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QuoteI want him to live as long as possible... I want him to have every possible opportunity to reflect on the pain and misery he's caused me and my family.
You're assuming they care... Look at the KKK. Do they look like they want forgiveness for the pain and misery their organization has caused?
This falls into the category of "I'm not sorry for what I've done, I'm sorry you caught me...".
There are bad people out there who simply don't think the same way we do. The mechanism in their mind (conscience?) that signals 'right' and 'wrong' simply doesn't function. The world is a better place without those people...
J
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Nope
"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
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When you're out of the blue and into the black."
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QuoteQuoteTwo wrongs don't make a right.
True, but it sure makes 'ya feel better.
That is a very juvenile attitude.
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If they killed a loved one of mine, I guess I'd forgive them as I'm standing over their dead bodies...
I have more faith in the justice handed out by a .357 than I do our legal system.![[:/]](/uploads/emoticons/dry.png "[:/]")
Jeff
It appears that you have a hard time differentiating between justice and revenge.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteThere are bad people out there who simply don't think the same way we do. The mechanism in their mind (conscience?) that signals 'right' and 'wrong' simply doesn't function. The world is a better place without those people...
Would you feel the same way if the bad person in question was your son?
No way and eye for an eye. I do not care what other think i would hunt him down and gut his ass like a pig, very slow, very, very slow.
jeiber 0
QuoteThat is a very juvenile attitude.
Sure is!
QuoteIt appears that you have a hard time differentiating between justice and revenge.
Hypothetically speaking, if the mother of the victim were a judge, and the murderers were standing before her, would the sentence she hands down be justice, or revenge?
How would you define justice in times or places where there is no law? Is there no justice, but only revenge?
Yeah, I guess I do have a hard time differentiating them. Please explain. (seriously)
Jeff
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jeiber 0
QuoteWould you feel the same way if the bad person in question was your son?
Nope. I'd probably be arguing against every moral and ethical value I have, in that situation.
It doesn't change the fact that the world would still be a better place without him, though....
Jeff
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sinker 0
It doesn't change the fact that the world would still be a better place without him, though....
so someone, in your opinion, who murders another person, has no redeeming qualities at all and will not ever have any in the future?
-the artist formerly known as sinker
so someone, in your opinion, who murders another person, has no redeeming qualities at all and will not ever have any in the future?
-the artist formerly known as sinker
QuoteQuoteWould you feel the same way if the bad person in question was your son?
Nope. I'd probably be arguing against every moral and ethical value I have, in that situation.
So, this kinda takes away any hint of universality in your approach. So, does confronting that as a possibility change your mind at all, or do you just stick out your chin and grin and indulge in hypocrisy?
It's truly worthwhile to do role switcheroos when considering ethical questions, not only for the sake of edifying your own code, but also making strides in empathy. Sweet method, it is.
QuoteIt doesn't change the fact that the world would still be a better place without him, though....
Not necessarily: it's not a with him or without him sorta deal; rather than getting caught into the binary thinking trap, you can explore other options and possibilities.
By considering yourself and your loved ones in such a hypothetical situation, you can find what these other possibilities are (justice, rehabilitation, conciliation, etc.), and perhaps come up with a better, more universal approach to the whole thing.
sinker 0
what's w/ you ending everything you say w/ a
part of the new and improved sudsy2.0, being all nice and shit so you can finally score w/ some dz.com hottie?
-the artist formerly known as sinker
part of the new and improved sudsy2.0, being all nice and shit so you can finally score w/ some dz.com hottie?
-the artist formerly known as sinker
sinker 0
well it's about time, fucker!
(can't help but crack everytime I see your avatar, you dork)
-the artist formerly known as sinker
(can't help but crack everytime I see your avatar, you dork)
-the artist formerly known as sinker
Lindsey 0
I've acually been thinking about this a lot. And I don't think I'm a big enough person to be able to forgive a person who would murder my child. As much as, in theory, it seems like a good idea--rational and right--I just wouldn't have it in me. By looking at how I've responded to lesser situations in the past, and that there's at least one person for whom I think the death penalty is too small a price, if someone really hurt/killed someone I love, like my son, I'd only wish the worst for him.
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A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail
Michele 1
I've been thinking about this for a while; for some reason, forgiveness has been on my mind for the last 6 months or so.
I don't know if I could forgive someone who murdered those I consider family (which extends farther than just blood relations to me). I'd like to think I could, I really want to think I could, but I honestly don't know.
I do know, however, that I would do my best to forgive; I'd do the work it would take to begin to come to a place of forgiveness. I know that I would do my best - and then even more - to forgive.
Because in the end, irrespective of what forgiveness does for the offender, what forgiveness does for me is to free me back to the love I know. I know that I cannot hate the thing I love. To withhold forgiveness - to even deny an attempt to forgive - is hating something. And hate takes so much energy, so much effort...and grows only it's own kind. To harbor that hate takes me away from my life, and I am still living. To hold that hate and nurture it means I have to give it life. I do not want to give hate life. I do not want to give it safe harbor. And so I would do everything I could do to forgive them.
For me, to hold hate is to always live in what has happened, rather than allow what can happen occur. It is always looking backward, to the past. And that, I think, prevents one from ever seeing the path they're on to it's conclusion. One gets stuck looking backward, feeling all the hurt, hate and anger, and can never see the new, next experience which awaits them. And because I do not choose to live my life looking backwards, I would do my famdamnedest to forgive.
But could I? That's something I pray I - and you - never have to know the answer to.
Ciels-
Michele
~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~
I don't know if I could forgive someone who murdered those I consider family (which extends farther than just blood relations to me). I'd like to think I could, I really want to think I could, but I honestly don't know.
I do know, however, that I would do my best to forgive; I'd do the work it would take to begin to come to a place of forgiveness. I know that I would do my best - and then even more - to forgive.
Because in the end, irrespective of what forgiveness does for the offender, what forgiveness does for me is to free me back to the love I know. I know that I cannot hate the thing I love. To withhold forgiveness - to even deny an attempt to forgive - is hating something. And hate takes so much energy, so much effort...and grows only it's own kind. To harbor that hate takes me away from my life, and I am still living. To hold that hate and nurture it means I have to give it life. I do not want to give hate life. I do not want to give it safe harbor. And so I would do everything I could do to forgive them.
For me, to hold hate is to always live in what has happened, rather than allow what can happen occur. It is always looking backward, to the past. And that, I think, prevents one from ever seeing the path they're on to it's conclusion. One gets stuck looking backward, feeling all the hurt, hate and anger, and can never see the new, next experience which awaits them. And because I do not choose to live my life looking backwards, I would do my famdamnedest to forgive.
But could I? That's something I pray I - and you - never have to know the answer to.
Ciels-
Michele
~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~
True, but it sure makes 'ya feel better.
If they killed a loved one of mine, I guess I'd forgive them as I'm standing over their dead bodies...
I have more faith in the justice handed out by a .357 than I do our legal system.
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