rehmwa 2 #26 November 15, 2005 No. No more than 'karma'. I believe in hard work, and random chance, and people making choices. Stuff happens. But these things themselves can cause some pretty remarkable things, but there's nothing unnatural about it. Choosing to believe in miracles is just a lazy way of saying we don't want to take the time or effort to understand it - that's the negative spin. Or, on a more positive spin, it's an optimistic look at life that helps some people live their lives. Take your choice. Stuff happens - attribute what you will and have a good life. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #27 November 15, 2005 Miracles do occur but not Divine ones. My father had a stroke, my mother recognized the symptoms as it was happening and called 911. The closest hospital was involved in the testing of a new drug, and he got it very quickly. One week later he was home and just fine, like it had not happened. That's a miracle.... but I don't believe there was divine intervention making it happen."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveStMarys 0 #28 November 15, 2005 Yes, I believe in miracles. I have seen many taken place, hard work and all that shit has nothing to do with it. All your "hard work" won't cure cancer or beat a rare disease. BobbiA miracle is not defined by an event. A miracle is defined by gratitude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #29 November 15, 2005 Quote On the other hand, miracles occur when a series of good things collide to make something spectacular. The odds of a miracle happening for you can increase via your own actions. When preparation meets opportunity, there you find a little personal miracle happening. Or as said in the sporting world - winners make their own luck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #30 November 15, 2005 QuoteI belive in miracles.......You sexy thing! Did noone else get this? That was the awesomest post I've seen today! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #31 November 15, 2005 QuoteQuoteI belive in miracles.......You sexy thing! Did noone else get this? That was the awesomest post I've seen today! That was Hot Chocolate.... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RkyMtnHigh 0 #32 November 15, 2005 QuoteI belive in miracles.......You sexy thing! J..Where have you been lately? We miss you on here _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wopelao 0 #33 November 15, 2005 Yes I do, so How U doing?. <= patiently waiting for a miracle to happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #34 November 15, 2005 Yes I do, so How U doing? Would somebody move this to the Bonfire???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wopelao 0 #35 November 15, 2005 Agreed. Too much love in this thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #36 November 15, 2005 QuoteAgreed. Too much love in this thread. Yep, Why not. Love is in the air... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RkyMtnHigh 0 #37 November 15, 2005 QuoteQuoteAgreed. Too much love in this thread. Yep, Why not. Love is in the air... Tooooo weird! Sudsyfist just PM's me with that same "love is in the air" shit. Now...let's get back to the debate of miracles. _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #38 November 15, 2005 OK. Yes, I believe in miracles. They happen. It only depends on how you see that special event. Love is in the air. Everywhere I look around. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RkyMtnHigh 0 #39 November 15, 2005 Quote OK. Yes, I believe in miracles. They happen. It only depends on how you see that special event. Love is in the air. Everywhere I look around. _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #40 November 16, 2005 QuoteMiracles do occur but not Divine ones. I'm not the least bit religious, but I can't say I don't believe in miracles, even divine ones. My mother told me that when she was four she was on her deathbed, in a coma with a serious digestive ailment. The priest came over to give her her last rites. This was in post-WWII Italy, so health care was non-existent. She wasn't expected to make it through the night. The next morning, she woke up in front of everyone surrounding her and awaiting her death, yelling for St. Rocco to come back as he was walking through the wall. She said that he appeared to her, placed his hand on her head, and told her she'd be fine. She's been in fine health since. I'm not making this up -- my grandmother confirmed it when she was alive, and my uncle and mother tell me the same story to this day. I don't know what to make of it. But I can't say I don't believe in miracles. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #41 November 16, 2005 Yes... I do believe. But, it does depend on the defination of "miracle" per Webster: Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Late Latin miraculum, from Latin, a wonder, marvel, from mirari to wonder at 1 : an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs 2 : an extremely outstanding or unusual event, thing, or accomplishment 3 Christian Science : a divinely natural phenomenon experienced humanly as the fulfillment of spiritual law I definatley believe in def'n #2, but whether it's due to divine intervention or a fulfillment of spiritual law is more delicate. There have been countless events in my life that I can not explain, many things just outside of my understanding... but I don't know the answers to say definately that it's because of God. I'm kind of torn between not being a primitive thinker in awe of the sun rising again (notice- I did NOT make fun of the cavemen like geico would) vs. a pompous fool knowing that the sun WILL rise because "the rotation of the earth on a elliptical path around the sun... blah blah blah" I believe there should be some wonderment in life, and there will always be questions that can't be answered. If some choose to see those as miracles, who am I to say that they are wrong. Karen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #42 November 16, 2005 wanna know catagorically that miracles occur? skymonkeyONE, katiebear, and me (and another unnamed dizzy.commer) all getting nasty drunk in a lesbian bar in fayetteville, NC... and no one gets arrested... miracles DOOOO happen... -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #43 November 16, 2005 Life is a miracle.If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #44 November 16, 2005 I'll let you know hopefully later today. It'll be a miracle if the girl who cut my hair can fix my short haircut without leaving me much, much shorter than I wanted it to be....auggghhhh! I have an afro.... linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #45 November 16, 2005 I'd also like to add: I hope there are miracles, because I could use one right about now. But I'm not counting on it. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wopelao 0 #46 November 16, 2005 QuoteI'll let you know hopefully later today. It'll be a miracle if the girl who cut my hair can fix my short haircut without leaving me much, much shorter than I wanted it to be....auggghhhh! I have an afro.... linz Maybe she has a "miracle" wig in supply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #47 November 16, 2005 Do you believe in magic?-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #48 November 16, 2005 I agree with everyone else. I don't believe in god granted 'miracles' any more than I believe that anything bad that happens is 'god's will'. I do believe that a lot of things happen that can't be explained, at least not at this moment in time. I believe in the placebo effect, that if people truly believe in prayer (or magic, or whatever) healing them, in some cases their body does respond to that belief positively. There's nothing wrong with calling a good thing a miracle, it only adds to the joy of it for most people. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #49 November 16, 2005 How's your head today? Sounds like a great night out that you had clink.... clink...... fizzzzz (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #50 November 16, 2005 QuoteDo you believe in magic? Of course, I do! Some years ago, I saw David Copperfield flying over our heads. And that w/o any canopy..... There is magic in the world. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
