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We have lost cabin pressure.



No shit. It's like the postings get translated to a different language 3 times before he reads them. We can't possibly be having the same conversation.

But apparently pointing out the difference between sex and procreation really offended him, and he'll no longer talk to me.

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Even protected sex with a woman is the act of procreation, however it is against the church t do so.



I've never seen a definition of procreation that doesn't involve offspring, and only 25% of the country pretends to listen to Rome on matters of sex.

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Just stop with the hypotheticals, you don't have a leg to stand on, your just fishing for a personal attack. Please don't think in some way you are GOD and can change things. This is a moot point. A fucking condom, dosen't make you GOD. Sperm vs. egg equals children. period. How are gay people supposed to do that?



I haven't the slightest idea what to say here. I merely asked how I could be anything but a virgin with your wacko definition of sex=procreation. You made up that definition to exclude gays somehow, but seems to exclude me too.

But truth be told, sex by any other name is still just as fucking sweet.

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We have lost cabin pressure.



No shit. It's like the postings get translated to a different language 3 times before he reads them. We can't possibly be having the same conversation.

But apparently pointing out the difference between sex and procreation really offended him, and he'll no longer talk to me.



Look at it this way, he's willing to accept oral sex and non-vaginal intercourse and homosexuality as long as we're willing to call the various acts involved "pleasure" instead of "sex."

I'm totally amazed.

rl
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I haven't the slightest idea what to say here. I merely asked how I could be anything but a virgin with your wacko definition of sex=procreation. You made up that definition to exclude gays somehow, but seems to exclude me too.



Nope. He thinks you are gay. He thinks I'm gay too.

I feel a new rendition of the Barney song coming up.

rl
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You are very patient people. I don't have your stamina. As for the definition of sex, I can see how it might come in handy after a wet night out. "No honey, I did not have sex with that woman... or that man" :D
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But apparently pointing out the difference between sex and procreation really offended him, and he'll no longer talk to me.



Go and hijack his creation thread.

Really, he'll appreciate it.
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You seemed to be obsessed with the idea that people who dissagree with your lifestlyle HATE you.



Tolerance <> Approval

Lack of approval <> Intolerance

That's something a lot of gays don't want to get. If they did, it would take a lot of the so-called "gay rights" agenda away, and we couldn't have that, now could we? If everybody got it, there wouldn't be an "oppressed victim of vicious, brutal society", or any poster children (see Jasper, WY incident) anymore.

Riddle me this: say there is a constitutional amendment guaranteeing everything that this tiny, noisy minority wants. All of the special, preferential treatment that is being shrilly demanded is granted by it, and gays by law now have all the adoration they insist is their birthright (after all, they're such fashion-conscious contributors of culture [see Queer-Eye, et al, ad nauseam]) What happens then? What will they demand next?

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Are we really 200 posts into a discussion on the relative merits/pitfalls of being gay?



Apparently so. :S



"I'm gayer than you are!!!

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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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Gay people have to resort to some unethical, man created ways to have children like invetrofertalization or adoption of a child that was created by a man and woman!




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Oh boy...[:/]

Is my wife gonna be PISSED when she finds out that we're both unethical...AND Gay!:o



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Let me guess, you had some pretty confusing dreams as a teenager?



We've been thorough all this before on the forum: There is a militant gay-rights agenda that demands special, preferential treatment, and it's violently intolerant of anything that doesn't kow-tow to the agenda, to the point where any effort to disagree, however slightly and reasonably, with its agenda is immediately shouted down as "INTOLERANCE!"(tm), whereas the majority of us (gays and straights) just want to be left alone.

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I understand how scary those dreams must have been for you at the time, and how deep the shame must burn.

I didnt mention intolerance. You did.

What strikes me as odd is that I havent seen this militant faction of the gay community - are they like ninja? they form flash pressure group mobs and disappear into the ether once they've made their demands?

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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I understand how scary those dreams must have been for you at the time, and how deep the shame must burn.

I didnt mention intolerance. You did.

What strikes me as odd is that I havent seen this militant faction of the gay community - are they like ninja? they form flash pressure group mobs and disappear into the ether once they've made their demands?



First of all, I don't appreciate the personal attack masked within a patronizing statement.

And it appears that you haven't been around in the past 20 years to see demonstrations in front of the White House during the Reagan (and oddly enough) Clinton administrations.

And unlike you, I'm criticizing ideas, not individuals.

Respectfully,

mh
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What happens then? What will they demand next?



And why wouldn't others demand to be treated differently. Polygamists, incestuous relationships...

