Brokeback mountain...

[labrys 0]

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not sure what their being denied that can't be resolved by a will, power of attorney, joint bank accounts and listing their partner or partners as Benificiaries on investments and such.

I've posted this before, but it seemed fitting here too.

Here are a few of the 1,049 benefits the United States government provides to couples in a heterosexual marriage:

Access to Military Stores
Assumption of Spouse’s Pension
Bereavement Leave
Immigration
Insurance Breaks
Medical Decisions on Behalf of Partner
Sick Leave to Care for Partner
Social Security Survivor Benefits
Tax Breaks
Veteran’s Discounts
Visitation of Partner in Hospital or Prison

Here are a few of the state level benefits within the United States:


Assumption of Spouse’s Pension
Automatic Inheritance
Automatic Housing Lease Transfer
Bereavement Leave
Burial Determination
Child Custody
Crime Victim’s Recovery Benefits
Divorce Protections
Domestic Violence Protection
Exemption from Property Tax on Partner’s Death
Immunity from Testifying Against Spouse
Insurance Breaks
Joint Adoption and Foster Care
Joint Bankruptcy
Joint Parenting (Insurance Coverage, School Records)
Medical Decisions on Behalf of Partner
Certain Property Rights
Reduced Rate Memberships
Sick Leave to Care for Partner
Visitation of Partner’s Children
Visitation of Partner in Hospital or Prison
Wrongful Death (Loss of Consort) Benefits

Owned by Remi #?

[RhondaLea 4]

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Here are a few of the 1,049 benefits the United States government provides to couples in a heterosexual marriage:

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Here are a few of the state level benefits within the United States:

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The disparity is a whole lot more annoying when you put it in list form.

How can we, as a country, be so unenlightened?

rl

If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

[beowulf 1]

"the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few"

That is what a democratic society is all about.

[RhondaLea 4]

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"the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few"

That is what a democratic society is all about.

Star Trek fan, eh?

If supplying the needs of the few does not infringe on the rights of the many, what's the point of withholding except for pure meanness?

Edited to add: "Democracy: Three wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner."

rl

If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

[AlexCrowley 0]

I'm going to be pushing for a amendment that bans star trek geeks from marriage and breeding. Ever.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[beowulf 1]

I think it is more indifference to their needs not necessarily meanness. Why would I want to support something that I don't care about and also find repulsive?

[RhondaLea 4]

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I think it is more indifference to their needs not necessarily meanness. Why would I want to support something that I don't care about and also find repulsive?

Because you might need their support for something that they don't care about and also find repulsive?

Even if someone is a totally self-centered person, enlightened self-interest dictates taking into account how one might benefit from the support of those who actually vote.

Remember, you're relying on the rest of us to make your choices for you. It would pay to be nice.

rl

If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

[AlexCrowley 0]

Dont care about and find repulsive?

Dude, there's a great deal in the world that I would consider that an accurate description of my feelings.

Unfortunately i find myself in a minority so it's unlikely I'll be able to do anything constructive with it. So, I could sound like a moron online or I could simpy let it go.

There's so many better ways to act like a moron online - and I'm good at all of them.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[beowulf 1]

Thats nice. It's always good to know you are good at something.

[labrys 0]

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"the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few"

An I'm supposed to get a warm fuzzy knowing that my federal, state, and school tax dollars and probably my social security savings are being used to encourage this attitude?

Owned by Remi #?

[beowulf 1]

umm no I wouldn't have any warm and fuzzy feelings about that. It's just an observation. If all decisions are done by voting then the most popular decisions are the ones that are made. That doesn't mean they are correct. Just means they were presented in the most appealing way. Just like the president happened to present himself in a more appealing manner then his opponent. At least he appealed to a greater number of people. Is this right? Is it the best way to do things? I think it leaves a lot to be desired. It makes it diffucult for any leader to make the hard but necessary decisions for the betterment of the entire country.

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Here are a few of the 1,049 benefits the United States government provides to couples in a heterosexual marriage:

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Here are a few of the state level benefits within the United States:

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um, not to nitpick, but it seems to me that many of those benefits apply only to EMPLOYEES of the state/federal government.

Some of the other benefits apply to all married citizens.

IMHO they should be kept on seperate lists, since one is a legal right and the other is a benefit from an employer.

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[rasmack 0]

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I'm going to be pushing for a amendment that bans star trek geeks from marriage and breeding. Ever.

Couldn't agree more...

HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227
“I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.”
- Not quite Oscar Wilde...

[SpeedRacer 1]

fuck everyone who hates Star Trek.

