"Nigger" the dog - Dambusters

[kallend 2,106]

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... makes me proud to be english and have proper heritage and history

So, do you consider yourself the bastard son of the French or the viking invaders? I think you're probably French.

The Normans were NOT French. Normandy was not part of France in 1066. Normans were displaced Vikings, so he's Viking either way (just like me).

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[billvon 3,070]

>What if the name in that movie insulted you, your children, and all
>of your family? I'll bet you'd feel differently then.

Then I wouldn't watch it.

I once watched a movie, set in NY around the 1920's, where there was a single Irish character. He was the comic relief - always drunk, never able to hold down a job. He was referred to as the "drunken Mickey" or just "the Mickey." This was during a time when my ancestors (recently immigrated from Ireland) were living in NYC; they were dealing with want ads that noted "Irish need not apply."

But I don't really care. I'm not offended by old movies that show silly stereotypes.

Let's take another example. If you had gone back in time to the time this movie was produced, and told them "black people are offended by that term; don't use it" you would be labeled a racist. Why? Because the term "black" was offensive to them. The PC term back then was "colored people," which had recently taken over from "negroes" (which _today_ is an offensive term.)

Now, were you really being racist by saying 'black?' Probably not. You are just from a different time, and people should make allowances for that. Just as people should make allowances for the speech in old movies.

>I doubt if any white person (in America) knows what it is like to be on
> the receiving end of racism.

Probably true, although I did experience some of that in Africa.

>So what good is it for a bunch of white people to get together and
> haggle over the word "Nigger" and then say it doesn't hurt me any,
> so it must be okay.

If I met a guy who called black people "dumb niggers" I wouldn't want to have anything to do with that person. But that's miles different from being offended by a word in a decades-old film. Should we be offended when authors in the 1920's referred to rich white people as "gay?" (it meant 'happy' back then.) Times change and so does language.

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If I met a guy who called black people "dumb niggers" I wouldn't want to have anything to do with that person. But that's miles different from being offended by a word in a decades-old film. Should we be offended when authors in the 1920's referred to rich white people as "gay?" (it meant 'happy' back then.) Times change and so does language.

This is absolutely true.

In england, until the late 60s, the term "being banged up the arsehole til I bled" was a cute colloquialism for an evening of losing at dominos and drinking fine pale ales. whereas "banging someone up the arsehole til they bled" meant that you were the victor of the evenings friendly shenanigans.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[waltappel 1]

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If I met a guy who called black people "dumb niggers" I wouldn't want to have anything to do with that person.

That is something I don't understand. That kind of statement wouldn't bother me at all. Same goes it it refers to absolutely any group, including any that I am a member of. I'm far more interested in understanding what a person is about instead of looking for opportunities to shut them out based on some arbitrary criteria, but I guess that's the difference between "tolerant" people and me.

I even listen to PC pinheads without shutting them out, although I am fairly sure that I will *never* truly understand where they are coming from.

Walt

[billvon 3,070]

>That kind of statement wouldn't bother me at all.

It would bother me, because it would be a window into who the guy was. If he really thought all blacks were dumb, it is likely that we wouldn't have too much in common.

[waltappel 1]

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>That kind of statement wouldn't bother me at all.

It would bother me, because it would be a window into who the guy was. If he really thought all blacks were dumb, it is likely that we wouldn't have too much in common.

Could be, but I don't mind associating with people who I don't have a whole lot in common with. Makes life more entertaining.

Walt

[SudsyFist 0]

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I don't mind associating with people who I don't have a whole lot in common with. Makes life more entertaining.

The Speakers Corner Manifesto.

[RhondaLea 4]

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>That kind of statement wouldn't bother me at all.

It would bother me, because it would be a window into who the guy was. If he really thought all blacks were dumb, it is likely that we wouldn't have too much in common.

Could be, but I don't mind associating with people who I don't have a whole lot in common with. Makes life more entertaining.

I have a preference for open-minded, non-psychopaths, whether I have something in common with them or not.

But I have a strong aversion to to bigoted, conscience-free people, and I can stand all the boredom their absence brings to my life.

rl

If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

[wmw999 2,534]

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n england, until the late 60s, the term "being banged up the arsehole til I bled" was a cute colloquialism for an evening of losing at dominos and drinking fine pale ales. whereas "banging someone up the arsehole til they bled" meant that you were the victor of the evenings friendly shenanigans.

So does that mean that I should feel comfortable saying that with my father's British friends when we're going to play dominoes?

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[AlexCrowley 0]

Absolutely, if they're from that era. Many are quite upset that it was 'stolen by the queers, just like gay was'.

I'm sure it'll bring a smile and the warm glow of nostalgia bout the good old days.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[shropshire 0]

So the Vikings invaded Planet Mongo too?

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[rasmack 0]

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So the Vikings invaded Planet Mongo too?

Yep. Rape, plunder and pillage... IN SPAAAACE.

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“I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.”
- Not quite Oscar Wilde...

[waltappel 1]

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>That kind of statement wouldn't bother me at all.