After all, if two adults that are related to each other want to be married, why should anyone object? And shouldn't they be allowed to adopt children. I know that some will say they don't object, but I don't think this is a widely held opinion. Especially if there is no chance of children affected by inbreading. Why shouldn't a dad be allowed to marry his son of adult age? What goes on in someone's bedroom is not our business, right? Polygamist rights are very similar.

If you found out that a male friend's lover was his dad, would you think worse of that friend? Why is that worse than just finding out that they are gay?

Some will say that because this is not a common occurrence/people are not widely campaigning for this 'right', it is not a relevant/valid comparison. But I think it is a logical extension of gay rights.

If you don't approve of polygamy or incest, then you must be intolerant and some sort of 'phobe, right?
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Not really a personal attack, more a little ribbing. No need to be emotional about it. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, I didnt realize it would be a sensitive subject.

And you're right. I missed the 10s of thousands of rabid gays vehemently rioting outside of the white house.

I'm not criticizing anyone, I'm asking about the existence of the rabid pressure groups you're describing.

You didnt answer my question: are they ninjas? are they like Gideons, except instead of Bibles they leave position statements and petitions filled with signatures?

I just mention it because it's something I think I might notice on an every day level.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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The disproportionate right they want is the general recognition that their love is as valid, and as acceptable, as anyone else's.

Once that happens, a whole lot of other things won't be issues any more.

What does "recognizing that love" mean? Well, I don't know first-hand, but I'd imagine that being able to walk down any street hand-in-hand, being able to kiss discreetly in public, being able to suck face and have it thought only mildly inappropriate, having love stories that involve gay characters not be porno, having the ability to formalize a relationship and have that be recognized by the social structure -- those would be a start.

Those are all things that we take for granted in the US, as long as we love someone of the opposite gender. We don't have to worry about where we are, we don't have to look or think twice. It's a matter of politeness and nothing else, if you're in a heterosexual relationship.

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dont be silly, they want us all to be second class citizens serving them drinks in their gay bohemian nightclubs and those of us (like me) who are good looking and male will have our buttocks used as a place to snort their cocaine from (because they're all on drugs) ...while they eat whale flesh and torture baby seals for their perverted amusement. They probably do something wasteful with non-replenishable energy resources that I shudder at imagining.

I've read stuff on the internet. I know what the agenda really is.

Like little pink ninja they are. Bastards!

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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those of us (like me) who are good looking and male will have our buttocks used as a place to snort their cocaine from

Man -- maybe I should be gay.

Is your ass hard enough that I can use a razor blade to cut the lines?

Wendy W.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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How silly of me not to realise that homosexuality and incest are intrinsically linked. I really must pay more attention to the world around me.

Let me guess, it all started when they legalised sex outside of marriage, right?
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You seemed to be obsessed with the idea that people who dissagree with your lifestlyle HATE you.



Tolerance <> Approval

Lack of approval <> Intolerance

That's something a lot of gays don't want to get.



It's you who does not get it.

I'm not gay, but I can speak as someone who makes certain choices of which others do not approve. I don't need your approval. Just don't interfere in the way I live my life. That's all. Just mind your own business, and don't pass any legislation that prevents me from doing things that have no effect on you.


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If they did, it would take a lot of the so-called "gay rights" agenda away, and we couldn't have that, now could we? If everybody got it, there wouldn't be an "oppressed victim of vicious, brutal society", or any poster children (see Jasper, WY incident) anymore.



You can write off Matthew Shepard as a "poster child"? With a straight face?

You've contradicted your own point, Mark, whether you realize it or not. Tolerance is not approval. Tolerance is minding your own fucking business and allowing others to live as they choose without your interference. Matthew Shepard not only did not get to live as he chose, he didn't even get to live.


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Riddle me this: say there is a constitutional amendment guaranteeing everything that this tiny, noisy minority wants. All of the special, preferential treatment that is being shrilly demanded is granted by it, and gays by law now have all the adoration they insist is their birthright (after all, they're such fashion-conscious contributors of culture [see Queer-Eye, et al, ad nauseam]) What happens then? What will they demand next?

mh



Being treated like every other lawful citizen of this country is not preferential treatment.

Using colorful and emotive language and more than a couple of fallacies doesn't make your point, btw, but it does make you appear to have an axe to grind.

So here's what I want you to do: substitute "skydiver" or "basejumper" for "gay." And then tell me if you want imposed on you the restrictions you would impose on someone else. Tell me if what you want is approval or just to be left alone to do as you will.

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