ExAFO 0 #1 November 13, 2005 Just got my FOID from the Illinois Gestapo. Anyone else realize that the FOID program is an illegal de-facto registry?? Anyhow, looking to get two long guns, one shotgun and one .22 rifle. The shotgun would be for home protection. What gauges should I consider, and why? The rifle would be for target plinking and occasional vamint schwacking. I hear they make .22 Magnums now. Any recommendations on that? Thx. P.S. Euros, please spare me the lib rant about how all guns and their owners are evil...Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #2 November 13, 2005 QuoteJust got my FOID from the Illinois Gestapo. Anyone else realize that the FOID program is an illegal de-facto registry?? Anyhow, looking to get two long guns, one shotgun and one .22 rifle. The shotgun would be for home protection. What gauges should I consider, and why? The rifle would be for target plinking and occasional vamint schwacking. I hear they make .22 Magnums now. Any recommendations on that? Thx. P.S. Euros, please spare me the lib rant about how all guns and their owners are evil... first, the FOID just makes my blood boil and I can't believe I'm actually considering relo'ing to IL from the very gun friendly state of TN... second, what is the capacity restrictions you have re: shotguns and rifles? I used to have a mossberg 500, total 12 gauge capacity 8 shots... pistol grip, short barrel, truly wonderful for home defense, but I believe it's an evil illegal gun in the people's republic of IL. for an all around rifle, including plinking, i'd go w/ a mini-14, but again, are they legal in IL? -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #3 November 13, 2005 IMHO the best all around plinking gun is a Ruger 10-22. You can get 50 round banana clips for it or 100 round drums. Its solid workmanship and they come in any combo you want basically. I have both a Jacaranda laminate stock and blued hardware version and a Walnut stock and stainless hardware version. Set it up with a low end scope and you've got an effective plinking gun for sub-$200 used if you shop at a gun show.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
namgrunt 0 #4 November 13, 2005 12 ga. shotgun remington mod. 870 its a pump get the police mod. 22 cal ruger 10-22 ..59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI) www.dzmemories.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #5 November 13, 2005 Couple of questions from a Euro... What's a FOID? How do gun rules change from state to state. What happens if you move from one state to another to live.... or just go on holiday with your hardware? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eeneR 3 #6 November 13, 2005 QuoteWhat's a FOID? Firearms Owner IDentification QuoteHow do gun rules change from state to state. Each stated handles how they want to, and in some cases it can go down to city level. In the City of Chicago for instance, you cannot have a hand gun, but go to some burbs and you can. QuoteWhat happens if you move from one state to another to live.... or just go on holiday with your hardware? If you get busted you get busted. If a state says no guns, no concield weapon, unless you are a Cop....and that doesnt always apply, you must follow the rules for the state you are traveling too. my .02 and yes I have a FOID..no gun yet though. The process to get it is actually a joke...give them $8 a passport ID and fill out a form for them to do a quicky back ground check. Then poof you can have a gun. She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #7 November 13, 2005 Firearm Owner's Identification (FOID) http://www.isp.state.il.us/foid/firearms.cfm Laws do change from state to state, so if moving, you need to find out what the laws in the new community would be. This website has some of the basic laws (I know it's sponsored by the NRA, so some might consider it biased... but really it's just information) If the laws don't fit with your lifestyle, don't move there. http://www.nraila.org/media/misc/compendium.htm As far as "on holiday"... the states that you would typically take your guns with you don't generally have a problem with it. Most people would go hunting in Texas, the Dakotas, Montana, Alaska, ect... Although there are some hunts in California, those are mainly bolt style rifles and there isn't that much of a problem there. edit to add: the gun control act of 1986 allows transportation through any state regardless of state law as long you can legally possess the gun you have in the state you traveling from and to, and you are traveling for legal purposes. More than half of the states that have a conceled carry and within those states, some of them have reciprocity for carrying in other states. As far as which choices to get: Shotgun Thoughts Remington 870 Marine Magnum 12g., buck shot Note: Remember that with shotguns comes a lack of "precision." It is a great intimidator and a good weapon if the bad guys are in front of you and there is no danger of collateral damage (family, pets, walls). But it is a zone of effect, not a surgical strike. Generally, for home defense, a handgun should also be considered because of its maneuverability and its ability to deliver precise bullet placement. But either way, you need to consider all your variables (live rural and no worries about the neighbors vs. live in an apartment and paper thin walls, no pets vs. 30 cats/15 dogs/ and a partridge in a pear tree, children in the household, ect) and apply the best fit to your situation. The other important thing is to practice and be comfortable with whatever you choose. .22 thoughs Ruger 10-22 is cheap and it's a good model. Just my thoughts. Have fun and be safe. Karen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #8 November 13, 2005 In other words there're are a whole convoluted set of laws that differ from community to community. So much so that if I have one round of the ammunition that I can use in the range down the street in my pocket when I go over the bridge 2 miles away, I can go to jail. You have to know the law for every community that you go to otherwise you could easily be a criminal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,307 #9 November 13, 2005 Quote12 ga. shotgun remington mod. 870 its a pump get the police mod. 22 cal ruger 10-22 Ditto. But, get the bull barrel and bipod for the .22 and a fairly nice scope.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #10 November 13, 2005 All seems just a bit mixed up. (so much for United States - sorry couldn't resist that one) (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #11 November 13, 2005 Personally if I was to customize the Ruger I'd toss on a Comp trigger kit and a match grade barrel. Thats going to set you back about as much as a whole 10-22 would though. Granted it will let you shoot ~ a .5 inch 10 shot pattern at 100 yards if you really wanted to, but out of the box you'll shoot around a 1.25 inch 10 shot pattern for $250 less.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,307 #12 November 13, 2005 I've taken a bull barrel 10-22 out of the box (own five), put a bipod and decent scope on it; zero'd it; and done the .5 inch 10 shot pattern at 100 yards without the match grade barrel or comp trigger kit. On a separate note; I just picked up a new FN HP SFS 9x19 pistol... that has a "Safety Fast Shooting" cocking lever... I'm wrestling with this one.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #13 November 13, 2005 Winchester Defender 1300 with the combo pistol grip & stock. A lot of shotgun for the $$$. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ViperPilot 0 #14 November 13, 2005 QuoteGenerally, for home defense, a handgun should also be considered because of its maneuverability and its ability to deliver precise bullet placement You have to also consider your ability to place shots in certain situations. If it's 3 am, some guy blasts into your house and you're rudely awakened (and massively groggy), how well are you going to be able to place shots w/ a handgun in the dark...and quickly? Shotguns take that factor out b/c all you have to do is shoot in the general direction and either hit the guy with something or scare him out of the house. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #15 November 14, 2005 Quotesecond, what is the capacity restrictions you have re: shotguns and rifles? I used to have a mossberg 500, total 12 gauge capacity 8 shots... pistol grip, short barrel, truly wonderful for home defense, but I believe it's an evil illegal gun in the people's republic of IL. You may be confusing Illinois with Chicago. Not to be ashamed as Mayer Daley does it quite often. Other than the Foid and no NFA weapons there are not really many restrictions at the State level. Chicago and a few of its surrounding communities have stricter restrictions. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #16 November 14, 2005 Quote12 ga. shotgun remington mod. 870 its a pump get the police mod. That was the exact recomendation I was going to give. Great shotgun and a lot of fun to shoot.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #17 November 14, 2005 QuoteYou have to also consider your ability to place shots in certain situations. If it's 3 am, some guy blasts into your house and you're rudely awakened (and massively groggy), how well are you going to be able to place shots w/ a handgun in the dark...and quickly? Shotguns take that factor out b/c all you have to do is shoot in the general direction and either hit the guy with something or scare him out of the house. In my opinion.... If you don't know who or what you're shooting at, you shouldn't be shooting - whether it's a pistol or a shotgun. I will allow that at 3am, groggy, ect... but wake up before you pull the trigger. k. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #18 November 14, 2005 As many have said, Ruger 10-22 if plinking is your goal. Re: Shotgun for protection, any short barrel pump is good. Cheapest is Mossberg, Rem 870 is higher quality. Assuming the "marine" model is either stainless or has better corrosion protection, it would be good. I am adding a Crossman brand BB gun laser pointer to my Mossberg by machining an adapter that attaches to the screw at the end of the magazine tube. A laser should help in from-the-hip quick shots in home defense applications. BUT, having a laser on your shotgun might not go over well with leftist juries if ti ever came to that. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #19 November 14, 2005 Only reason I'd ever go for the Comp trigger set and probally titanium extractor is after about 5000 rounds the pull gets grainy and the extractor is a little dull. As a kid with a box of 500 rounds that was a great way to kill an afternoon. After a Summer of doing that every 3 days or so I learned all about the wear on the extractor. The trigger kit just makes it smooth and reduces the pull to about 3 pounds. Best I ever got was 10 in a 3/8's ring at 100 yds with a stock kit. I need to get to a range with my 10-22 this winter maybe... Hmmm. The Isreali's use the 10-22 in Carbine form as a "lethal" crowd control weapon. It used to be a "less then lethal" but after a few deaths it was tested and found to be "lethal" with upper body shots. They used to shoot the legs of protest leaders to take them out of the fight.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #20 November 14, 2005 QuoteQuotesecond, what is the capacity restrictions you have re: shotguns and rifles? I used to have a mossberg 500, total 12 gauge capacity 8 shots... pistol grip, short barrel, truly wonderful for home defense, but I believe it's an evil illegal gun in the people's republic of IL. You may be confusing Illinois with Chicago. Not to be ashamed as Mayer Daley does it quite often. Other than the Foid and no NFA weapons there are not really many restrictions at the State level. Chicago and a few of its surrounding communities have stricter restrictions. so is there any capacity or barrel length restriction for shotguns outside of chi-town? -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ViperPilot 0 #21 November 14, 2005 Well the time you take to wake up to "responsibly" pull the trigger is the amount of time it took the intruder to shoot your kids and wife/husband. I'll take my chances with a shotgun, at least in the groggy 3am situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #22 November 14, 2005 Frananchi Spaas - 12 Guage. Now that's a shotgun mmm I want to get one, but they are pricey 1200. Although if you have a perp on the other side of a door you can shoot through it, and this shotgun is so heavy recoil is almost nonexistant. For the plinker I would also go with the Ruger 10-22. For target shooting 22 LR makes the most sence it is cheap ammo. They even make conversion kits for rifles that use .223 to accept .22 LR ammo.Divot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,307 #23 November 14, 2005 Well, I can't argue about the extractor shitting the bed over time and you're right about plinking 500 rounds on a Sunday afternoon. Now that I find myself residing in Ohio (Strongsville) about 3/4 time, maybe we can go do some plinking this winter.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyRamone 0 #24 November 14, 2005 GET A GLOCK OR 357 FOR THE HOME, SHOTGUN TO LONG, A HAND GUN WILL OR CAN DO MORE DAMAGE AND EAISER TO USE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #25 November 14, 2005 QuoteGET A GLOCK OR 357 FOR THE HOME, SHOTGUN TO LONG, A HAND GUN WILL OR CAN DO MORE DAMAGE AND EAISER TO USE. Dude, you don't have to shout.... I even saw BillyVance wince!! Shotgun CAN be too long in some situations, that's why they make models with a pistol grip and folding buttstock. Ain't no way a 9mm or 357 is going to do more damage than a full load of 00 buck...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