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[shropshire 0]

Trekers would like to know what it's like to have sex in zero gravity......







Trekies just want to know what it's like to have sex.



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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Skyrad 0]

Haven't seen it, not going to see it. What people do behind their own doors is upto them but I have no desire to watch a film of two men kissing. I'm not homophobic but why would I want to watch a film about homosexual cowboys? What hetrosexual man would?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Skyrad 0]

That myth about the Prostate is just that, following discussions with neurologists and a couple of Urologists they all came to the conclusion that it has the wrong kind of nervous supply for the whole pleasure trip. Anyone getting off on that is just buying into the myth and any pleasure derived is psychological.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[RhondaLea 4]

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Haven't seen it, not going to see it. What people do behind their own doors is upto them but I have no desire to watch a film of two men kissing. I'm not homophobic but why would I want to watch a film about homosexual cowboys? What hetrosexual man would?

If you go to the movies for the sexual stimulation, I suppose it wouldn't be a big attraction to a committed heterosexual such as yourself, but most of the rest of us go for the story line.

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That myth about the Prostate is just that, following discussions with neurologists and a couple of Urologists they all came to the conclusion that it has the wrong kind of nervous supply for the whole pleasure trip. Anyone getting off on that is just buying into the myth and any pleasure derived is psychological.

They should definitely publish. It will be a revolutionary work.

rl

If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

[SkyDaemon 0]

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Haven't seen it, not going to see it. What people do behind their own doors is upto them but I have no desire to watch a film of two men kissing. I'm not homophobic but why would I want to watch a film about homosexual cowboys? What hetrosexual man would?

Even though I haven't seen it, I suspect the movie isn't simply closeups of two men kissing.

And we gay men have been known -- occasionally -- to watch a movie even if there's a heterosexual character in it. I guess we don't stereotype entertainment based on the orientation of the characters quite as much.

Edited to add: Oops. This post by narcimund on my guy's computer. Forgot to logout and re-login.

find / -name jumpers -print; cat jumpers $USER > manifest; cd /dev/airplane; more altitude; make jump; cd /pub; more beer;

[RhondaLea 4]

I was wondering what had possessed Raistlin to get involved in this thread.

What gets me is that "I am not a homophobe" always ends with ", but...."

Even though I know what's coming next, it still amazes me.

rl

If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

[jakee 1,563]

I am not a homophobe, but interior design just doesn't push my buttons





(I know, I'm predictable)

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[labrys 0]

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um, not to nitpick, but it seems to me that many of those benefits apply only to EMPLOYEES of the state/federal government.

Some of the other benefits apply to all married citizens.

IMHO they should be kept on seperate lists, since one is a legal right and the other is a benefit from an employer.

How 'bout we take them ofF the list when gay tax dollars stop helping to fund them?

Edit for spelling

Owned by Remi #?

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hitler said this: it isno matter whether ornot the individual jew is decent or not. he possosses certain characteristics given to him by nature, and he can never rid himself of these characteristcs. the jew is harmful to us. my feeling as a christian leads me to be a fighter for MY lord and saviour. it leads me to be a man who at one time lonely and with only a few followers, recognised the jews for what they were and called on men to fight against them. as a christian i owe something to my people. pope leo X said this, what profit has not the FABLE of christ brought us.

we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively


wishers never choose, choosers never wish

[Skyrad 0]

I'm not a homophobe but..I'm still not going to see this film as it doesn't sound like a film I'd like to watch. I'm not a homophobe but I have just finished reading 'Tamburlaine must die' I'm not a homophobe but I am a witness at my sisters gay wedding in a couple of weeks. It must be terrible to be so all knowing as you, imagine never being suprised. I guess us hetrosexual men are not the only ones good at stereotyping.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[waltappel 1]

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I'm not a homophobe but..I'm still not going to see this film as it doesn't sound like a film I'd like to watch. I'm not a homophobe but I have just finished reading 'Tamburlaine must die' I'm not a homophobe but I am a witness at my sisters gay wedding in a couple of weeks. It must be terrible to be so all knowing as you, imagine never being suprised. I guess us hetrosexual men are not the only ones good at stereotyping.

Face it--most straight men (at least in the US) are not all that accepting of gay men. I think rl's point was that most sentences that start out with "I'm not a homophobe, but...", could probably be shortened to, "I'm a homophobe".

Personally, I'd rather hear whatever someone really thinks without the excuses or sugar coating.

I think it's ok to not like anyone for any arbitrary reason there is, including sexual orientation.

I don't have it in for gay men, but for those who do, I'd rather hear them come right out and say it without apology.

Walt