It would bother me, because it would be a window into who the guy was. If he really thought all blacks were dumb, it is likely that we wouldn't have too much in common.

Could be, but I don't mind associating with people who I don't have a whole lot in common with. Makes life more entertaining.

I have a preference for open-minded, non-psychopaths, whether I have something in common with them or not.

But I have a strong aversion to to bigoted, conscience-free people, and I can stand all the boredom their absence brings to my life.

rl

You really do seem to have a thing about bigoted people and sociopaths. I can relate to not wanting to be around sociopaths. I've been around my share and think avoiding them is a good thing.

Your strong aversion to bigoted people continues to mystify me, though. Personally, I see everyone as having their own set of prejudices and I'm ok with that. I guess its just a matter of individual taste.

You don't like bigoted people; some don't like Japanese people. I'm fine with both. Occasionally, I get the idea that some people don't like me. I'm ok with that too.

Conceptually, I see little difference between someone having a dislike of Chinese food and a dislike of Chinese culture. Or a dislike of my cooking vs. a dislike of my culture (or lack thereof).

I'm ok with all of it. It's a big world with room for all sorts of views.

Walt

[kallend 2,106]

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So the Vikings invaded Planet Mongo too?

Why do you think we're so keen on galactic domination?

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[artistcalledian 0]

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You really do seem to have a thing about bigoted people and sociopaths.

the phrase "stuck record" springs to mind

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[RhondaLea 4]

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You really do seem to have a thing about bigoted people and sociopaths. I can relate to not wanting to be around sociopaths. I've been around my share and think avoiding them is a good thing.

Your strong aversion to bigoted people continues to mystify me, though.

Think about what you wrote, Walt.

It's okay for other people to have their set of prejudices, but my particular set mystifies you?

I'm not prejudiced against entire groups based on the inborn characteristics of that group. I'm not even prejudiced for or against a particular religion.

I am, however, extremely judgmental about the individual members of those groups who judge others based on inborn characteristics or their religion or lack thereof. (For the record, I consider one's sexuality to be inborn.)

It is merely a matter of self-preservation to avoid psychopaths at all cost. Ask anyone in the criminal justice system or the mental health profession, and they'll tell you the same thing.

But here's what I'm really judgmental about: people who believe that they have the right to control others who do not meet with their approval, when those others are doing no harm to anyone, by word or deed.

I can't stop anyone from expressing whatever asinine (in my opinion) point of view they may hold, but I can choose to not associate with people who hold asinine (in my opinion) points of view. I can also let them know exactly what I think of their asinine (in my opinion) points of view when I'm given the opportunity.

"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good people remain silent and do nothing." ~ Edmund Burke

rl

If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

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I like you too, even though there are times I'd like to beat you with a stick.

When are you free? I love to be beaten with sticks!!!!

And you know i get on your nerves worse than Walt! Right????

All BS, you are very intelligent, and you do keep me in line. Don't hesitate to PM me and tell me to STFU!

-Richard-
"You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall"

[waltappel 1]

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I am, however, extremely judgmental about the individual members of those groups who judge others based on inborn characteristics or their religion or lack thereof. (For the record, I consider one's sexuality to be inborn.)

I should have been more explicit. It's the the depth of your feeling that mystifies me. Not many things get me stirred up. Prejudice, which I consider to be a very human response to living in the world we live in, is a real yawn to me. I accept what you say and believe it to be absolutely honest. I just can't personally relate to it, though.

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It is merely a matter of self-preservation to avoid psychopaths at all cost. Ask anyone in the criminal justice system or the mental health profession, and they'll tell you the same thing.

I was a mental health professional for a while. (yes, I do see the irony in that.) I worked with some pretty dangerous people. I came out of there wanting to never see a chronically severely mentally ill person again. Medicine has made enormous advances in other areas, but mental illness remains largely a hopeless field. I agree with you 100% about staying away from crazy people--it's just not an opinion I hear a lot of people state.

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But here's what I'm really judgmental about: people who believe that they have the right to control others who do not meet with their approval, when those others are doing no harm to anyone, by word or deed.

I can't stop anyone from expressing whatever asinine (in my opinion) point of view they may hold, but I can choose to not associate with people who hold asinine (in my opinion) points of view. I can also let them know exactly what I think of their asinine (in my opinion) points of view when I'm given the opportunity.

"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good people remain silent and do nothing." ~ Edmund Burke

rl

Note to self: don't piss rl off.

Walt

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I was a mental health professional for a while. (yes, I do see the irony in that.) I worked with some pretty dangerous people. I came out of there wanting to never see a chronically severely mentally ill person again. Medicine has made enormous advances in other areas, but mental illness remains largely a hopeless field. I agree with you 100% about staying away from crazy people--it's just not an opinion I hear a lot of people state.

In this we differ. I know/have known quite a few mentally ill people, and I have no issue. Most of them are/were friends of mine.

A psychopath, by definition, is not mentally ill.

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Note to self: don't piss rl off.

I've known you for about 11 years, Walt. There's a lot about which we don't agree and some about which we do. It's never mattered before, so I can't imagine it's going to matter next week, next month, next year.

rl

If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb