Flygurl 0 #151 December 22, 2005 Quote I still won't ever support the level of presence of weapons I see in the US. That's okay... I'll protect you. ________________________________________ "One out of every four American's are suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #152 December 22, 2005 Hehe, is it like skydiving. Youve done it once and whilst scary its kinda thrilling and now your just itching for some other fucker to make a mistake Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #153 December 22, 2005 QuoteQuote I still won't ever support the level of presence of weapons I see in the US. That's okay... I'll protect you. who do you think you are? Dirty Harriette?________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #154 December 22, 2005 QuoteSo you think I was asking for it by being in a bad part of town? Maybe that I was looking for it? Nope...didn't say that at all... QuoteI don't believe that where I was or what I was doing matters. I should be safe wherever I choose to go and whenever I go there. WOW. That was idealistic of me. Of course it matters. The pro gun crowd has been going on for quite some time how they are so strong on situational awareness and everything. QuoteThat aside. No, I don't usually go to that area of town. I was delivering Christmas presents to sponsored families in need. I'll do it again next year and you can bet I'll be carrying. So, basically you would not have done what you did if it wasn't for the fact that you had a gun...I think that was exactly the point I was making earlier. I do have a question for you though. Since in an earlier post you advocated how society would be a lot better if everybody had a gun. How would you have reacted if they pulled a gun first? Or if three of his buddies pulled a gun on you as soon as you reached for yours? I am happy you are okay, but to me a gun should be the same as an AAD. If you wouldn't jump without an AAD maybe you shouldn't jump at all...Similarly, if you need a gun to go into a specific neighbourhood, maybe you should reconsider that as well.... Sounds like you would have saved yourself quite a bit of stress.... Flame away....and Merry Christmas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverborg 0 #155 December 22, 2005 Just when i thought your humor sucked and was very inappropriate, I read your sig line and died lauging. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #156 December 22, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuotethat's right, run red, i'll save you from that crazy madman who tells long ass stories in The Bonfire! back off walt #2 Sorry, Sinker guy--I'm thinkin' Li'l Ms. Red prefers a Glock man--especially a man with 2 Glocks! Walt nice pair of cigarette lighters you've got there Why thankyou. Need a light? Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverborg 0 #157 December 22, 2005 QuoteI am happy you are okay, but to me a gun should be the same as an AAD. Should have left it at that, but instead said, "Hopefully you'll never need it but it is better to have one than not, because you'll never know when you'll need it, no matter how safe you are." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flygurl 0 #158 December 22, 2005 I don't think where I am or what I'm doing should matter. I have the right to defend myself. I'm not a Brit. Quote So, basically you would not have done what you did if it wasn't for the fact that you had a gun...I think that was exactly the point I was making earlier. No. That isn't what I said. I would still participate in the same things as I do now if I didn't have a gun. The good outweighs the bad IMO. If I hadn't had a gun this time, I don't know if I would have been able to participate in the same activity ever again. Quote How would you have reacted if they pulled a gun first? Or if three of his buddies pulled a gun on you as soon as you reached for yours? If he'd pulled a gun first, I would have killed him. The difference between the thugs and me is that I get in a hell of a lot more target practice and have a lot more training. I also believe that the element of surprise is vital in concealed carry. They never saw me reach for a gun and probably wouldn't have expected it from me even if they had. I don't pretend to have all the answers. I'm just happy that I had the ability to protect myself.________________________________________ "One out of every four American's are suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #159 December 22, 2005 ***I don't think where I am or what I'm doing should matter. I have the right to defend myself. I'm not a Brit. Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #160 December 23, 2005 just imagine me with a single finger raised and my head shaking from side to side like some fat arsed black woman (called Lakisha or something) on Ricky Lake________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverborg 0 #161 December 23, 2005 I retract my statement for hopes I don't get stabbed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #162 December 23, 2005 QuoteIf he'd pulled a gun first, I would have killed him. I love how these conversations always come down to bravado..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #163 December 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteIf he'd pulled a gun first, I would have killed him. I love how these conversations always come down to bravado..... you. don't. have. a. clue. this has nothing to do w/ bravado. what a lame attempt for you to excuse kara's argument. i hope you're never in the same situation. it just might not turn out the same for you. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #164 December 23, 2005 Quoteyou. don't. have. a. clue. this has nothing to do w/ bravado. what a lame attempt for you to excuse kara's argument. Her argument is that when she has a gun pointed at her head she is still going to kill him first....in my book that is bravado. By the way, so is posting pictures of one self pointing guns...if you want some one to admire your gun, isn't there a better way of taking the picture? I hope I am never in that situation as well, but then I generally don't make it a habit of walking in the bad areas of town by myself at night. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #165 December 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteIf he'd pulled a gun first, I would have killed him. I love how these conversations always come down to bravado..... Luckily we never have to know. But whether her statement is false bravado or fact, she is safe now because of her actions - her controlled and thought out actions based on her available options. She was in a stressed situation, made a command decision and was able to walk away. I still think she did well and it reflects poorly to criticize what other choices she might have had to make in hypothetical situations. Karen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #166 December 23, 2005 Quoteso is posting pictures of one self pointing guns...if you want some one to admire your gun, isn't there a better way of taking the picture? I took those pictures of myself in a mirror. And they were posted here for Walt in fun. Your assumptions are, once again, hopelessly flawed. QuoteI hope I am never in that situation as well, but then I generally don't make it a habit of walking in the bad areas of town by myself at night. First, she was doing a work of charity, helping those less fortunate, if I remember correctly. Highly admirable. I guess we can't "accuse" you of the same "bad judgement." Second, she got turned around and lost... so you mean to tell me you're immune from getting lost? Give me a fucking break. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #167 December 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf he'd pulled a gun first, I would have killed him. I love how these conversations always come down to bravado..... Luckily we never have to know. But whether her statement is false bravado or fact, she is safe now because of her actions - her controlled and thought out actions based on her available options. She was in a stressed situation, made a command decision and was able to walk away. I still think she did well and it reflects poorly to criticize what other choices she might have had to make in hypothetical situations. Karen i think she should have just slugged it out, toe to toe________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #168 December 23, 2005 QuoteI still think she did well and it reflects poorly to criticize what other choices she might have had to make in hypothetical situations. True, though why can part of the conversation not be that taking a walk in the worst part of town by yourself at night is not the smartest of ideas? The response of, because I think I should be able to is not overly valid. Most accidents and incidents have a chain of events leading up to them. Realizing what that chain is, is one of the better ways to ensure you do not end up in the same incident. I just don't buy the attitude of, I don't care, I'll do whatever I want cause I have a gun and I'll just kill him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #169 December 23, 2005 Quote Her argument is that when she has a gun pointed at her head she is still going to kill him first....in my book that is bravado. Bravado in your book maybe......... In mine,the "mindset" required to come out a winner in a situation "fraught with peril"Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites artistcalledian 0 #170 December 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteso is posting pictures of one self pointing guns...if you want some one to admire your gun, isn't there a better way of taking the picture? I took those pictures of myself in a mirror. And they were posted here for Walt in fun. Your assumptions are, once again, hopelessly flawed. QuoteI hope I am never in that situation as well, but then I generally don't make it a habit of walking in the bad areas of town by myself at night. First, she was doing a work of charity, helping those less fortunate, if I remember correctly. Highly admirable. I guess we can't "accuse" you of the same "bad judgement." Second, she got turned around and lost... so you mean to tell me you're immune from getting lost? Give me a fucking break. i'm on the anti gun side, but even i can appreciate a cool gun, those are cool guns________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #171 December 23, 2005 QuoteFirst, she was doing a work of charity, helping those less fortunate, if I remember correctly. Highly admirable. I guess we can't "accuse" you of the same "bad judgement." Didn't you say something about assumptions earlier in your post...pretty quick case of amnesia....The charities I work with tend to care about their volunteers and do not send them into bad neighbourhoods, at night by themselves.... QuoteSecond, she got turned around and lost... so you mean to tell me you're immune from getting lost? Nope, though I tend not to get out in the bad parts of town to ask for directions. If I absolutely have to, I find a spot where I can stay very close to my car and in open view...not take a hike accross a parking lot to go into a bar. I'll say it again, I am happy she is safe...personally I think she could have been smarter