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wishers never choose, choosers never wish
wishers never choose, choosers never wish
billyg23 0
Ah yes....i haven't read all the other posts but i am slightly conversant with the idea that the 25th of Dec is actually the celebration of the birth of the sun god etc etc....
heres my $50 dollars on religion.
Religion, no matter which one is purely humankind's interpretation of nothing more than it's desire to express that which it doesn't understand.
The interpretations are so widely varied that there is something for almost everyone.
I for one have no set faith but i do believe in some greater power.
This is how i view things.
I am not a Christian.....and i am not really proud OR not proud of it....i just kinda got my own ideas and not really bothered by it all........remember what happens when people squabble about religion?? One half of my family is English protestant and the other half is Irish Catholic....i am sure i dont have to remind you lot.
heres my $50 dollars on religion.
Religion, no matter which one is purely humankind's interpretation of nothing more than it's desire to express that which it doesn't understand.
The interpretations are so widely varied that there is something for almost everyone.
I for one have no set faith but i do believe in some greater power.
This is how i view things.
I am not a Christian.....and i am not really proud OR not proud of it....i just kinda got my own ideas and not really bothered by it all........remember what happens when people squabble about religion?? One half of my family is English protestant and the other half is Irish Catholic....i am sure i dont have to remind you lot.
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I AM THE ATMOSPHERE HOOLIGAN
I AM THE ATMOSPHERE HOOLIGAN
MarkR 0
QuoteAlthough- religion helped keeped order among the peasants in the mediaval times.!!!
Uh, yeah. Through intimidation. Beheadings, the Grand Inquisition, burning of witches...
For an institution claiming to know it all, the Church sure had to adjust quite a few of its teaching. I mean, after all, the earth is flat and - as we all know - the center of the universe and stuff...
Amen.
»Somewhere between the lies and truths borderlines get shady.
Somewhere between the yesses and nos you can find the maybe.«
Somewhere between the yesses and nos you can find the maybe.«
bch7773 0
I'm Agnostic... and I don't know if I'm proud of it or not.
MB 3528, RB 1182
MB 3528, RB 1182
I am a failed catholic.
billyg23 0
I went to a Catholic school....if you knew me....that would make a lot of sense to you!
oh yea.....i failed at Catholicism miserably .......i was too busy (................censored................) as a youngster
oh yea.....i failed at Catholicism miserably .......i was too busy (................censored................) as a youngster
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I AM THE ATMOSPHERE HOOLIGAN
I AM THE ATMOSPHERE HOOLIGAN
rhys 0
woo hoo my old can of worms. only 4500 more posts and its beating the 'For' debator.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix
pajarito 0
QuoteUh, yeah. Through intimidation. Beheadings, the Grand Inquisition, burning of witches...
QuoteIt is true that man has used religion for political gain. Hitler had "God with us" engraved on the belts of Nazi soldiers. America said, "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition." The law may even allow you to start the Christian Nazi Party, if you so desire. You can become a "reverend" for a few dollars through the tabloid classifieds and then further your political agenda with the world's blessing, no matter how much it smears the name of Christ. If Jesus told His followers to love their enemies, and someone puts a knife into someone's back in the name of Christianity, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that something isn't quite right. If we human beings can detect it, how much more will God? He will deal with it on Judgment Day.
QuoteFor an institution claiming to know it all, the Church sure had to adjust quite a few of its teaching. I mean, after all, the earth is flat and - as we all know - the center of the universe and stuff...
***The Bible reveals that the Earth is Round
The Scriptures tell us that the earth is round: “It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth” (Isaiah 40:22). The word translated “circle” here is the Hebrew word chuwg, which is also translated “circuit” or “compass” (depending on the context). That is, it indicates something spherical, rounded, or arched—not something that is flat or square. The book of Isaiah was written sometime between 740 and 680
B.C. This is at least 300 years before Aristotle suggested, in his book On the Heavens, that
the earth might be a sphere. It was another 2,000 years later (at a time when science believed
that the earth was flat) that the Scriptures inspired Christopher Columbus to sail around the world.
Um, nobody believed that the Earth was flat in Columbus' time (late 15th century).QuoteIt was another 2,000 years later (at a time when science believed
that the earth was flat) that the Scriptures inspired Christopher Columbus to sail around the world.
Speed Racer
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pajarito 0
QuoteUm, nobody believed that the Earth was flat in Columbus' time (late 15th century).QuoteIt was another 2,000 years later (at a time when science believed
that the earth was flat) that the Scriptures inspired Christopher Columbus to sail around the world.
