TheAnvil 0 #76 October 25, 2005 Not a backpedal at all, if you'd actually read my post and/or Bill's. With regards to idiot-boy Love Canal discoverer Gore taking the lead in inventing the internet, if you and Bill think that the internet would not have come about without Gore, then more power to you. I'm not familiar with the talking points you're speaking about, but if they're important for you, then that's just swell. I assume you're talking about Mr. Fitzgerald's current investigation into the Plame affair. I'm looking forward to hearing what Mr. Fitzgerald has to say. If anyone perjured themselves, I hope they are penalized and no longer working for the White House. If she was a covert employee and 'outed' I hope the person who did so is penalized as harshly as Mr. Sandy 'Pants' Berger. I'm wondering where you heard any conservative say otherwise - I haven't heard such. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #77 October 25, 2005 >if you and Bill think that the internet would not have come about >without Gore, then more power to you. No one is claiming that, nor did Gore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #78 October 25, 2005 Quote>if you and Bill think that the internet would not have come about >without Gore, then more power to you. No one is claiming that, nor did Gore. I hear the whoosh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #79 October 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteNo, I think the left wingers here are just plain partisan no matter what is really going on (though some are more eloquent than the typical screaming fits we are accustomed to see in the normal public faces) and the right wingers (here) tend to think through their positions and are more split in opinion as a result. These are rough generalizations and I'm sure some on both sides will cry that 'they' don't fit that mold - so be it. I disagree with that statement. I think it looks that way now because the situation dictates it. I think that opposition to the party in power is always more vocal and passionate about what is going on. Being in opposition breeds anger and fear which causes people to speak up. It is easy to stay quiet when you are the party in power and things are going the way you would like them to go. Lets face it, who were the vocal ones during the Clinton years? If you think back, you will find that during the Clinton administration, the right wingers were just as resolute and unwavering in their hatred for him as the left wing is towards Bush now. Either way, I don't think that would affect the polls. If that were the case, then the public polls would show the same result. So I still think the large swing from public opinion must be coming from the non-Americans. Nicely stated in that the 'opposing' party is generally more discontented and thus trends to a more partisan posture (and this really is where I agree instead of the specific overgeneralization I used in the first post that was a more 'today' specific example but less accurate than your note) - You guys are on to me ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #80 October 26, 2005 QuoteMaybe it's just easier to see the thought process of someone who basically agrees with you, and maybe it's easy to see the shadings of leaning in someone whose point of view you understand. Kind of like "all Chinese look alike" to Anglos, maybe all "lefties" look alike when you're on the right. And vice versa. I see far more shadings in the leanings to the left than to the right, but I have a feeling that's more a reflection of where I lean than reality. no - that's not it ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #81 October 26, 2005 QuoteIrony. You use partisan labels to label others as partisan. And than go on to say how much better thought out one group is than the other. Partisanship, by definition, is thinking one side is better than the other. Yes, it's a tasty bit of irony. Isn't it grand? Look above, I've clarified to be less partisan and more objective. That first reply really did nail it. Chris - I agree with your disagree. How about that? Wendy's is the only perspective I don't relate to, but it might have been accurate for other people. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #82 October 26, 2005 Then you'd agree that his leadership wasn't exactly critical to its development then, I'd assume. Perhaps if he'd stated that he, among other congressmen, took the lead in funding research that led to the internet's development and in establishing a legal environment where the internet could develop then Algore wouldn't have taken so much heat from the right. He was probably a bit tired. Discovering environmental catastrophes like Love Canal, trips to Buddhist temples, and drinking so much iced tea that multiple bathroom breaks are required during White House meetings really would take up much of one's time, I suppose. One really has to wonder why the thread digressed from GWB's job to '00 Election trivia. I figured leftists would just love the fact that I slammed GWB. Oh well. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #83 October 26, 2005 QuoteChris - I agree with your disagree. How about that? Flip-flopper! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #84 October 26, 2005 QuoteI'm not familiar with the talking points you're speaking about, but if they're important for you, then that's just swell. I assume you're talking about Mr. Fitzgerald's current investigation into the Plame affair. I'm looking forward to hearing what Mr. Fitzgerald has to say. If anyone perjured themselves, I hope they are penalized and no longer working for the White House. I now count 3 from the right who will admit that if anyone perjured themselves they must accept the consequences. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #85 October 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteChris - I agree with your disagree. How about that? Flip-flopper! nope, Tevas ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,032 #86 October 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteI'm not familiar with the talking points you're speaking about, but if they're important for you, then that's just swell. I assume you're talking about Mr. Fitzgerald's current investigation into the Plame affair. I'm looking forward to hearing what Mr. Fitzgerald has to say. If anyone perjured themselves, I hope they are penalized and no longer working for the White House. I now count 3 from the right who will admit that if anyone perjured themselves they must accept the consequences. Wow, that's a lot. Soon we'll need two hands to count them.