about her actions and possibly not put herself in a life threatening situation...see my post above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #172 December 23, 2005 ya know, it's awful easy for you to armchair quarterback her, even behind your statements of "i'm glad she's fine." bottom line is, neither she NOR you NOR anyone else can account for every eventuality. This situation could have happened to her if she was in a BETTER part of town. Less likely, but still quite possible. How would you be criticising her then? True, one is statistically more likely to get into trouble in a bad part of town, but should that stop people from doing works of charity? hell no... and good on ya for doing charity work, even if those above you only keep you in "safe" areas . I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #173 December 23, 2005 Quotei'm on the anti gun side, but even i can appreciate a cool gun, those are cool guns OMG, Ian, a complement? Are you trying to give me a heart attack for chrissake? I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #174 December 23, 2005 Quoteya know, it's awful easy for you to armchair quarterback her, even behind your statements of "i'm glad she's fine." bottom line is, neither she NOR you NOR anyone else can account for every eventuality. This situation could have happened to her if she was in a BETTER part of town. Less likely, but still quite possible. How would you be criticising her then? I wouldn't, but I would still try and look at the chain of events to see what can be learned from it. Quoteand good on ya for doing charity work, even if those above you only keep you in "safe" areas Not at all, we just don't go alone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #175 December 23, 2005 Dont fall for it... hes just lulling you into a false sense of security! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Next Page 7 of 14 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
artistcalledian 0 #170 December 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteso is posting pictures of one self pointing guns...if you want some one to admire your gun, isn't there a better way of taking the picture? I took those pictures of myself in a mirror. And they were posted here for Walt in fun. Your assumptions are, once again, hopelessly flawed. QuoteI hope I am never in that situation as well, but then I generally don't make it a habit of walking in the bad areas of town by myself at night. First, she was doing a work of charity, helping those less fortunate, if I remember correctly. Highly admirable. I guess we can't "accuse" you of the same "bad judgement." Second, she got turned around and lost... so you mean to tell me you're immune from getting lost? Give me a fucking break. i'm on the anti gun side, but even i can appreciate a cool gun, those are cool guns________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #171 December 23, 2005 QuoteFirst, she was doing a work of charity, helping those less fortunate, if I remember correctly. Highly admirable. I guess we can't "accuse" you of the same "bad judgement." Didn't you say something about assumptions earlier in your post...pretty quick case of amnesia....The charities I work with tend to care about their volunteers and do not send them into bad neighbourhoods, at night by themselves.... QuoteSecond, she got turned around and lost... so you mean to tell me you're immune from getting lost? Nope, though I tend not to get out in the bad parts of town to ask for directions. If I absolutely have to, I find a spot where I can stay very close to my car and in open view...not take a hike accross a parking lot to go into a bar. I'll say it again, I am happy she is safe...personally I think she could have been smarter about her actions and possibly not put herself in a life threatening situation...see my post above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #172 December 23, 2005 ya know, it's awful easy for you to armchair quarterback her, even behind your statements of "i'm glad she's fine." bottom line is, neither she NOR you NOR anyone else can account for every eventuality. This situation could have happened to her if she was in a BETTER part of town. Less likely, but still quite possible. How would you be criticising her then? True, one is statistically more likely to get into trouble in a bad part of town, but should that stop people from doing works of charity? hell no... and good on ya for doing charity work, even if those above you only keep you in "safe" areas . I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #173 December 23, 2005 Quotei'm on the anti gun side, but even i can appreciate a cool gun, those are cool guns OMG, Ian, a complement? Are you trying to give me a heart attack for chrissake? I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #174 December 23, 2005 Quoteya know, it's awful easy for you to armchair quarterback her, even behind your statements of "i'm glad she's fine." bottom line is, neither she NOR you NOR anyone else can account for every eventuality. This situation could have happened to her if she was in a BETTER part of town. Less likely, but still quite possible. How would you be criticising her then? I wouldn't, but I would still try and look at the chain of events to see what can be learned from it. Quoteand good on ya for doing charity work, even if those above you only keep you in "safe" areas Not at all, we just don't go alone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #175 December 23, 2005 Dont fall for it... hes just lulling you into a false sense of security! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