The assumption that I replied to above by MarkR indicated that the Church (in its ignorance) did. I don't believe that was the case.
Dolph 0
Hey Pajarito, a circle can be pretty one dimensional, no? The argument is stretching it a far bit.
My friends have imposed a "only 2nd degree thoughts" rule on me. That means I am only allowed to take at hought to a 2nd tangent and not further because it confuses them and makes me go on and on long after everyone has told me to fuck off. Anyway; when I say stretching it, this is what I am talking about.
I'm pretty good at drawing circles. They're not three dimensional though. Nor are they perfect. Are there perfect circles? Perhaps if there were, they would be divine. Perhaps the divine is a perfect circle. The creator, therefore, is a perfect circle, drawing perfect circles. Which would mean earth is a mini deity. Which won't fly, because the first perfect circle told us in some texts (which contain some symbols which are surprisingly not perfect circles) that there is only one perfect circle. Are dimensions related to perfections and if so, is time a dimension? What is perfect time? It must be related to perfect circles and that'd mean that a perfect circle also has perfect time - or timing.
Maybe it's not about circles. How about strings? Let's discuss strings....
My point to this jibberish: to most, Bible quotes barely touching some topic followed by "See! It said so in the Bible, many years ago!" makes as much sense as my faith based "facts" about circles.
There is a quote about the corners of the world in the Bible. Perhaps you can provide some context to that, especially in relation to circles (mine or the one in the Bible)?
My friends have imposed a "only 2nd degree thoughts" rule on me. That means I am only allowed to take at hought to a 2nd tangent and not further because it confuses them and makes me go on and on long after everyone has told me to fuck off. Anyway; when I say stretching it, this is what I am talking about
I'm pretty good at drawing circles. They're not three dimensional though. Nor are they perfect. Are there perfect circles? Perhaps if there were, they would be divine. Perhaps the divine is a perfect circle. The creator, therefore, is a perfect circle, drawing perfect circles. Which would mean earth is a mini deity. Which won't fly, because the first perfect circle told us in some texts (which contain some symbols which are surprisingly not perfect circles) that there is only one perfect circle. Are dimensions related to perfections and if so, is time a dimension? What is perfect time? It must be related to perfect circles and that'd mean that a perfect circle also has perfect time - or timing.
Maybe it's not about circles. How about strings? Let's discuss strings....
My point to this jibberish: to most, Bible quotes barely touching some topic followed by "See! It said so in the Bible, many years ago!" makes as much sense as my faith based "facts" about circles.
There is a quote about the corners of the world in the Bible. Perhaps you can provide some context to that, especially in relation to circles (mine or the one in the Bible)?
JackC 0
QuoteThe Bible reveals that the Earth is Round
The Scriptures tell us that the earth is round: ?It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth? (Isaiah 40:22). The word translated ?circle? here is the Hebrew word chuwg, which is also translated ?circuit? or ?compass? (depending on the context). That is, it indicates something spherical, rounded, or arched?not something that is flat or square. The book of Isaiah was written sometime between 740 and 680
B.C. This is at least 300 years before Aristotle suggested, in his book On the Heavens, that
the earth might be a sphere. It was another 2,000 years later (at a time when science believed
that the earth was flat) that the Scriptures inspired Christopher Columbus to sail around the world.
What about the second half ot that verse? The bit were it says "and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.". It's convenient to ignore that bit isn't it?
Then there's all the other flat earth stuff like Daniel4:7-8, Mathew4:8 and Genesis11:4.
If you take the Bible literally, it makes no sense whatsoever. If you take it as a collection of parables, it's so vague it could mean anything and frequently means nothing at all. That in itself makes the book completely useless in my opinion.
If God really was the author don't you think he'd have made a better job of writing it? Honestly, from the so-called devinely inspired scriptures the only thing I can get is that this God is an incompetant retard when it comes to PR. His biggest publication is an insult to trees.
pajarito 0
QuoteThen there's all the other flat earth stuff like Daniel4:7-8, Mathew4:8 and Genesis11:4.
Can you show me in any of the verses you quoted where it talks about a "flat Earth?"
pajarito 0
QuoteThere is a quote about the corners of the world in the Bible. Perhaps you can provide some context to that, especially in relation to circles (mine or the one in the Bible)?
I don't know which one in particular you're referring to. However, I'm thinking of the 4 cardinal directions (N,S,E,W).
the irrefutable truth about any and all religion in the history of man kind on the planet has arrived. the only thing that BRAIN-WASHED "believers" can do is open their eyes to the lie that religion is or continue to live in denial of the truth
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