jeiber 0 #76 December 20, 2005 Quoteyou seem to denigrate anyone who actually did serve... I was enlisted in the US Army for 8 years (4 active duty); however this isn't the forum for my resume. Each branch picks on the other. Deal with it. When it comes down to it, we're all brothers in arms. Now, after that 'how fucking sad' tirade, who is it that's being anal retentive? I put the smily faces in there for a reason.... relax. QuoteBush's family holdings... Details please. Which holdings? QuoteCheney's ties with Hallibutron.. you know the company that keeps cooking the books is swilling in corruption.... Didn't Clinton use Haliburton in Bosnia, Haiti, and others? Maybe they were awarded contracts due to their experience and stability as a company. It's not like there are companies like Haliburton on every street corner, begging for the business. It's a pretty specialized market - I wouldn't imagine there are a whole lot of players trying to compete. I'm sure the IRS is spending many dollars investigating your accusations of cooking the books. If there's any truth to it, people will be going to jail, and rightfully so. QuoteAlmost to a man they are Chickenhawks.. Wow, the entire administration really only consists of six people. Such an unbiased biography, I'm impressed.... What is it you said? QuoteJust like your administration.... you seem to denigrate anyone who actually did serve... and what is it that link you posted does to Rumsfeld's military career? They criticize him for not dropping out of the military academy and enlisting. That's brilliant... If we empty the military academies and ROTC, where is it that we're supposed to get our officers from again? I get it, only cadets that are going to hold political office are expected to do that.... JeffShhh... you hear that sound? That's the sound of nobody caring! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeiber 0 #77 December 20, 2005 QuoteIt's already happening in several cities in Illinois. Also in NYC, Tampa, LA, West Palm Beach, Baltimore, San Diego (those are just the ones I know about). Great, isn't it? [sarcasm]Are you kidding? That's horrible! If I walk down a public street, I want my privacy dammit! If I get mugged, I certainly don't want the cops to see it, how embarassing! Besides, it's not like video is actually useful in prosecuting criminals.[/sarcasm] JShhh... you hear that sound? That's the sound of nobody caring! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #78 December 20, 2005 Quote http://www.rense.com/general14/bushsformer.htm If you do business with terrorists, if you support or succor them, you will not do business with the United States," said President Bush. He didn't say anything about doing business with a terrorist's brother - or his wealthy financier. President Bush certainly is aware of that his former Saudi sugar daddy is still financing Osama bin Laden's terrorist network. USA Today newspaper reported in 1999 that a year after bin Laden's attacks on US embassies in Africa, Khaled bin Mahfouz and other wealthy Saudis were funneling tens of millions of dollars each year into bin Laden's bank accounts. Five top Saudi businessmen ordered the National Commercial Bank to transfer personal funds and $3 million pilfered from a Saudi pension fund to the Capitol Trust Bank in New York City. The money was deposited into the Islamic Relief and Bless Relief - Islamic charities operating in the US and Great Britain as fronts for Osama bin Laden. Quote http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/ The site is resplendent with abuses of contracts.. that Halliburton did not have to bid for even... ripping off the American People... good stuff... just what President Eisenhower warned of... the Military Industrial Complex( He knew it all too well) This Admisistration just jumps in bed with them and keeps it as secret as they can get away with. CHENEY THE FLIP FLOP KING Cheney recently reminded America that, “These are not times for leaders who shift with the political winds, saying one thing one day and another, the next.” FLIP.... "Government spends a lot of money, but it doesn't build factories .... The key to more jobs is not more government, but free enterprise" -- Dick Cheney FLOP.... Halliburton took $7.8 billion in U.S. taxpayer assistance since 1992 to grow its company -- and that doesn't include money from the Pentagon. FLIP.... “And one of the best ways to encourage stock ownership is to make sure that pension plans give workers better information, and treat them fairly.” -- Dick Cheney FLOP.... While CEO of Halliburton, Dick Cheney took advantage of a legal loophole that robbed $25 million from the pensions of Halliburton's workers. Nine months later the company gave Cheney a $20 million pension. Experts call it "scandalous." FLIP.... "And since I left Halliburton to become George Bush's vice president, I've severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interest. I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven't had, now, for over three years." -- Dick Cheney FLOP.... As vice president, Cheney continues to receive a salary of over $150,000 each year from Halliburton while maintaining 433,333 shares of unexercised stock options in the company. FLIP.... "We are going after the terrorists wherever they plot and plan." -- Dick Cheney FLOP.... "We'd be better off if we, in fact, backed off those sanctions [on Iran]," said Cheney when he was CEO for Halliburton. President Bush says Iran sponsors terrorism. Halliburton sales to Iran totalled $63 million in 2003. FLIP.... "I have absolutely no influence of, involvement of, knowledge of in any way, shape or form of contracts led by the [Army] Corps of Engineers or anybody else in the Federal Government." -- Dick Cheney FLOP.... Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, was briefed in October 2002 about a proposal to give contract work to Halliburton's KBR unit for extinguishing oil well fires in Iraq. Moreover, an internal Pentagon e-mail proves that a $7 billion no-bid contract awarded to Halliburton on March 8, 2003 was "coordinated" with Cheney's office. Pentagon officials admitted that Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith discussed the March 2003 Halliburton contract in advance with Cheney's office. FLIP.... “I can tell you that the government had absolutely nothing to do with it,” Cheney said in answer to questions about his exorbitant personal wealth earned from Halliburton. FLOP.... The value of Halliburton's government contracts increased by nearly 100 percent, from $1.2 billion to $2.3 billion, during Cheney's tenure as CEO. Guaranteed and direct loans from government lenders increased over one thousand percent, from $100 million to $1.5 billion. FLIP.... "We [Halliburton] have not done any business in Iraq since U.N. sanctions were imposed on Iraq in 1990, and I had a standing policy that I wouldn't do that." -- Dick Cheney FLOP.... Halliburton sold more than $73 million in oil production equipment and spare parts to Iraq from the first half of 1997 through the summer of 2000 -- while Cheney was chairman and CEO of the company. FLIP.... "I think if we were going to remove Saddam Hussein [in 1991] we would have had to go all the way to Baghdad, we would have to commit a lot of force .... then we'd have had to put another government in its place .... it would have been a mistake for us to get bogged down in the quagmire inside Iraq." -- Dick Cheney FLOP.... ”Our soldiers and Marines raced to Baghdad [in 2003] across 350 miles of hostile terrain in one of the fastest advances in history.” – Dick Cheney FLIP.... "And we believe he [Saddam Hussein] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." -- Dick Cheney FLOP.... "I did misspeak .... We never had any evidence that he had acquired a nuclear weapon." -- Dick Cheney FLIP.... "There's no doubt that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction. There's no doubt he's amassing them to use .... I think [weapons inspector] David Kay will find more evidence [of weapons of mass destruction] as he goes forward .... It’s a hard task, but I have got great confidence that he can do this." -- Dick Cheney FLOP.... "Let me begin by saying, we were almost all wrong [about weapons of mass destruction], and I certainly include myself here." -- -- Dick Cheney FLOP.... "An official British investigation into two trailers found in northern Iraq has concluded they are not mobile germ warfare labs, as was claimed by Tony Blair and President George Bush, but were for the production of hydrogen to fill artillery balloons, as the Iraqis have continued to insist." -- The Observer FLIP.... It is"pretty well confirmed" that a Sept. 11 hijacker "did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakia last April, several months before the [Sept. 11] attack." -- Dick Cheney FLOP.... "I never said that. Absolutely not ... we've never been able to confirm it or to knock it down. We just don't know." -- Dick Cheney "We do not believe that such a meeting occurred." -- 911 Commission Staff Report FLIP.... "The cost of one attack on 9/11 was far greater than what we’re spending in Iraq." -- Dick Cheney FLOP The City of New York said the 9/11 attacks will cost the city between $83 billion to $95 billion. As of May 2005, Congress has already authorized $300 billion for the Iraq war. FLIP.... "We take seriously the responsibility to be honest and to be civil .... Whatever the issue, we are going to deal with facts and show a decent regard for other points of view." -- Dick Cheney FLOP.... Cheney lacked "civility" when he used profanity on the Senate floor against a political opponent. The vice president said, "Go [expletive] yourself" to a Democratic senator and later refused to apologize for it. He described his profanity as "appropriate" and that he "felt better" after uttering it. QuoteWow, the entire administration really only consists of six people. Such an unbiased biography, I'm impressed.... What is it you said? Uh.. look at the whole site... that is just the top of the poo pile....interesting how many went out of thier way to avoid serving.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #79 December 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteyou seem to denigrate anyone who actually did serve... I was enlisted in the US Army for 8 years (4 active duty); however this isn't the forum for my resume. Each branch picks on the other. Deal with it. When it comes down to it, we're all brothers in arms. Now, after that 'how fucking sad' tirade, who is it that's being anal retentive? I put the smily faces in there for a reason.... relax. [ Cool, See how some who serve in Iraq right now greeted Cheney on Sunday: Cheney Fields Tough Questions From Troops By NEDRA PICKLER Associated Press Writer AL ASAD AIR BASE, Iraq — Facing tough questions from battle-weary troops, Vice President Dick Cheney on Sunday cited signs of progress in Iraq and signaled that force changes could come in 2006. Cheney rode the wave of last week's parliamentary elections during a 10-hour surprise visit to Iraq that aimed to highlight progress at a time when Americans question the mission. Military commanders and top government officials offered glowing reports, but the rank-and-file troops Cheney met did not seem to share their enthusiasm. "From our perspective, we don't see much as far as gains," said Marine Cpl. Bradley Warren, the first to question Cheney in a round-table discussion with about 30 military members. "We're looking at small-picture stuff, not many gains. I was wondering what it looks like from the big side of the mountain — how Iraq's looking." Cheney replied that remarkable progress has been made in the last year and a half. "I think when we look back from 10 years hence, we'll see that the year '05 was in fact a watershed year here in Iraq," the vice president said. "We're getting the job done. It's hard to tell that from watching the news. But I guess we don't pay that much attention to the news." Another Marine, Cpl. R.P. Zapella, asked, "Sir, what are the benefits of doing all this work to get Iraq on its feet?" Cheney said the result could be a democratically elected Iraq that is unified, capable of defending itself and no longer a base for terrorists or a threat to its neighbors. "We believe all that's possible," he said. Although he said that any decision about troop levels will be made by military commanders, Cheney told the troops, "I think you will see changes in our deployment patterns probably within this next year." About 160,000 troops are in Iraq. The administration has said that troop levels are expected to return to a baseline of 138,000 after the elections, but critics of the war have called for a significant drawdown. More than 2,100 troops have died in Iraq since the U.S. invaded in March 2003. The round-table with the vice president came after hundreds of troops had gathered in an aircraft hangar to hear from a mystery guest. When Cheney emerged at the podium, he drew laughs when he deadpanned, "I'm not Jessica Simpson." Shouts of "hooah!" from the audience interrupted Cheney a few times, but mostly the service members listened intently. When he delivered the applause line, "We're in this fight to win. These colors don't run," the only sound was a lone whistle. The skepticism that Cheney faced reflects opinions back home, where most Americans say they do not approve of President Bush's handling of the war. It was unique coming from a military audience, which typically receives administration officials more enthusiastically.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeiber 0 #80 December 21, 2005 Hmmmm. An enlisted (E6) Ranger, getting ready to deploy for his fourth tour, viewed things in Iraq much differently than the press writer. It was about a month ago that I was talking to him. I'm sure opinions vary, depending on who you ask. Quotebut critics of the war have called for a significant drawdown I have to laugh at this 'critics calling for a drawdown'. Well, duh! I'm calling for the sun to rise tomorrow morning! See how influential I am! Ok, back on topic now. JeffShhh... you hear that sound? That's the sound of nobody caring! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #81 December 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteIt's already happening in several cities in Illinois. Also in NYC, Tampa, LA, West Palm Beach, Baltimore, San Diego (those are just the ones I know about). Great, isn't it? [sarcasm]Are you kidding? That's horrible! If I walk down a public street, I want my privacy dammit! If I get mugged, I certainly don't want the cops to see it, how embarassing! Besides, it's not like video is actually useful in prosecuting criminals.[/sarcasm] J I'm surprised you do not emigrate to Red China. Lots of surveillance of the people, very low crime rate.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimemerson 7 #82 December 21, 2005 in response to the original question, "Is George Bush an idiot": Not in the technical sense in that his IQ is actually above the idiot level (what's that? 75 or so?)How much above is a mystery to me. As a non technical evaluation, I'd have to reserve calling him simply an idiot because I'm afraid of offending the real idiots who don't know better, are probably innocent, dear creatures and do not deserve to be categorized along with Bush, who is actually more of a fucking idiot, a non technical term for ass wipes like him. There's a book called "Bush on the Couch" by Justin Frank (I think that's his name) who is a psychoanalyst and has "analyzed" Bush, admittedly from afar and not in person - which he acknowledges is not the best. (Bush is a public person and much of his character and personality are available to us all). This book explains some of the mental incompetencies of "Shrub"which then makes it hard to take him seriously as a President, which of course makes him that much more dangerous, because he is president anyway. Frank is not a Bush lover. This much comes through in the book, I'm sorry to say. (I didn't need his editorializing in a somewhat ostensibly biased way. I hate Bush with a passion but I don't need to be led along. Just give me the facts) Still, it's an interesting read and I reccomend it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeiber 0 #83 December 21, 2005 QuoteI'm surprised you do not emigrate to Red China. Lots of surveillance of the people, very low crime rate. Please.... JeffShhh... you hear that sound? That's the sound of nobody caring! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #84 December 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteI'm surprised you do not emigrate to Red China. Lots of surveillance of the people, very low crime rate. Please.... Jeff Haven't you noticed? Extreme surveillance and spying on the citizens is the hallmark of totalitarian regimes. There was lots of spying on the citizens and little crime in Nazi Germany, the former USSR or its satellites, ditto in N. Korea. These are the models you admire? Speaking for myself, I'd rather have a government that doesn't spy on its citizens unless it can justify it through due process.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #85 December 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThis guy would like nothing better than to place listening devices and cameras in every home. that's a joke, right? Nope. I honestly believe that Bush and his kind are very dangerous. I do not consider him my president and would not go to war nor would I take a bullet for him. I flat out dispise him and his cronies. I think your comments are quite ugly... As an American citizen, you accept the tenents of democracy and accept that sometimes you may not be part of the majority..but with that, your President is whoever is elected into office by the majority/greatest numbers of voters in America..and every 4 years you have the ability to vote him/her out of office to make clear your views. You also have the right to protest and disagree with the Administration's policies. However, whether you like it or not, as long as you are a citizen of the United States, he IS your president. Thats part of what being an American is. Otherwise, you can move to another country and live their good life. Also, i think its very selfish for you to state emphatically that you would not go to war for our country. Think of all the thousands of people that protect our country so that you have the rights and freedoms that you do and so that you can continue to do the things you want to do. And lucky for you, lawmakers rid the U.S. of the mandatory draft, so that you don't have to think beyond your own self and put yourself in harm's way for others. oh.. and by the way.. I didn't vote for Bush and I do not support many of his decisions, but he IS my president and i would go to war if our country needed me. I just find that there are more constructive ways that spouting venom. Open your EYES. I joined up during the Iranian Crisis and spent several months in the IO, only to find later that Reagan and his cronies made deals with the very people we went over there to protect Americans from. By the way, Carter was Prez when I joined. I would not hesitate to protect my Country from an actual enemy. Iraq was not the enemy. In fact, while in the IO we gave air support to Iraq during the Iraq/Iran war. I, however, would not supply my body to this administration as I believe that invading a country that poses no threat is illegal and immoral. The terrorist were not there when they invaded nor were WMD's. The terrorist are there now thanks to GWB. You do not know me and it is obvious that you have a hard time understanding a simple statement "I do not consider him my president and would not go to war nor would I take a bullet for him. I flat out dispise him and his cronies." No where in that did I say that I would not go to war for my country. The war in Iraq does nothing to protect the USA. If you wish to believe the whitewash that this administration uses to justify their wrong doing, go ahead and keep your eyes close. But, if and or when you get hit by the bus, it will be your own fault for crossing the street with your eyes closed."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #86 December 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm surprised you do not emigrate to Red China. Lots of surveillance of the people, very low crime rate. Please.... Jeff Haven't you noticed? Extreme surveillance and spying on the citizens is the hallmark of totalitarian regimes. There was lots of spying on the citizens and little crime in Nazi Germany, the former USSR or its satellites, ditto in N. Korea. These are the models you admire? Speaking for myself, I'd rather have a government that doesn't spy on its citizens unless it can justify it through due process. I am glad that someone elses sees this administration as totalitarian. I seem to get slammed everytime I point that out."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #87 December 21, 2005 Quote I seem to get slammed everytime I point that out. Only by members of the Bush Personality Cult. Every Totalitarian regime has one. Those who have position and power to gain.. or percieve they do. The New Gestapo is still under construction, but will have similar powers to the church during the Inquisition, same people same level of thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #88 December 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteI'm just watching the live press conference right now.. all I am deriving from it is roundabout verbose ways he is avoiding questions & a lot of stammering.. anyone? Ja. Oui. Si. DaDa. since he apparently is now polish, let me add tac Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeiber 0 #89 December 22, 2005 QuoteSpeaking for myself, I'd rather have a government that doesn't spy on its citizens unless it can justify it through due process. I agree. I just don't think cameras on public streets is that big of a deal. Just out of curiousity, do you think we should remove the video cameras from police cars? Due process hasn't been followed, yet... JeffShhh... you hear that sound? That's the sound of nobody caring! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #90 December 22, 2005 QuoteI agree. I just don't think cameras on public streets is that big of a deal. How about if a person physically followed you everywhere you went all day long....would that bother you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #91 December 22, 2005 QuoteHow about if a person physically followed you everywhere you went all day long....would that bother you? Happened in college. Kinda flattering at first, then annoying. She eventually found someone else to bug. What's your point? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeiber 0 #92 December 22, 2005 QuoteHow about if a person physically followed you everywhere you went all day long....would that bother you? Ummm. That's usually considered stalking. Horrible analogy. Come to think of it, while gambling in Vegas, I was under constant surveillance in the casinos. I got off the plane, and cameras in the airport recorded my journey through the airport, to baggage claim, and then all the way to my car in the parking garage. On the way home, I stopped at the bank, and cameras recorded me parking, walking in the door, conducting business, and then leaving. I went to the dropzone and a webcam was feeding streaming video over the internet for everyone to see. On the way home, I bought some gas, and cameras recorded my actions, as well as my license plate and beer purchase. Afterwards, I walked into WalMart, and video camera's were overhead, recording my every move from the parking lot to the checkout lines as I bought condoms. On the way home, traffic cameras mounted over the highways recorded my travels as I exceeded the speed limit. I got pulled over by a cop because my tail light was out, and his cruiser had a camera on the front recording my every move. This morning I walked into work, and cameras recorded me walking in the door and riding the elevator 19 floors to my office. Here's the best part -there are no cameras on the public street between the parking garage and my office building, but it's a shady part of town at night. All of us, especially the ladies, are appreciative that people like you are trying to prevent the city from putting up cameras to protect us, while you conveniently ignore the fact that there are cameras everywhere else we go in our day to day lives. JeffShhh... you hear that sound? That's the sound of nobody caring! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