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #87 October 26, 2005 >>Flip-flopper! >nope, Tevas LOL How was the birthday? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #88 October 26, 2005 QuoteNot a backpedal at all, if you'd actually read my post and/or Bill's. With regards to idiot-boy Love Canal discoverer Gore taking the lead in inventing the internet, if you and Bill think that the internet would not have come about without Gore, then more power to you. I'm not familiar with the talking points you're speaking about, but if they're important for you, then that's just swell. I assume you're talking about Mr. Fitzgerald's current investigation into the Plame affair. I'm looking forward to hearing what Mr. Fitzgerald has to say. If anyone perjured themselves, I hope they are penalized and no longer working for the White House. If she was a covert employee and 'outed' I hope the person who did so is penalized as harshly as Mr. Sandy 'Pants' Berger. I'm wondering where you heard any conservative say otherwise - I haven't heard such. I actually read your post and Bill's. What makes you think I didn't? You absolutely backpedaled when confronted by the facts regarding Gore's involvement in the creation of the Internet as it is now. How could you possibly say otherwise? Do you know what a talking point is? You seem to know how to regurgitate them pretty well. If you understood what they meant I am not sure you would be so quick to vomit them up so fast. You failed to comment on the quotes from Kay Bailey Hutchison. Why? I am happy to hear that you believe that perjury should be punished. Please direct me to the source of your version of the Sandy Berger allegations. I have read conflicting versions of the incident. If his alleged actions were properly documented he could have and should have been prosecuted. Allegations aren't facts. Given that no charges were ever filed, odds are there is little substance to the allegations. ShrubCo/Ashcroft would have prosecuted him if there was any truth to the allegations. There are plenty of "conservatives" who have been trying to spin PlameGate as "criminalizing politics" and "technicalities". Do you read any newspapers? Do you read any online news sites? Do you watch any TV news? Do you listen to the news on the radio? (Not talk shows, news) If the answer is "yes" then it is totally implausible that you "I haven't heard such". Maybe you didn't comprehend it, but you certainly heard it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #89 October 26, 2005 Try reading again - this time for comprehension. Not a backpedal at all, but if you think that it is, then good for you. I read the news every day - apparently you don't. Berger was tried, convicted, and sentenced - far too lightly. Then again, you'd have to read the news closely, as the Berger crime really didn't get that much press interest. You'd think such a conviction would be of interest to anyone seriously concerned about national security being compromised by the release of classified information. I'm actually really wondering what was in those pilfered documents. Perhaps some of them had Able Danger written on them. Perhaps not. We'll never know though, will we? From your post I now know that you WERE referring to PlameGate. Excellent. I'm looking forward to hearing what Mr. Fitzgerald has to say. I'm especially looking forward to hearing if Ms. Plame was indeed a covert employee of the CIA. It's never been substantiated to my knowledge. I read the news, listen to the radio, and read newspapers every day. If you did the same, you might have realized Mr. Berger is a convicted criminal. I haven't heard a single conservative state that perjury or obstruction of justice should go unpunished. Please, by all means, give us a source for such an allegation. While you're at it, please tell us why anybody who doesn't consider Mr. Berger's criminal pilfering of top secret documents a serious crime should be taken seriously when they claim that national security has been jeapordized by anyone who might have released the name of a CIA operative whose employment has never been shown to have been covert? Sweet dreams, and good reading - the linked article is from CNN, just for you. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #90 October 27, 2005 QuoteI'm not familiar with the talking points you're speaking about, but if they're important for you, then that's just swell. I assume you're talking about Mr. Fitzgerald's current investigation into the Plame affair. I'm looking forward to hearing what Mr. Fitzgerald has to say. If anyone perjured themselves, I hope they are penalized and no longer working for the White House. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I now count 3 from the right who will admit that if anyone perjured themselves they must accept the consequences. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wow, that's a lot. Soon we'll need two hands to count them. We are trying to keep it simple for you. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #91 October 27, 2005 QuoteWe are trying to keep it simple for you. Thanks, but, could you dumb it down a bit more for me? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flefly 0 #92 October 27, 2005 There is no box for ; He's the worst thing that has happened to the Planet / Human race in a long time. at least you can estimate where a tornado might cause destruction, with this guy at the controls who knows whats next. Bin Ladens probably camped in his basement, coz if he was caught and questioned, i don't think Mr. 'my eyes are definately too close together' Bush will want "the truth" to be made public. Now watch this drive..... He's seriously scary, in a real bad armageden type way."Message from the dark side, there is" Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #93 October 27, 2005 QuoteWe are trying to keep it simple for you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, but, could you dumb it down a bit more for me? I'd try, but I think the poster following you did a much better job than I could ever do...you know, on the dumb scale. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flefly 0 #94 October 28, 2005 QuoteQuoteWe are trying to keep it simple for you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, but, could you dumb it down a bit more for me? I'd try, but I think the poster following you did a much better job than I could ever do...you know, on the dumb scale. hehe anybody say nice shot.... ignorance is bliss eh **edited because God told me to do it....."Message from the dark side, there is" Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnnyskydive 0 #95 October 31, 2005 Bump Johnny Skydive! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
