JackC 0 #676 July 14, 2006 Quote]Well then, it's your turn to explain the concept of sin and the reality of death. Also explain how we as humans are the only creatures with a fear of death. I'm not talking about the self preservation of a gazelle runnning from a cheetah. I have to ask. How many animals have you personally interviewed to know that they don't fear death? Royd: Mr Duck, do you fear death? Duck: Well, that's an interesting question there Mr Royd. It's not that us ducks actually fear death, it's more like we have an unpleasant emotional response to the threat of high speed buck shot impacting ones arse when coming in to land after a hard days migrating. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #677 July 14, 2006 Do you belong to PETA? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #678 July 14, 2006 QuoteDo you belong to PETA? What's PETA? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
philh 0 #679 July 14, 2006 I am fully aware there are many words in hebrewe for kill. My whole point is that there are many words used in the bible and they are used interchably. Just as in English , to say Kennedy was assasinated is the same as to say he was murdered by a marksman, different words same meaning. Your defense relies on the fact that ratsach is only used to refer to unlawful killing . But since I have given you examples within the bible of this not being so, you still have not given any decent refutation of my point. Why is this contradictory? Simple, the bible says dont kill and then says kill, that is a contradiction. The bible, being written by fallible human beings, contains there same flaws. Just as most people say it is worng to lie and then they lie, so the bible contains similar contradictions. "Disregarding whether or not it was justified or not in the case of the Canaanites, how is yours not a racist statement? Germans were responsible for the Holocaust. Should we not trust them as a people? " I think you misunderstood my statement. Im not suggesting everyhting the biblical Hebrews say is a lie. What I am saying is that the propaganda of the Bebrews scribes at that time is not accurate way to asses the practises of their sworn enemies. Just as I would not trust German war time proganda, doesnt I mean I would never trsut a German person. I would think its pretty obvious that when a tribe commits genocide against another tribe their justification for doing so should be questioned a bit more than you are doing. "I’m not making this up. I’m just stating what the Bible says about God. " well of course the bible sasy god is perfect, again you have to see through the proaganda. i could say I am perfect,would that make it so? Re Hosea, you argument is utterly irrelevant. The fact is you said the adultury was this outrageous sin that indeed is punishable by death in the OT and yet here is god commanding Hosea being commanded to take an adulteress as a wife. your comment about god sending them a delusion. You can give us any eason you like why he might do this Its irrelvant,the fact is god does/wil act deceptively so you cannot claim he never lies. He might do it for good purpose, but thats not the point. "God is expressing his authority over everything. Darkness in this passage has nothing to do with wickedness" whos talking about darkness/ it says very clearly in the bible that god creates evil. not the devil, not us, but god. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #680 July 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteDo you belong to PETA? What's PETA? I'm a member of PETA!!! People Eating Tasty Animals. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #681 July 14, 2006 Quote The Holy Spirit helps with understanding God's word. Yes, I believe the Holy Spirit even helps us know which part of the Bible is literal, metaphorical,etc. Without the Holy Spirit, it is hard to understand the Bible. I totally agree!There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #682 July 14, 2006 QuoteYour defense relies on the fact that ratsach is only used to refer to unlawful killing . I don’t know what you’re talking about dude. I’ve posted the following for the past several posts. “Nearly always refers to intentional killing without cause unless indicated otherwise by context.” I’ve even posted other words that can mean to kill. I’m not saying that ratsach is only used to refer to unlawful killing. As with anything, context is everything. I think I’ve adequately refuted your supposed verse contradictions with much more convincing detail and accuracy. I’m sure you’re not convinced nor will you ever be. I guess I’ll just have to leave it at that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hairyjuan 0 #683 July 14, 2006 what a joke, everyone of those "non-biblical" sources are PROVEN FORGERIES, AS FAR BACK AS 1700 YEARS AGO. you prove one thing and one thing only, your lack of knowledge. omniscient-knows everything,past-present-future omnipresent-everywhere all the time, past,present-future omnipotent- all-powerful(controls everything)past-present-future-good-evil these are the basic definitions of those words- proving again that you have no knowlegde of what those words mean read these books: The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviours Kersey Graves ISBN 0-932813-95-X The Dark Side of Christian History Helen Ellerbe ISBN 0-9644873-4-9 Reincarnation: The Missing Link in Christianity ISBN 0-922729-27-1 THEN AND ONLY THEN will you have an intelligent contribution to the discussion on this thread(I'm not a Chretian(idiot)-Christian...and PROUD of it! Nothing is different about RELIGION, since this book was written! The last time a 'witch was executed by Protestants was only 20-30 years ago.we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #684 July 14, 2006 You know what, bot? I'm starting to get an idea. I'll just put it out there that maybe you aren't the biggest fan of organized religion. Maybe even the personal kind too. But hey, it's just an impression. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #685 July 14, 2006 Wow! Where do you come from? Your posts are entertaining. I'll give you that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #686 July 14, 2006 QuoteI don't want to argue, but I wanted to make a comment about knowing the truth in the Bible. The Holy Spirit helps with understanding God's word. Yes, I believe the Holy Spirit even helps us know which part of the Bible is literal, metaphorical,etc. Without the Holy Spirit, it is hard to understand the Bible. Considering the number of interpretions different people have about the meaning of the bible, it seems that the holy spirit isn't very consistent. I'll bet that if you asked a number of people for their interpretation of War and Peace you'd end up with a similar distribution. So what your holy spirit really boils down to is you read a bit, then let it slosh about in your unconcious for a while until a nugget you particularly like floats to the surface and bingo... that's what it means. Does the holy spirit help in understanding user manuals? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #687 July 14, 2006 QuoteYou know what, bot? I'm starting to get an idea. I'll just put it out there that maybe you aren't the biggest fan of organized religion. Maybe even the personal kind too. But hey, it's just an impression. I think hairyjuan is the antichrist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #688 July 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou know what, bot? I'm starting to get an idea. I'll just put it out there that maybe you aren't the biggest fan of organized religion. Maybe even the personal kind too. But hey, it's just an impression. I think hairyjuan is the antichrist. no, no, no that's still in contention. We haven't even totally defined the quasi-semi-antiChrist, nor the anti-Bob, nor the anti-FSM ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #689 July 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteI think hairyjuan is the antichrist. no, no, no that's still in contention. We haven't even totally defined the quasi-semi-antiChrist, nor the anti-Bob, nor the anti-FSM You're right. Never mind. The antichrist is supposed to come as a very intelligent, charismatic, and persuasive person. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #690 July 14, 2006 QuoteYou're right. Never mind. The antichrist is supposed to come as a very intelligent, charismatic, and persuasive person. clever, but you're not normally petty like that comment. He must be getting to you ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #691 July 14, 2006 and hairyjuan would have his URL inscribed on everyone's hand & forehead. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #692 July 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou're right. Never mind. The antichrist is supposed to come as a very intelligent, charismatic, and persuasive person. clever, but you're not normally petty like that comment. He must be getting to you ...Make it stop! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hairyjuan 0 #693 July 14, 2006 the things I AM I are not: a bot; the antichrist; a chretian(idiot)-christian the thing I AM I is: I am whole, strong, perfect, loving, harmonious and happy! stop 'believing' the lies of the bible and you can make a worthwhile contribution to mankind, instead of enslaving the minds of the peoplewe are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #694 July 14, 2006 I guess since you are "perfect", everyone should listen to you. Maybe you should start your own religion. Hairyjuanism. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #695 July 14, 2006 Quotethe things I AM I are not: a bot; the antichrist; a chretian(idiot)-christian Sorry dude. My comment was petty. Quotethe thing I AM I is: I am whole, strong, perfect, loving, harmonious and happy! Have you ever lied, stolen, hated, etc? That kind of punches holes in all of that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #696 July 14, 2006 QuoteTHEN AND ONLY THEN will you have an intelligent contribution to the discussion on this thread(I'm not a Chretian(idiot)-Christian...and PROUD of it!. Emphasis mine -- uh, no personal attacks. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #697 July 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou're right. Never mind. The antichrist is supposed to come as a very intelligent, charismatic, and persuasive person. clever, but you're not normally petty like that comment. He must be getting to you Why was that petty? It's true, the Antichrist IS supposed to be very charming and persuasive to lead folks astray. Hairyjuan is not charismatic, more enigmatic, and anti-dogmatic. He is also not very persuasive, just very persistent and invested in his own viewpoint. Finally, he's not leading anyone anywhere, but he's also not completely off the mark. He just has some issues to deal with about the way the rest of the world tries to conclude that it too wants to be happy and harmonious and perfect. Unless I'm totally missing something... you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #698 July 14, 2006 QuoteQuotethe thing I AM I is: I am whole, strong, perfect, loving, harmonious and happy! Have you ever lied, stolen, hated, etc? That kind of punches holes in all of that. Why would you say something like that? I think if you're trying to be all those things, lying, stealing and hating are not your MO, and if you do slip, God will forgive if you ask for it. It is our lot in life to "sin", which is a bullshit concept anyway. Telling people why you think they're not "perfect", in your eyes or God's, is not your job. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hairyjuan 0 #699 July 14, 2006 CHRISTIAN FASCISM MT. 12:36-37 JN. 15:14 ROMANS 13: 1-7 1 PET. 2:17 TITUS 3: 1 HEBREWS 13:17 MT 22:21 1 COR. 5:12-13 www.truthbeknown.com www.tbknews.blogspot.com go to the blog and read "Embecilic Religion"we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #700 July 14, 2006 "loquacious" is a funny word ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
