is her first book; it's old but a good intro. Through a Window is pretty good too. Reason for Hope is basically a memoir that would give you a lot of insight into her. Some questions I might ask her: Does a chimpanzee's society have as much effect on chimpanzee behavior as human society seem to have on humans? In other words, do they learn social behaviors at a similar rate as humans? What's the best avenue to take towards a world where the human desire to expand can coexist with the natural world? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #18 October 3, 2005 Hey, Girl how is everything going? Not an expert on the subject of photograghy, but I'll toss this idea out there. So she does'nt like flashes, umm she must not like thunder storms either. What if you us 400 ASA black and white print film and push the ASA to 800 or 1600. Develop the film on your own in the schools darkroom where you can control the quality of the chemicals and the temps. Agitate the canisters slowly to avoid having grainy photos and don't forget to tap canister for bubbles. Smaller the print the better the quality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjames 2 #19 October 3, 2005 QuoteQuoteAbout chimps in general I assume.. Question: Do recent published findings that gorillas in the wild have been observed using tools (as opposed to in captivity) reflect an evolutionary trait, or just lack of previous observation. Both. It also demonstrates a previously unobserved depth of mental sophistication. And Gorillas aren't Chimps. Correct, chimps and gorillas are different species. The question was {supposed} to address Janes observations and studies regarding chimps use of tools and the new info regarding king kong's use of tools. Similarity, evolution..etc. I didn't understand the "questions" were supposed to be about photography Perhaps gaint squids, they are really different. "exit fast, fly smooth, dock soft and smile" 'nother james Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,490 #20 October 3, 2005 QuoteI didn't understand the "questions" were supposed to be about photography Yeah, I feel like a whuffo all over again with this tech speak. As soon as someone mentions F-stops my brain just drifts off.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #21 October 3, 2005 QuoteIsn't she the one who first observed chimpanzees forming and using tools? And also bashing each other's brains out in unbridled violence. Them monkey's ain't all as sweet and gentle as many nature-lovers would have us believe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #22 October 3, 2005 >And also bashing each other's brains out in unbridled violence. Which is the best evidence yet that their society is similar to ours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sopheavy 0 #23 October 3, 2005 Hey Channman, I'm doing great! How about you? I haven't been to any functions lately... Thanks to everyone for the tips, advices, questions, and comments. I am taking notes! Skyjames, Well, somehow it turned from being a Jane Goodall discussion....to Jane and photography too which I don't mind. ---------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------- If you want to see the rainbow, you gotta put up with the storm. God bless! :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 1010 #24 October 4, 2005 Quote somehow it turned from being a Jane Goodall discussion....to Jane and photography too which I don't mind. ::somehow:: my bad glad you didn't mind, it is interesting to see what other people use for film etc. Let us know what happens. Ask her about her baboon research or something You can have it good, fast, or cheap: pick two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,490 #25 October 4, 2005 QuoteAnd also bashing each other's brains out in unbridled violence. Them monkey's ain't all as sweet and gentle as many nature-lovers would have us believe. Yes, Chimpanzee's can be vicious bastards, but that does not make them any less sophisticated, see Billvons comment. I'd like to know who exactly thinks that they are furry little angels? And monkeys aren't.... oh nevermind.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
