markd_nscr986 0 #1 November 30, 2005 One Buddhists' perspective......it's one of my favorite holidaysBut there are other non Christians that whine about it......are they being entirely too serious,or do they just enjoy being grinches.......your thoughts?Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #2 November 30, 2005 Christmas is fun. People of all faiths usually act nicer to each other. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #3 November 30, 2005 They're Grinches and they can just keep it to themselves. I don't complain about their hoidays - if they even have any.... Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bianuan 0 #4 November 30, 2005 I think the midwinter celebrations existed in most european cultures before the christians hijacked it for Christs birthday Hence why everyone is happy to celebrate Christmas whether they're christian or not.Ann Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #5 November 30, 2005 I know a lot of non-Christians who celebrate Christmas. Decorating the tree, hanging the stockings, singing Christmas carols, visting relatives, exchanging presents etc etc. It's pretty common actually. What's not to like? Even if you're not a Christian, the season is still fun to celebrate. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #6 November 30, 2005 QuoteI think the midwinter celebrations existed in most european cultures before the christians hijacked it for and pretended that it is Christs birthday Hence why everyone is happy to celebrate Christmas whether they're christian or not. Exactly the point we have been making for a week or so in a different thread. I have my Solstice lights up already, and will get my Solstice tree this weekend.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #7 November 30, 2005 christmas is less and less about religon and more and more about commercial gain. i like christmas because it gives everybody a day to enjoy thier familys and chill, christmas is mid summer here so we can have bbq's go swimming etc. it is not really just christmas day it is the week between xmas and new years that is the goods. christmas can be quite stressful (not unlike a wedding) with certain expectations.but come dinner time on the 25th everybody can relax. except for the name, christmas has nothing to do with christ. we are having a christmas boogie this year so no stressing for me."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
philh 0 #8 December 1, 2005 anyone who thinks Christmas comes from Christianity needs to read a bit more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #9 December 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteI think the midwinter celebrations existed in most european cultures before the christians hijacked it for and pretended that it is Christs birthday Hence why everyone is happy to celebrate Christmas whether they're christian or not. Exactly the point we have been making for a week or so in a different thread. I have my Solstice lights up already, and will get my Solstice tree this weekend. Yule.. dont forget Yule... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #10 December 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteI think the midwinter celebrations existed in most european cultures before the christians hijacked it for and pretended that it is Christs birthday Hence why everyone is happy to celebrate Christmas whether they're christian or not. Exactly the point we have been making for a week or so in a different thread. I have my Solstice lights up already, and will get my Solstice tree this weekend. Yule.. dont forget Yule... True, but everyone can celebrate the Solstice, regardless of religion or culture.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bianuan 0 #11 December 1, 2005 I think its a cheek that they can now turn round and say Christmas is commercialised and misses its original point Although im not so impressed by these wiccan (or whatever the latest name for them is) types trying to take it over with their 'Yule' as the origination of it either. Make of it as you want and have fun! Ann Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #12 December 1, 2005 QuoteTrue, but everyone can celebrate the Solstice, regardless of religion or culture. Everyone can celebrate Tuesday too. So what? Actually, I think that sounds like a great idea. Who wants to go out for a few on Tuesday? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #13 December 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteTrue, but everyone can celebrate the Solstice, regardless of religion or culture. Everyone can celebrate Tuesday too. So what? Actually, I think that sounds like a great idea. Who wants to go out for a few on Tuesday? Tuesday, however is religion specific, being named for the Norse god of war, Tiu. Celebrating Tuesday is not inclusive at all. TGIF might seem better, except Friday is named for Freyja, goddess of love. So sorry, that won't work.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #14 December 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteTrue, but everyone can celebrate the Solstice, regardless of religion or culture. Everyone can celebrate Tuesday too. So what? Actually, I think that sounds like a great idea. Who wants to go out for a few on Tuesday? Tuesday, however is religion specific, being named for the Norse god of war, Tiu. Celebrating Tuesday is not inclusive at all. TGIF might seem better, except Friday is named for Freyja, goddess of love. So sorry, that won't work. Damn you, now I was planning on eating that bite of trail mix, not laugh it up with my co-workers staring. Back to sitting on a rock waiting for fire. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #15 December 1, 2005 Quoteit is not really just christmas day it is the week between xmas and new years that is the goods. actually the christmas season is 12 days long. hence the annoying christmas carole. It goes from Christmas Day to the eve of the Feast of the Epiphany. That's why I don't take down my tree until after 12th night. In some cultures people exchange gifts on 12th night, not on Christmas day. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #16 December 1, 2005 QuotePeople of all faiths usually act nicer to each other Excellent point ... Now if we could only stretch this holiday/festival out to 52 weeks (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #17 December 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteTrue, but everyone can celebrate the Solstice, regardless of religion or culture. Everyone can celebrate Tuesday too. So what? Actually, I think that sounds like a great idea. Who wants to go out for a few on Tuesday? Tuesday, however is religion specific, being named for the Norse god of war, Tiu. Celebrating Tuesday is not inclusive at all. TGIF might seem better, except Friday is named for Freyja, goddess of love. So sorry, that won't work. Damn you, now I was planning on eating that bite of trail mix, not laugh it up with my co-workers staring. Back to sitting on a rock waiting for fire. Yup, actually every day of the week is spoken for by a pagan God or Goddess. Sun, Moon, Tiu, Woden (Odin), Thor, Freyja (or Frigg), Saturn January (Janus), March (Mars), April (Aphrodite), May (Maia), June (Juno), July (Julius) and August (Augustus) are named for Roman deities (The Caesars being considered divine). And of course, Easter is named for a pagan goddess too. Lot's of pagan in our traditions.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #18 December 2, 2005 QuoteLot's of pagan in our traditions. Lot's of rum in our traditions too. I think that is also significant. Edit: That's it, no Egg Nog for you. In fact, no nog at all. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #19 December 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteLot's of pagan in our traditions. Lot's of rum in our traditions too. I think that is also significant. Edit: That's it, no Egg Nog for you. In fact, no nog at all. Baron Samedi must be the god of rum?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #20 December 4, 2005 QuoteI think the midwinter celebrations existed in most european cultures before the christians hijacked it for Christs birthday Hence why everyone is happy to celebrate Christmas whether they're christian or not. Okay, sure, the Christians "hijacked" Christmas - and gave it the name. Possession, as they say, is 9/10's of the law. It used to be Yuletide in the northern "barbarian" realms, and the Romans called the Lupercania. Christians moved Christ's birth from March to Lupercania so they could obsaerve it without serving dinner to the lions at the local stadium. But Christmas kept the pagan features too. It kept dragging a tree into your house, it kept the gifts and the parties. And by now, Christmas - or Xmas, if you prefer - can be as religious or as secular, or as much of a blend of either, as you want it to be. Plenty of Christians have been hacked off for centuries about Christmas being too secular, or too rowdy. The fucking Puritans even outlawed the celebration of Christmas during the joyous years of the Oliver Cromwell dictatorship. What gripes my ass is the whiners who want thhe tree, want Santa, want the presents and the candy canes, and then bellyache about being "oppressed", as if they're being shipeed off to fucking Auschwitz because Christmas is such a Christian holiday. All I can say to them is to knock the chip off their shoulder and knock back a few stiff drinks if that's what it takes to get in the spirit. Enjoy Christmas, it's free and we'll share it with anyone who wants it. If that's not good enough, then start your own fucking holiday and call it Grinchmas or Holly Jolly Fuck Me Day and make your own traditions. But DON'T go around demanding that we feel ashamed about Xmas, or that we have to call it "a winter fucking holiday". Because that's bullshit and they know it. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #21 December 4, 2005 I want a holiday for the FSM.If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #22 December 4, 2005 You're right. Those segments of society whose beliefs aren't unoficially (and officially) sanctioned and celebrated by the gov't and the majority of society should learn their place and celebrate our holilday anyway. Or at least marginalize themselves by doing something different so we can ridicule that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #23 December 4, 2005 I'll call it what I like Whether you believe in any deity or not, Solstice is in late December. No one is excluded from celebrating it, nor will I mock them if they want to call it something else.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bianuan 0 #24 December 5, 2005 The midwinter festivities also known as Christmas 'are' Pagan/Heathen in origin. Now this celebration has evolved further to be what it is and whatever you want to make of it regardless of faith or creed. I get mildly annoyed by people who claim their faith owns all celebrations at this time of year and try to dictate how all people should and should not behave for it. Believe what you will, Christmas is not a christian only holiday, we'll celebrate however we choose Ann Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deleted 0 #25 December 5, 2005 we have alot of "political correctness" bolloxs in the UK at the moment, local councils banning xmas trees because they may be offensive to a minority group. Well in my opinion F**k them, if they are offended by christmas (and i say christmas, birth of christ and all that) then they should not live in my country, the same goes for any other thing that may offend them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
